Prospect Info: The 2014 Draft Thread!
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Was assuming Kempe would have been taken at this point. Obviously if someone else is a steal Lou would go for them instead.
Then again Kempe is a power forward and you never know how they will turn out. We already have one in Motteau would Lou draft another one?
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He sounds like any power forward considering it's a sentence long evaluation. I could also say any smaller skill guy sounds like Tedenby or Bergfors.
My only issue with Bleackley is that, at least at #30, I'd rather see someone taken who has a little less questions about offense. He's unquestionably a "Devils" kind of player, but right now the team needs scoring more than that.
What I like most about the Devils is how, if you're gonna succeed, you have to BECOME a "Devils" player. Pretty much everyone that comes through the system learns to play the right way (if they stick with the team, at least), so I'd rather have prospects with more raw skill and then work on rounding them out. Skill is what our system is missing most.
What I like most about the Devils is how, if you're gonna succeed, you have to BECOME a "Devils" player. Pretty much everyone that comes through the system learns to play the right way (if they stick with the team, at least), so I'd rather have prospects with more raw skill and then work on rounding them out. Skill is what our system is missing most.
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Good find, and it further validates that Conte heads a bottom feeding scouting staff.
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/teams/dr00007066.html
2001: 11 picks/11 strikeouts
2002: 11 picks/11 strikeouts (unless you want to count Cam as a single?)
2003: 7 picks/6 strikeouts, 1 home run (Parise)
2004: 7 picks/ 6 strikeouts, 1 good pick (Zajac)
2005: 7 picks/4 whiffs, 1 good find (Fayne), 2 more NHL players (Bergfors, Fraser) Don't care that we flipped Bergfors for Kovy, it was not a great pick, Oshie picked next.
2006: 8 picks/7 strikeouts, 1 untimely passing (Vasyunov).
2007: 6 picks/5 whiffs, top one caught looking bust (Hoeffel), one decent find in Halischuk
2008: 9 picks/1 big bust (Teddy), 1 home run (Henrique), the rest whiffs (with small chance Burlon becomes useful).
It's too early and unfair to judge his drafts from 2009-on at this point.
http://www.torontosun.com/2014/06/24/the-curious-case-of-controversial-nhl-prospect-joshua-ho-sang
interesting read on ho-sang
interesting read on ho-sang
.....I was thinking it brought more leeway. You're still cherry picking a lot of names which doesn't prove anything and seem overly upset about somebody like Hoeffel who was a late 2nd rounder in a shallow draft.
I wonder where we were picking in those early 2000s It seems as if we didn't have any high picks or something....
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I'm not cherry picking, but providing data to back up my claims.
I don't expect a home run at 57, but, I remember a lot of us at the time saying that Hoeffel was a poor choice.
I also recall Jonathan the Rags fan called Hoeffel a non-NHLer the day of that draft, and he was 100% right.
The guy has limited to subpar skills, just a fast skater.
It's not hard to notice Wayne Simmonds picked 4 slots later.
I could even dig deeper and uncover more Conte first round gaffes such as:
2006: Corrente
2001: Foster
1999: Ahonen
1997: Damphousse
How about our top pick in 2002 @51, Kadeykin, out of hockey within 2 years of being drafted.
Us fans like to moan during games, we want the Devils to ice a better product and to win.
The crux of the 3 out of 4 years issue is our poor drafting records.
Conte must be held accountable.
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Or the fact that they lost two of their best players in two consecutive years. They would have made the playoffs in 10-11 if it wasn't for Maclean.
Kings:
2007: Hickey at 4th overall
2010: Forbort at 15th overall
2011: Gibson at 49th overall
A team whiffing on picks? impossible.
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Yeah, those grand total of zero games Jonathan had seen Hoeffel play at the time really qualified him to reach a judgement on the pick.
This just keeps getting better...
This just keeps getting better...
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Part of the equation, but we have no depth to replace them nor when injuries strike at forward.
Bobby Butler, Matt Anderson, Kostopolous and Dagostini ain't going to cut it at RW.
You would think he would have found some top end talent even by accident in rounds 2-4 more than just 2 or 3 times through all of those drafts.
"According to sources, numerous NHL teams have Ho-Sang on their Do Not Draft List.
And only 18 of 30 teams chose to interview him at the recent NHL Combine — and many came away stunned and disappointed."
oh wow
You should look at other team's draft history. Most picks never play 100 games in the NHL.
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Hoeffel, Rodwell, what's the difference.
Guys with little to no upside at the time they were picked.
More important were the early round whiffs.
I'm hoping Conte reinvented himself starting with the 2009 draft.
I am hopeful that many of our picks will be gems in the rough.
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Let's be honest, the vast majority of posters have never seen these prospects play besides reading an article and maybe watching a highlight reel goal. And even if they did happen to catch a full game or two, they still wouldn't know how to properly evaluate a player.
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I wish the Kings had taken Frazee instead of Quick, but we beat them too it.
All teams have whiffs, Conte just made too many of them over a long stretch.
....yeah. That's cherry picking. I think I've explained the background on Simmonds several times, but I suppose it's not worth the effort to do so again.
You make it seem like your efforts require more than five minutes on hockeydb.
I wasn't a fan of the Corrente pick either, but it's not like the 2nd round of 2006 was full of difference making NHLers. Jeff Petry would have been nice, but not exactly somebody most of us would lose sleep over. Milan Lucic was a tremendous projection pick by the Bruins; Lucic only put up 19 points in 62 WHL games that year. Again, not like the Devils were the only team that missed out.
The Foster pick was a huge whiff, but the Devils were hardly alone in the 2001 Draft in that regard. The way you talk, you make it seem like the Devils are the only team to have never missed on a late first round pick ever.
Of the 30 some odd picks taken after Ahonen, the only guy who could even claim to have an above average NHL career is Jordan Leopold.
Of the 30 some odd picks after Damphousse, the three best guys were Brenden Morrow (would have been nice), Kristian Huselius (readily available on waivers before he became productive), and the immortal Henrik Tallinder.
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I don't know - nor do I care - if Jonathan actually said that about Hoeffel. Point is that if he did it was a complete guess based on absolutely nothing more than hating on a Devils draft pick since he had never ever seen the guy play.
Saying you don't want a certain player in this draft when you've never seen them play outside of some grainy YouTube videos is laughable at best. It's one of the worst parts about HF. Having to hear all the draft experts rip players they've actually never seen.
How foolish the LAK were to draft Bernier AND Lewis before the Flyers got Giroux at 22. Pitt drafting Staal before Backstrom and Toews!!!!!!!
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