The Babcocalypse: Babcock to Toronto

[Yemack]

He will quickly restore structure, discipline, and accountability. The Leafs will make the playoffs this year probably at the expense of the Wings.

Toronto is not in it to win alot of games this coming season.

 

[Actual Thought*]

Toronto is not in it to win alot of games this coming season.

We shall see.

 

[PullHard]

He will quickly restore structure, discipline, and accountability. The Leafs will make the playoffs this year probably at the expense of the Wings.

wat.

 

[Syckle78]

Another perk to being Mike Babcock. Quality people want to work under and learn from him. Rookie coaches don't have the same cache. Replacing a coach isn't replacing one person. It tends to upset the apple cart. Normally coaches get fired and the apple cart isn't very good anyway but this is different. The franchise is going to lose a bunch of quality people. Their replacements will be chosen by a rookie.

They aren't losing a bunch of people. They are going to lose two assistant coaches.

 

[Eggberto]

They aren't losing a bunch of people. They are going to lose two assistant coaches.

One of whom created one of if not the most potent powerplays in the league (despite sucking seasons prior), and the other of the two kept the PK in the top 10 of the league for 3/4 of the season. A "bunch" may not accurately capture these losses. "Significant" might.

 

[Pavels Dog]

One of whom created one of if not the most potent powerplays in the league (despite sucking seasons prior), and the other of the two kept the PK in the top 10 of the league for 3/4 of the season. A "bunch" may not accurately capture these losses. "Significant" might.

They are definitely significant losses coming fresh off a season where special teams played a huge part in us being a good team.

 

[DPyro]

Depends on when his contract actually ended, if it is through June 30th, I would push for compensation if I was them.

I assume they can be owed that as it is in place to collect for assistants and other office personnel. So it should be on the table in my opinion, wonder if Custance just leaked something he shouldn't have. They could have waited for his one year deal to expire, but with it being out there for public consumption, I think the Wings are well within their rights to request that.

Only President's, GM's, and head coaches get compensation.
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/482326113964654593
http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/...r-teams-compensated-for-management-losses-too

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

Only President's, GM's, and head coaches get compensation.
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/482326113964654593
http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/...r-teams-compensated-for-management-losses-too

That is confusing since a big reason for this push from Detroit was Yzerman and Nill...

I mean they were vice presidents... So maybe they count. But if this is the case that is a lot less inclusive in terms of who garners returns than I thought. They also made a big deal out of losing McLellan and MacLean for nothing...

Okay they were hockey ops, you left that out in terms of the quick rundown, but I do see it once I clicked on the links.

 

[SoupNazi]

He will quickly restore structure, discipline, and accountability. The Leafs will make the playoffs this year probably at the expense of the Wings.

Yeah, right. There's very little chance of that.

 

[Cyborg Yzerberg]

Yeah, right. There's very little chance of that.

Unless Toronto completes a total overhaul of the roster, I don't think making the playoffs is out of the question. This year was rather anomalous, their roster is really a bubble team. Babcock does good things with underwhelming rosters. Could be a dark horse wild card team.(I don't think they'll make the playoffs, but they could)

 

[Chandler55]

Unless Toronto completes a total overhaul of the roster, I don't think making the playoffs is out of the question. This year was rather anomalous, their roster is really a bubble team. Babcock does good things with underwhelming rosters. Could be a dark horse wild card team.(I don't think they'll make the playoffs, but they could)

yeah I dont think their last season was a good indicator, they clearly mailed it in. were they losing games on purpose? no, but were they giving 100% every night? no way

 

[SpookyTsuki]

Jim Hiller? 3rd round pick? Thats not going to happen. Maybe a Sixth or Seventh

Granato would be a 5th round pick. but it's not let Teams are asking for them so..

 

[SpookyTsuki]

yeah I dont think their last season was a good indicator, they clearly mailed it in. were they losing games on purpose? no, but were they giving 100% every night? no way

YYeah well Babcock is going to make sure most of them give 100% thats not named Kessel or Phanuef

So leaf fans better hope they gave 100% and just suck. Otherwise they wil be where Detroit is. Barely making the playoffs leaving the 1st/2nd round. Stuck in that loop until Babcock is gone

 

[Heaton]

Jim Hiller? 3rd round pick? Thats not going to happen. Maybe a Sixth or Seventh

Granato would be a 5th round pick. but it's not let Teams are asking for them so..

...That's not how it works. Assistant coaches get no compensation and the only compensation you can get is a 3rd rounder in the offseason or 2nd rounder during the season.

 

[SpookyTsuki]

Montreal Boston (unless they retool) Even Florida and Detroit are better then Toronto. On paper and on the ice. same with NYI/NYR/wsh/CBJ heck maybe even philly.

 

[SpookyTsuki]

...That's not how it works. Assistant coaches get no compensation and the only compensation you can get is a 3rd rounder in the offseason or 2nd rounder during the season.

I just thought that Holland chose what was what. I didnt even know that we would get a 3rd for Babcock when he was leaving until Holland said it.

 

[Fugu]

Do you think Holland came to the consensus that Ericsson was good enough to be on a top pairing? Or he just couldn't find the right deal in free agency to replace him? I'm not even convinced had we gotten Niskanen or Stralman that they would've played with Kronwall.

I don't see Ericsson as being good enough to be on a top pairing, and maybe Kenny should have been more aggressive than he was. It always looks a bit different in the rear view mirror though.

 

[Fugu]

Here's how the draft compensation works:

• Only three positions that warrant compensation: president of hockey operations, general manager, head coach
• The compensation for hiring any of those three (if they’re still under contract) is a third-round pick in the offseason or a second-round in-season
• For the coach, his offseason begins when his current team's season ends. For a GM or president of hockey ops, the offseason begins only after the draft in June.

It's for the position in which you're hired, not from whence you came.

 

[Actual Thought*]

Yeah, right. There's very little chance of that.

Babcock doesn't miss the playoffs. This league is a watered down parity league. He will easily squeeze 15 more wins out of them. That much is a virtual certainty.

 

[Actual Thought*]

Montreal Boston (unless they retool) Even Florida and Detroit are better then Toronto. On paper and on the ice. same with NYI/NYR/wsh/CBJ heck maybe even philly.

Montreal Boston (unless they retool) Even Florida and Detroit were better then Toronto. On paper and on the ice. same with NYI/NYR/wsh/CBJ heck maybe even philly.

 

[Daisy Jane]

never mind it was answered

watching the press conference with the Detroit Media, it is very obvious that Babcock truly respected and cherished his time with y'all, and I do wish you luck with Blashill (or whomever you hire)

 

[SoupNazi]

Babcock doesn't miss the playoffs. This league is a watered down parity league. He will easily squeeze 15 more wins out of them. That much is a virtual certainty.

Right. A different coach would squeeze 15 more wins out of the same talent.

Maybe a couple, but 15? What talent upgrades did they get yesterday to help Babcock out? Did I miss them adding a couple of superstars?

And hey...there's a first time for everything, including Babcock missing the playoffs.

 

[SpookyTsuki]

Montreal Boston (unless they retool) Even Florida and Detroit were better then Toronto. On paper and on the ice. same with NYI/NYR/wsh/CBJ heck maybe even philly.
There I fixed that for you.

Montreal is better then Toronto. Unless they hire some dumb coach. and messes everything up

Boston same thing. Toronto MIGHT do better then Florida. I dont see it though.

Detroit is miles ahead of Toronto. They still got Datsyuk and Zetterberg. 30 goal scorers (pretty much) in Nyquist and Tatar. They got a Mrazek/Howard tandem. I dont see both of them sucking. and our Dfence isnt THAT bad. just need a top 2.

Also. Babcock does miss the playoffs (see 2nd year of Anaheim :p)

Even so. If they do keep making the playoffs. It just helps us out. They are not a contending team with that roster no matter how you slice it and then its just haulting the rebuild. and Being where Detroit is now. Not passing round 1/2

 

[SpookyTsuki]

New york is beating Tampa 3 to 1 right now.

I wonder if Tampa doesnt win a cup if Stamkos truly wants to go to that City called Toronto and play under Babs

 

[Bench]

And hey...there's a first time for everything, including Babcock missing the playoffs.

It wouldn't even be the first time. Are we forgetting he took a 95 point Ducks and turned them into a 76 point Ducks the following year? I guess those 10 wins just slipped away from him somehow.