Anyone who's been paying attention over the years...how comparable are Jesperi Kotkaniemi and Alex Galchenyuk in terms of what their upsides looked like from their draft years? I remember reading some comparisons to Marian Hossa when Galchenyuk was up for his draft year. His injury really muddied where he'd end up being picked though.
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Let's hope both of them end up a bit better than either of those two examples.
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The ineptitude is unreal. This is real life. These guys are cartoon characters living in fantasyland. It's the dumbest group of 50 + year olds to represent a hockey team...ever
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I feel like Galchenyuk definitely got more hype.
I think he was considered to have a higher upside. Lots of talk of him being a #1C and possible franchise type center where I think Kotkaniemi is still only being projected cautiously as a possible #1C.
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Probably old news since I missed the combine but apparently Boqvist had extra meetings (dinner?) with Ottawa, Detroit, Chicago and Washington.
The first three aren't a surprise but still interesting. Guess there's still a good chance he is taken before the Oilers pick.
More interesting to me is Washington. Having an extra meeting (outside the normal interviews) with a kid is more than just doing your due diligence. Are they looking to move up? Boqvist would make some sense for them if they're losing Carlson this summer.
This draft could get wild.
The first three aren't a surprise but still interesting. Guess there's still a good chance he is taken before the Oilers pick.
More interesting to me is Washington. Having an extra meeting (outside the normal interviews) with a kid is more than just doing your due diligence. Are they looking to move up? Boqvist would make some sense for them if they're losing Carlson this summer.
This draft could get wild.
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It isn't quite a consensus - not to mention a consensus doesn't mean that the player evaluation is perfect - this is still a guessing game to a large degree.
With the no. 10 pick I hope the Oilers take whomever they think has the potential to be a serious impact player. I think leaving the draft with Boqvist or Hayton is a win. I'm not as sold on Ty Smith but imagine he'll develop into a decent NHL defender along the lines of Jared Spurgeon. I would rather take Hayton and try to identify solid D prospects in later rounds.
Hayton reminds me of Mark Scheiffele, Ryan Getzlaf, Ryan Kesler and Patrice Bergeron. I also don't think you go wrong taking C early in this draft.
Hayton is among the top 2-4 C on every list (2nd on most behind Kotkaniemi).
Cs taken in the top 15 in recent years
2007: Turris, Gagner, Hamill, Couture, Sutter, Eller (2/6 are top 6 players and 1 is a star)
2008: Stamkos, C. Wilson, Hodgson, Z. Boychuk (pretty weak after Stamkos)
2009: Tavares, Duchene, Schenn, Kadri, Glennie, Holland (4/6 are top 6 and 2/6 are clear busts)
2010: Seguin, Johansen, Burmistrov (2/3 are top 6 players, one bust)
2011: RNH, Huberdeau, Strome, Zibanejad, Scheifele, Couturier, J.T. Miller (6/7 are top 6 players and all are NHLers, no total busts)
2012: Galchenyuk, Grigorenko, Faksa, Girgensons (worst draft in recent memory - Murray went 2nd, Griffin R went 4th, Derrick Pouliot 8th - some solid D went in this draft though - but it's a mixed bag all the way around)
2013: MacKinnon, Barkov, Lindholm, Monahan, Horvat, Wennberg (6/6 are top 6 players and two are stars, no busts)
2014: S. Reinhart, Draisaitl, Bennett, W. Nylander, Larkin (4/5 are top 6 players and two are stars - no busts, although Bennett's getting into that territory)
2015: McDavid, Eichel, D. Strome, Marner, Zacha (Barzal went 16th)
A trend - evaluation of players seems to be improving. The number of busts is trending down significantly over the past few years. If this is a "decent" draft class, I don't think you're going to go wrong taking a highly rated C like Hayton who demonstrates a lot of pro-hockey behaviors already. I also think Cs develop properly for the pro game since they play in all situations in junior
It isn't quite a consensus - not to mention a consensus doesn't mean that the player evaluation is perfect - this is still a guessing game to a large degree.
With the no. 10 pick I hope the Oilers take whomever they think has the potential to be a serious impact player. I think leaving the draft with Boqvist or Hayton is a win. I'm not as sold on Ty Smith but imagine he'll develop into a decent NHL defender along the lines of Jared Spurgeon. I would rather take Hayton and try to identify solid D prospects in later rounds.
Hayton reminds me of Mark Scheiffele, Ryan Getzlaf, Ryan Kesler and Patrice Bergeron. I also don't think you go wrong taking C early in this draft.
Hayton is among the top 2-4 C on every list (2nd on most behind Kotkaniemi).
Cs taken in the top 15 in recent years
2007: Turris, Gagner, Hamill, Couture, Sutter, Eller (2/6 are top 6 players and 1 is a star)
2008: Stamkos, C. Wilson, Hodgson, Z. Boychuk (pretty weak after Stamkos)
2009: Tavares, Duchene, Schenn, Kadri, Glennie, Holland (4/6 are top 6 and 2/6 are clear busts)
2010: Seguin, Johansen, Burmistrov (2/3 are top 6 players, one bust)
2011: RNH, Huberdeau, Strome, Zibanejad, Scheifele, Couturier, J.T. Miller (6/7 are top 6 players and all are NHLers, no total busts)
2012: Galchenyuk, Grigorenko, Faksa, Girgensons (worst draft in recent memory - Murray went 2nd, Griffin R went 4th, Derrick Pouliot 8th - some solid D went in this draft though - but it's a mixed bag all the way around)
2013: MacKinnon, Barkov, Lindholm, Monahan, Horvat, Wennberg (6/6 are top 6 players and two are stars, no busts)
2014: S. Reinhart, Draisaitl, Bennett, W. Nylander, Larkin (4/5 are top 6 players and two are stars - no busts, although Bennett's getting into that territory)
2015: McDavid, Eichel, D. Strome, Marner, Zacha (Barzal went 16th)
A trend - evaluation of players seems to be improving. The number of busts is trending down significantly over the past few years. If this is a "decent" draft class, I don't think you're going to go wrong taking a highly rated C like Hayton who demonstrates a lot of pro-hockey behaviors already. I also think Cs develop properly for the pro game since they play in all situations in junior
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BoldNewLettuce
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The Oilers are full of center and shallow on offensive d. If we take a center not named Kotkaniemi over an offensive d....I dont even know
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I am a little nervous about this draft, actually more than any other.
So many rumours and and such a wild top ten, while teams like Ottawa, Montreal etc, looking to make some noise..
meanwhile Calgary doesn't have a pick in the first 3 rounds, so looking at what they might do.
it's a powder keg, ....and I'm hoping Chia can take advantage, especially with all the heat coming down on him to improve the club after the humiliation of his failed trades.
I wish I could be optimistic.
So many rumours and and such a wild top ten, while teams like Ottawa, Montreal etc, looking to make some noise..
meanwhile Calgary doesn't have a pick in the first 3 rounds, so looking at what they might do.
it's a powder keg, ....and I'm hoping Chia can take advantage, especially with all the heat coming down on him to improve the club after the humiliation of his failed trades.
I wish I could be optimistic.
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Maybe the Oilers trade down to take Smith
To PHI: Lucic & 10th overall
To EDM: Lehtera & 14th overall
Get rid of Lucic and get Smith where people will be slightly less angry.
To PHI: Lucic & 10th overall
To EDM: Lehtera & 14th overall
Get rid of Lucic and get Smith where people will be slightly less angry.
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Yeah, but he's only got one year left, so easier to tolerate in the short term. I mean they could always send him down.
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Chia pet press conference today. My bet is he pumps up Smith, saying they are looking for a character guy with intangibles.
Or Hayton. That's my new worry. There are going to be good players available at 10 and we will pass on them for Smith or Hayton :/
If Boqvist gets taken before 10, I'd be shocked if they passed on whoever falls from the top 9 whether it be Hughes, Wahlstrom, Bouchard or somebody else. Just gotta hope that Boqvist gets taken before us, that would be huge.
I think he will. Edmonton media close to the team keep propping up Smith and Hayton so Dobson or Wahlstrom could be there and I still think they pass.
Shit could you imagine, Wahlstrom and Dobson both at 10 and Edmonton picks Smith leaving them both for the Islanders?
There's no way that happens. The only way they pick Smith, Hayton or a completely off the board player is if Boqvist drops IMO. I don't have a big issue if they like those guys but trade down if you're intent on taking one of them.
With all the shot the Oilers are putting out about Smith I doubt it. I think he is their guy no matter who falls.
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