The 2013 Double-A Draft Thread

[seventieslord]

If the playoff idea is met with heavy resistance and we don't do it, I could still throw together some feedback for you guys. I need to sort it all out myself too, though. Never really had time to do assassinations, positional rankings, etc so I can't confidently say which areas you guys are above or below average in.

 

[seventieslord]

Come on! Who wants to do this draft right and get some discussion and analysis going via a playoff?

 

[Hedberg]

Come on! Who wants to do this draft right and get some discussion and analysis going via a playoff?

Yeah, we definitely need a playoffs - we shouldn't be able to cancel a playoff unless that was a unanimous decision. I guess a compromise could be teams that wish to opt out could and the rest of us could have a playoff (not ideal, but better than nothing; I do understand the frustration with the simultaneous drafts).

Also, we need to do all-star voting (I'm willing to collect them). I think the all-star teams are perhaps the most valuable tool in evaluating who could move up in future drafts.

 

[seventieslord]

Yeah, we definitely need a playoffs - we shouldn't be able to cancel a playoff unless that was a unanimous decision. I guess a compromise could be teams that wish to opt out could and the rest of us could have a playoff (not ideal, but better than nothing; I do understand the frustration with the simultaneous drafts).

Also, we need to do all-star voting (I'm willing to collect them). I think the all-star teams are perhaps the most valuable tool in evaluating who could move up in future drafts.

agree on both counts.

I think opting out would be a good idea. It sounds like VI checked out, and I am pretty sure Hobnobs and jkrx want no part of it. That said, maybe just have full playoffs and guys can opt out by not participating? At least their lineups get their due analysis that way.

 

[jkrx]

I'm all for doing constructive criticism of various teams if that's something people want.

 

[BubbaBoot]

I wouldn't mind the criticsm. Curious to see evaluations of HoF Euros v average to mediocre NHLers with the occasional or solitary spikes......especially in the single-A draft.

 

[Rob Scuderi]

I was thinking about posting my own attempt at an all-star team to generate some discussion, but if we might do them as a group I'll hold off.

I do have tables with VsX sums I can post though.

Centers according to VsX

Rank||6 year sum
1|Brendan Morrison|365
2|Guy Charron|359
3|Derek Roy|352
4|Jim McFadden|351
5|Murray Armstrong|347
6|Andy McDonald|340
7|Jude Drouin|331
8|Earl Ingarfield|312
9|Brian Bradley|308
10|Gerry Meehan|305
11|Juha Widing|304
12|Mike Sillinger|302
13|Shawn Horcoff|290
14|Carey Wilson|278
15|Larry Popein|273
16|Bill Derlago|272
17|Antoine Vermette|269
18|Jarret Stoll|255
19|Andre Savard|252
19|Don Gallinger|252

Wingers according to VsX

Rank||6 year sum
1|Michael Ryder|348
1|J.P. Dumont|348
3|Eric Vail|332
3|Mariusz Czerkawski|332
3|Alex Frolov|332
6|Pete Horeck|331
7|Derek King|330
8|Jason Blake|328
9|Ales Hemsky|327
10|Tommy Williams|327
11|Joe Pavelski|323
12|Martin Erat|317
13|Jim Fox|314
14|Danny Lewicki|311
15|Bobby Ryan|304
16|Nathan Horton|303
17|Brian Mullen|302
18|Freddy Modin|301
19|George Allen|297
20|Aaron Broten|295
21|Walt Poddubny|294
22|Glenn Brydson|293
23|Adam Brown|291
24|Brent Ashton|289
25|Bob Berry|287
26|Pat Hickey|285
27|Dainius Zubrus|281
28|Floyd Smith|280
29|Jonathan Cheechoo|279
30|Pascal Dupuis|276
31|Eddie Wares|275
32|Jorgen Pettersson|274
33|Real Chevrefils|273
33|Jean-Guy Gendron|273
33|Gary Leeman|273
33|Ken Smith|273
37|Ryane Clowe|271
38|Tom McCarthy|267
39|Andrei Kovalenko|264
40|Mike Corrigan|263

 

[Rob Scuderi]

That says nothing of European and early era forwards obviously, but I did make a table for my bio of Tord Lundstrom of Europeans at the international level who were drafted recently.

I left some Europeans who played in the NHL off, or ones who seemed to be more valued for their checking skills. Let me know though and I can look them or anyone I forgot up.

|Intl Finishes
Nils Nilsson|1, 2, 6, 7, 9
Vladimir Ruzicka|1, 3, 5, 5
Tord Lundstrom|6, 6, 6, 8
Ville Peltonen|2, 2, 4, 6
Raimo Helminen|1, 6, 7
Ronald Pettersson|2, 6, 10
Vladimir Golikov|4, 6, 10
Mats Ahlberg|3, 10, 10
Viktor Polupanov|2, 2
Alexander Golikov|3, 3
Viktor Zhluktov|1, 10
Roland Eriksson|3, 9
Thomas Rundqvist|4, 9
Sergei Shepelev|8, 9
Jiri Novak|2
Jan Klapac|3
Alexander Martynyuk|4
Alexander Bodunov|5
Lars-Eric Lundvall|6
Willy Lindstrom|6
Matti Hagman|10

The following drafted players never had a top 10 finish: Pelle Eklund, Jorgen Jonsson, Evgeny Mishakov, Eduard Novak, Alexander Skvortsov, Sergei Svetlov, Evgeny Zimin

This table combines World Championships, Olympics, and Canada Cups. The Canada Cups were a higher level of competition, but this doesn't acknowledge that. For example, Svetlov's 11th place finish in the Canada Cup is probably more impressive than Hagman's 10th place finish in the World Championships. This also highlights the problem with stopping at top 10, but I had to draw an arbitrary line somewhere.

You also need to consider the era these finishes were accumulated in too.

 

[seventieslord]

Even hobnobs and Jkrx are in, so looks like everyone wants the analysis/feedback/playoffs we thought we were having when we signed up. So I'll start the threads tonight if no one does it sooner.

3-10
4-9
5-8
6-7

1 and 2 have byes.

 

[seventieslord]

Even hobnobs and Jkrx are in, so looks like everyone wants the analysis/feedback/playoffs we thought we were having when we signed up. So I'll start the threads tonight if no one does it sooner.

3-10
4-9
5-8
6-7

1 and 2 have byes.

whoops... duh! we don't want to end up with 6 teams after round 1... we want 8. So it's a quick preliminary round of 7-10 and 8-9 with the winners joining the top-6 to make 8.

I'll make the threads now.

 

[seventieslord]

Doesn't Hobs live in Sweden? About a 5 or 6 hr time difference, making it a little tougher for him to pick?

sorry, I missed this message earlier. I just wanted to point out that when I said that we should expect "this" every draft, I did not mean Hobnobs making late picks at the end. I meant that there's always someone behind at the end, not singling out anyone, it's usually someone different every time.

 

[ResilientBeast]

David Výborný RW to finish the draft. I hope

 

[seventieslord]

It's time to vote on the preliminary series.

Boston vs. Sweden and Edmonton vs. Danville.

Please send your votes to Hawkey Town 18 with the winner, number of games, and three stars.

Votes will be accepted from AAA and A draft GMs as well, if they are interested in throwing in their two cents.

 

[ResilientBeast]

Just voted.

 

[BubbaBoot]

I thought it was Boston vs Edmonton? Not Boston vs Sweden.....?

And we are voting in our own series?

 

[ResilientBeast]

I thought it was Boston vs Edmonton? Not Boston vs Sweden.....?

And we are voting in our own series?

He messed up, Boston vs Edmonton and Sweden vs Daneville


And I sure hope so, I already voted for it.

 

[seventieslord]

Yes, I messed up.

My apologies. It is Boston/Edmonton and Sweden/Danville.

I updated my private messages.

 

[Hobnobs]

voted

 

[Hawkey Town 18]

In the preliminary round some of you voted on your own series, which is not allowed. Please refrain from doing the same in future rounds to make things easier for me when tallying.

Thanks,
HT

 

[BubbaBoot]

In the preliminary round some of you voted on your own series, which is not allowed. Please refrain from doing the same in future rounds to make things easier for me when tallying.

Thanks,
HT

I asked about that, no one responded.