Team Canada 2022

[Sidney the Kidney]

RoR is the one who is on the bubble out of those players. He really didnt have a good year last year and was even worse in the playoffs.

Couts is like 80% chance to make it and Stone/Marner are virtual locks.

I think Barzal, Scheifele, Tavares and even Stammer are the guys that need to have good first halves to solidify a place.

I think realistically Stamkos gets picked, even if it's as the 14th forward and PP specialist, due to Cooper being the head coach. They probably want to avoid another 2014 Martin St. Louis situation where St. Louis threw a fit because his then-GM Yzerman didn't select him, which resulted in his eventual trade due to the rift.

 

[ValeriKamensky]

Huberdeau - Mcdavid - Stone
O`Reilly - Crosby - MacKinnon
Marchand - Bergeron - Tavares
Scheifele - Couturier - Point
Barzal, Stamkos

Theodore - Pietrangelo
Toews - Makar
Muzzin - Hamilton
Chabot - Ellis

Price
Fleury
Hart

 

[Zybalto]

I think realistically Stamkos gets picked, even if it's as the 14th forward and PP specialist, due to Cooper being the head coach. They probably want to avoid another 2014 Martin St. Louis situation where St. Louis threw a fit because his then-GM Yzerman didn't select him, which resulted in his eventual trade due to the rift.

Ahh politics.

He had a good playoffs (although only 1 point in the final but almost everyone had trouble scoring on Price) so I think he'll probably be fine then barring a steep falloff or injury.

 

[centipede2233]

RoR is the one who is on the bubble out of those players. He really didnt have a good year last year and was even worse in the playoffs.

Couts is like 80% chance to make it and Stone/Marner are virtual locks.

I think Barzal, Scheifele, Tavares and even Stammer are the guys that need to have good first halves to solidify a place.

Definitely agree with you. I just wonder if stammer and RoR have the inside track because Armstrong is the gm and cooper is the coach, and yes, team Canada is an old boys club lol

 

[Zybalto]

Definitely agree with you. I just wonder if stammer and RoR have the inside track because Armstrong is the gm and cooper is the coach, and yes, team Canada is an old boys club lol

Stamkos/RoR/Tavares confirmed 4th line? Was actually my earlier prediction and would make sense it seems.

 

[majormajor]

I think realistically Stamkos gets picked, even if it's as the 14th forward and PP specialist, due to Cooper being the head coach. They probably want to avoid another 2014 Martin St. Louis situation where St. Louis threw a fit because his then-GM Yzerman didn't select him, which resulted in his eventual trade due to the rift.

I can imagine Cooper doesn't want that headache. But funny enough it's been widely speculated for a long time that the Bolts would benefit from moving Stamkos and his contract. He doesn't want to go though, unless there happened to be some snub by his coach...

 

[centipede2233]

I can imagine Cooper doesn't want that headache. But funny enough it's been widely speculated for a long time that the Bolts would benefit from moving Stamkos and his contract. He doesn't want to go though, unless there happened to be some snub by his coach...

Haha that’s a pretty good theory, and looking at the bolts recent history of doing anything it takes to win, I wouldn’t put it past them! Cooper can provide suggestions, however it’ll be Armstrong who has final say. But I do like your line of thinking haha

 

[Get North]

It's scary to see how other countries are producing better prospects than Canada especially in the 2016, 2017, 2018 NHL drafts. We have very little talent from all 3 drafts. We look a bit better in 2020 and 2021 though.

 

[Three On Zero]

It's scary to see how other countries are producing better prospects than Canada especially in the 2016, 2017, 2018 NHL drafts. We have very little talent from all 3 drafts. We look a bit better in 2020 and 2021 though.

Things are looking grim for the near future

 

[JackSlater]

If you mean me, it wasn't just the 2021 playoffs.

And, for the record, Marner is my favourite Leaf - believe it or not. I just want Canada to win and that trumps any loyalty.

Oh you're certainly one of them. But then again if Marner has a good game, maybe two, it'll probably be the reverse and he'll be a lock for first line right wing.

 

[centipede2233]

I think one main reason for this is that Canada has become much more expensive to live in the metropolitan areas. And hockey isn’t a cheap sport to fund, factoring in equipment and whatever league fees you gotta pay to play. Canada used to be super affordable, however immigration has driven the cost of housing up. Blame the govt.

 

[ORRFForever]

Oh you're certainly one of them. But then again if Marner has a good game, maybe two, it'll probably be the reverse and he'll be a lock for first line right wing.

When Marner wins the Conn Smythe, let me know.

 

[JackSlater]

When Marner wins the Conn Smythe, let me know.

The Conn Smythe is incredibly irrelevant for an international competition. Regardless I hope that you yourself remember this when Marner most likely reels off a few high scoring runs once the season starts. I say that having Marner barely on the team myself.

 

[ORRFForever]

The Conn Smythe is incredibly irrelevant for an international competition. Regardless I hope that you yourself remember this when Marner most likely reels off a few high scoring runs once the season starts. I say that having Marner barely on the team myself.

He's amazing during the regular season. It's just during high pressure playoff games that he disappears.

 

[Mathieukferland]

Things are looking grim for the near future

Not really, will be four drafts in a row with the first overall pick and Bedard and Wright look the real deal. As for those down years, still had the most first round picks of any country and produced the best defenseman in the league, if that’s what down years are for Canada I’ll take it

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

Things are looking grim for the near future

I think they’ll be fine. Projecting 4 years out it looks pretty good to me. There will be plenty of names that emerge that were not even thinking about right now too.

Lafreniere - McDavid - MacKinnon
Barzal - Bedard - Byfield
Huberdeau - Point - Marner
Dach - Suzuki - Batherson

Power - Makar
Chychrun - Chabot
Pelech - Ekblad
Byram - Drysdale

Hart
????

 

[bert]

This is a false trail. Marner’s playoff production has been better than Stone’s.

Watch the games.

 

[ORRFForever]

I think they’ll be fine. Projecting 4 years out it looks pretty good to me. There will be plenty of names that emerge that were not even thinking about right now too.

Lafreniere - McDavid - MacKinnon
Barzal - Bedard - Byfield
Huberdeau - Point - Marner
Dach - Suzuki - Batherson

Power - Makar
Chychrun - Chabot
Pelech - Ekblad
Byram - Drysdale

Hart
????

I'm sure Wright could be added to the mix, with Cossa in net.

 

[Zybalto]

He's amazing during the regular season. It's just during high pressure playoff games that he disappears.

It's a tough call when all his underlying numbers are saying he was a dominant force out there the last two playoffs and ran into hot goaltending. Maybe its just a difference of opinion that when I was swearing at my TV at Galchenyuk and Dermott and Sandin blowing games while it seemed like depth guys like Mikheyev was intentionally trying to get the best chance possible without scoring (he has the record for fewest points (0) in the NHL in the most minutes the last two years) and marveling at Price's performance, you were focusing in on Marner for some reason and I'm not sure we saw the same thing. Eye tests will always be this way as they are unreliable so all we have are the stats.

If I try to get the biggest sample possible and rank Marner against the 106 NHL forwards who played at least 200 5v5 playoff minutes the last two playoffs, here is how he ranks:

Shot differential: 125-88 (58.08%, 13th best out of 106)
Scoring chance differential: 123-90 (57.16%, 10th best out of 106)
High Danger scoring chance differential: 45-19 (70.45%, 1st by far out of 106)
Expected Goals%: 66.29 (1st by far out of 106)

A combination of these numbers are almost always fairly good for assessing how good a player was out there, the bigger the sample, the more accuarate they will be.

To give you an example of how these numbers usually work, lets sort it out by right wingers.

5v5, the top right wingers ranking the last two playoffs (200 minutes+, 28 RW total):

Shot differential:

1. Tuch
2. Kucherov
3. Voracek
4. Svechnikov
5. Marner

Scoring chance differential:

1. Rantanen
2. Tuch
3. Pastrnak
4. Marner
5. Kucherov

High Danger scoring chance differential:

1. Marner
2. Tuch
3. Kucherov
4. Voracek
5. Gallagher

Expected Goals%:

1. Marner
2. Tuch
3. Kucherov
4. Voracek
5. Smith

These lists generally hold the best performing players (hense Kucherov being on every list for example)

As far as Marner goes, I just don't think he's been given a fair shot here. No one denys the goaltending he was playing against was great either with his 8 points in 12 games.

 

[ORRFForever]

It's a tough call when all his underlying numbers are saying he was a dominant force out there the last two playoffs and ran into hot goaltending. Maybe its just a difference of opinion that when I was swearing at my TV at Galchenyuk and Dermott and Sandin blowing games while it seemed like depth guys like Mikheyev was intentionally trying to get the best chance possible without scoring (he has the record for fewest points (0) in the NHL in the most minutes the last two years) and marveling at Price's performance, you were focusing in on Marner for some reason and I'm not sure we saw the same thing. Eye tests will always be this way as they are unreliable so all we have are the stats.

If I try to get the biggest sample possible and rank Marner against the 106 NHL forwards who played at least 200 5v5 playoff minutes the last two playoffs, here is how he ranks:

Shot differential: 125-88 (58.08%, 13th best out of 106)
Scoring chance differential: 123-90 (57.16%, 10th best out of 106)
High Danger scoring chance differential: 45-19 (70.45%, 1st by far out of 106)
Expected Goals%: 66.29 (1st by far out of 106)

A combination of these numbers are almost always fairly good for assessing how good a player was out there, the bigger the sample, the more accuarate they will be.

To give you an example of how these numbers usually work, lets sort it out by right wingers.

5v5, the top right wingers ranking the last two playoffs (200 minutes+, 28 RW total):

Shot differential:

1. Tuch
2. Kucherov
3. Voracek
4. Svechnikov
5. Marner

Scoring chance differential:

1. Rantanen
2. Kucherov
3. Pastrnak
4. Marner
5. Kucherov

High Danger scoring chance differential:

1. Marner
2. Tuch
3. Kucherov
4. Voracek
5. Gallagher

Expected Goals%:

1. Marner
2. Tuch
3. Kucherov
4. Voracek
5. Smith

These lists generally hold the best performing players (hense Kucherov being on every list for example)

As far as Marner goes, I just don't think he's been given a fair shot here. No one denys the goaltending he was playing against was great either with his 8 points in 12 games.

Thanks for the stats but, TBH, I don't understand them.

I only know what I see when I watch Marner play.

 

[centipede2233]

Here’s a marner stat, he has 7 total minor penalties in his playoff career, 6 are puck over the glass, draw your own conclusion

 

[ORRFForever]

Here’s a marner stat, he has 7 total minor penalties in his playof career, 6 are puck over the glass, draw your own conclusion

LOL! Good one.

I may use that in the future.

 

[Zybalto]

Thanks for the stats but, TBH, I don't understand them.

I only know what I see when I watch Marner play.

I'll simplify things by just saying that if you see a name on those lists, they tilted the ice in favor of their teams more than any other RWs in the playoffs the last two years, regardless of goaltending. It would take real work to say any name on those lists was a problem to their team, certainly a lot more work than I put in making them.

 

[ORRFForever]

I'll simplify things by just saying that if you see a name on those lists, they tilted the ice in favor of their teams more than any other RWs in the playoffs the last two years, regardless of goaltending. It would take real work to say any name on those lists was a problem to their team, certainly a lot more work than I put in making them.

Fair enough, Z, and I appreciate the summary.

Still, as Centipede so wisely said...

Marner has 7 minor penalties in his playoff career and 6 are puck over the glass so draw your own conclusions.

That sums up the pain of Leaf fans and the reason why I don't want him on Team Canada.

 

[Zybalto]

Fair enough, Z, and I appreciate the summary.

Still, as Centipede so wisely said...

Marner has 7 minor penalties in his playoff career and 6 are puck over the glass so draw your own conclusions.

That sums up the pain of Leaf fans and the reason why I don't want him on Team Canada.

Hey, when it rains it pours for the Leafs sometimes in the playoffs in the luck factor and its a pretty amusing stat. Only average slightly above a single penalty a playoff series while drawing a ton of them is pretty sweet too though. Guess we know what he's working on this summer.



You know hes making the team though right?