Prospect Info: Team Board Mock Draft Pick #20

[RGY]

If the Sens like him it’s gonna require overpayment probably same or more than what we gave them to move up for Miller

So trade up to 18 or 17

 

[UnSandvich]

I'd rather take York at 20 than pay assets to get Seider a pick or two earlier

 

[True Blue]

I'd rather take York at 20 than pay assets to get Seider a pick or two earlier

I like York and he may well be BPA, but it just feels like the defense needs something else besides another smallish PMD.

Ideally, there is a trade up for Zegras or Newhook. If not possible without gross over payment, I would take Dorofeyev with another hit for the fences swing.

 

[Irishguy42]

I like York and he may well be BPA, but it just feels like the defense needs something else besides another smallish PMD.

If York is the BPA, you draft him.

Who cares if he's a small PMD. Don't draft based on need just because you feel the defense "needs something else."

Chances are by the time York becomes an NHL regular, the defense will have changed.

Ideally, there is a trade up for Zegras or Newhook. If not possible without gross over payment, I would take Dorofeyev with another hit for the fences swing.

I agree.

 

[UnSandvich]

I like York and he may well be BPA, but it just feels like the defense needs something else besides another smallish PMD.

Ideally, there is a trade up for Zegras or Newhook. If not possible without gross over payment, I would take Dorofeyev with another hit for the fences swing.

Isn't taking the BPA by definition a "swing for the fences" move?

 

[True Blue]

Isn't taking the BPA by definition a "swing for the fences" move?

Not necessarily. Someone's ultimate upside may eclipse the draft position.

 

[Tawnos]

If York is the BPA, you draft him.

Who cares if he's a small PMD. Don't draft based on need just because you feel the defense "needs something else."

Chances are by the time York becomes an NHL regular, the defense will have changed.


I agree.

When someone says “defense needs something else” in regards to prospects, they usually mean the system and youth rather than solely the current NHL roster. I don’t think there’s any doubt the right D in our system includes a lot of smallish PMD types. Pretty much exclusively so, with DeAngelo, Pionk, Fox, Lundkvist, and Keane.

I feel like another RD in that mold would be redundant, which is why Seider is so attractive, but York isn’t an RD.

We do want to be in a situation like where the Hurricanes are now, where they haven’t felt pressure to bring up 2 well regarded D prospects in Fleury and Bean.

 

[Joey Bones]

Went York, but hard to pass up on Dorofeyev. I'd potentially reach on Bjornfot here, too.

 

[Kovalev27]

Lavoie has. 21 goals in 25 playoff games. Just saying

 

[Savant]

Changed my mind. Would go Dorofeyev. Won’t matter on poll though.

 

[Draft Guru]

Lavoie has. 21 goals in 25 playoff games. Just saying

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Lavoie has. 21 goals in 25 playoff games. Just saying

Yeah hes being undersold here.

Would be fine with him at 20.

 

[Leetch3]

Lavoie has. 21 goals in 25 playoff games. Just saying

would not be upset with that pick at all...although that playoff run combined with his size might guarantee he will be gone by 20 lol

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Rangers don’t draft out of the QJMHL, so I’d be surprised to see them target Lavoie

 

[UnSandvich]

If Lavoie was a couple weeks from next years draft, instead of last years, I'd definitely consider him. But for one of the oldest prospects in the draft, and one of the largest, i find his season rather disappointing

 

[Edge]

If Lavoie was a couple weeks from next years draft, instead of last years, I'd definitely consider him. But for one of the oldest prospects in the draft, and one of the largest, i find his season rather disappointing

Very up and down season and the playoffs are masking some serious issues in his game.

This is a kid who has now played close to 200 games of junior hockey, he’s 10 days shy of being a 2018 eligible. He’s about 4-5 inches taller than most of his younger competition, he certainly didn’t lead the team on the ice or grow by leaps and bounds this season, he certainly didn’t harness the consistency in his game that was flagged the season before and he still plays a very Q-style, junior hockey like game.

When he’s on, he makes for nice highlight clips that fit perfectly with 280 characters or less. But people don’t tend to post highlights of skating in circles accomplishing nothing, or highly questionable decisions for a player with as many miles under the hood as he has.

I think he has a lot of natural skill, and those guys always get the benefit of the doubt, no matter how much logic dictates otherwise. But for all the intrigue, primarily driven by what people thought they were going to see, I don’t know if he would fair favorably in a blind taste test. Meaning, would anyone view this as a successful D+1 season if he were born 10 days early and selected in the top 20 last season? Probably not.

 

[Thirty One]

I am the 1%.

 

[pblawr]

I am the 1%.

I'm with you. I don't know about York. He doesn't have any standout physical skills. He's not a great skater and he's undersized. He makes some smart plays and he puts up a lot of points, but he's gotta be in the most favorable situation you could ask for. I think basically anyone who's on a power play with Hughes, Caufield, Zegras, and Turcotte would put up a lot of points. I'm not sure you could ask to play with guys who are better at finding you with great passes or getting in position to receive passes themselves and making you look good. I'm not sure how people get comfortable that he's a really that great of a player if you take him out of that situation.

Harley on the other hand, is obviously is a plus skater and has above-average size. He was still productive when Tippett and McLeod got traded away and his team was pretty mediocre. I think you could make a case that, if you adjust for their situations, Harley's production / offensive sense was better than York's. He's one of the youngest players in the draft and his development has been fantastic. He went from being totally off the radar to becoming a consensus top 20 pick this year and his issues in the defensive zone appear to have improved significantly over the course of the year.

 

[Hasbro]

York it is.

Thanks Everyone.

 

[SML2]

How many 5'11" 180 lb. defensemen do people really think we can have on this roster? This pendulum is eventually going to swing back the other way, and guys like Tom Wilson will be waiting for us when it does. I would rather see another shot at a forward like Poulin, Kaliev, or maybe even Grewe depending upon how high they havechim ranked. I'm normally a BPA guy but I think the cupboard is stocked all the way on this type of player.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

This is one of the arguments I told myself I’m not going to participate in anymore, so I’ll just say I don’t believe it makes any sense to give out any gigantic contracts with where this team is and what they’ve been doing the past year and a half

 

[Off Sides]

I like York and all but I tend to agree he is too much like all the other LD prospects the Rangers already have and I'm a little leery about whether his production was related to his team versus him individually.

I think there are a couple forwards who both fit the prospect pool need better and are right up there as equally if not more talented. Dorofeyev for me with Tomasino right behind.

 

[ElLeetch]

I like York and all but I tend to agree he is too much like all the other LD prospects the Rangers already have and I'm a little leery about whether his production was related to his team versus him individually.

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Im hesitant on any US Team kid after Hughes, because that super team just fed off each other. Hard to ID individual accomplishments

 

[True Blue]

Im hesitant on any US Team kid after Hughes, because that super team just fed off each other. Hard to ID individual accomplishments

Sorry, that's crazy. Turcotte, Zegras, Boldy these are all fantastic prospects.

 

[ElLeetch]

Sorry, that's crazy. Turcotte, Zegras, Boldy these are all fantastic prospects.

They are still good prospects, but if they each are playing with a 10-20% boost in production, they might be boosted in the draft by +/- 5 spots.

A kid in the CHL or EU having to do more on their own doesn't have the advantage of optimal matchups vs. Other teams depth D pairs that some of these US kids enjoy. They don't have a Hughes to pass to or play behind.