Confirmed Trade: [TBL/CHI] Brandon Hagel, 2022, 2024 4ths for Boris Katchouk, Taylor Raddysh, 2023, 2024 1sts (Top 10 protected)
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Negotiation tactics ... Tampa Bat was robbed with Savard, Coleman, Goodrow, when they traded Miller for a 1st.... Or maybe they have a coherent plan of action. Think any team would accept to be robbed like TBL supposedly was...
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No, this means Tampa front office sees an area of need, pinpoints the best player possible and gets him. Paying a premium? Maybe, but for what Hagel contract is worth I'd definitely not call this trade a robbery for Chicago.
Other teams get to the deadline and spend assets on rental and old players. Tampa spends assets to address a need by getting the best player they can afford.. but for multiple playoff runs. That's the difference, and it has payed off with both Goodrow and Coleman. They went out and got Savard (a rental) because there was no cap space this offseason to get someone for multiple playoff runs.
Anybody doubting JBB and Tampa strategy at this point is kinda comical.
BurntToast
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The deal looks wild but, in reality TBL paid for a player and cap flexibility. What’s the last year of Stamkos’ contract? Hmm. The tryout begins now..
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Congrats to hawks fans...that is a frigen haul!
I could see atleast one of the Katchouk/Raddysh becoming a respectable too
I could see atleast one of the Katchouk/Raddysh becoming a respectable too
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Lol. Lost in all this is they traded two firsts (regardless of whether or not you believe they’re over-valued on here) which never happens for far better talents than Hagel. This player is having an absurd outlier of a season that will not continue guaranteed and will certainly not have the opportunity in Tampa he had in Chicago.
Hagel gonna get first line ice time like he does in Chicago? First unit PP? Is he gonna be one of the guys on the ice when you’re down 1 late in the third with the goalie pulled?
Just an absolutely bizarre decision to trade that much for a guy who will not be the reason you win the cup. At the end of the day it’ll come down to their key players performing when it matters most and staying healthy.
Sure, let’s entertain for whatever reason Hagel still gets 17:30 of ice time in Tampa including first unit PP, and still shoots at 22%. I guess Tampa wins. Something tells me neither of these things will be true.
Does winning the cup make it worth it? Obviously. That doesn’t change the fact that the trade is an overpayment.
Hagel gonna get first line ice time like he does in Chicago? First unit PP? Is he gonna be one of the guys on the ice when you’re down 1 late in the third with the goalie pulled?
Just an absolutely bizarre decision to trade that much for a guy who will not be the reason you win the cup. At the end of the day it’ll come down to their key players performing when it matters most and staying healthy.
Sure, let’s entertain for whatever reason Hagel still gets 17:30 of ice time in Tampa including first unit PP, and still shoots at 22%. I guess Tampa wins. Something tells me neither of these things will be true.
Does winning the cup make it worth it? Obviously. That doesn’t change the fact that the trade is an overpayment.
Tampa fans your gaining a solid productive cost controlled forward whom can play up and down the lineup and losing 2 young unproductive forwards at this time and 2 late 1 st round picks is exactly what you would have paid this year and next . Tampa isn't in a rebuild situation there looking to win as many cups as possible in there window of opportunity.
Chicago fans need to except reality Chicago is going into a full rebuild , they won't be able to fully wash there hands until toews and kane are traded or there contracts expire next summer. So that means any player currently in Chicago most likely won't be with the team once they've gotten to a point of competing in any serious way.. cat , strome and possibly dach I'd expect will be traded somewhere in the future...
Expect a minimum of 4 years of losing before we hopefully see enough young talent develop and evolve into productive players, and Chicago has no young goalies in the pipeline that we can agree will be Chicago starting goalie...
Chicago fans need to except reality Chicago is going into a full rebuild , they won't be able to fully wash there hands until toews and kane are traded or there contracts expire next summer. So that means any player currently in Chicago most likely won't be with the team once they've gotten to a point of competing in any serious way.. cat , strome and possibly dach I'd expect will be traded somewhere in the future...
Expect a minimum of 4 years of losing before we hopefully see enough young talent develop and evolve into productive players, and Chicago has no young goalies in the pipeline that we can agree will be Chicago starting goalie...
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They aren’t trading for a 17 minute a night guy with 22% shooting percentage.
They are trading for a guy who can play up and down the lineup and contribute in the same way that Coleman did, with a cost of 1.5 for the next 2 seasons, so they can continue to afford the guys they will be playing in the top 6.
They gave up 2 unimpressive forwards, and 2 late 1st’s for a guy that will contribute in their top 9 at a very low cap hit for the next 2 seasons. It’s a huge win for the Lightning, and it’s a good deal for the Hawks as a rebuilding team.
The last few Tampa 1sts have produced Nolan Allen, Nolan Foote and Ozzy Weisblatt. Those are the level of prospects Chicago should be realistically looking at adding with those picks.
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Once again, Lightning fans don't give a shit because teams TALK about loading up and we go out and DO IT for the players we want.
f*** them kids. We have a dynasty to build
f*** them kids. We have a dynasty to build
ThunderRoad
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All depends on what a team does with the picks, and if Chicago does actually use them to draft two players, whether those players actually pan out which is never a guarantee. For all of Tampa's drafting success, it hasn't been with 1st round picks for whatever reason with most of their gems found in later rounds.
As for Katchouk and Raddysh, while there's no reason they can't have an extended NHL career, their ceiling is below Hagel's. And then Hagel will be an RFA after next couple of seasons in which Tampa will either be in a position to negotiate with him or can move him for return assets.
Third time BriseBois has identified a guy that another team has no intention of moving and he gets that specific player anyway. It's worked out well up to this point, so no reason this will not be a similar situation. But of course nothing is guaranteed, including if JBB had done nothing and held on to the picks/prospects.
Can remember another trade Chicago made way back in the day with Detroit that included two 1sts plus roster player for a 37 year old defenseman, and Chicago did not win that trade.
You never know.
Brisebois is in a class of his own. This trade is a master-class in cap management. A sure-fire 23-year old with a 1.5M cap hit for three playoff runs, plus RFA status thereafter, is worth far more to a cap-strapped team like Tampa. He has figured out that first round picks outside of the top-ten are not worth as much as the market perceives them to be. And, frankly, Tampa has about the same odds of landing future NHL players with the fourth round picks that it got back. Brisebois is not playing by the old school rules. And yet most of the ancient relics are still playing checkers when the real game is chess. (It was a good deal for Chicago. My point is other GMs too often overspend for rentals and are not measuring value more holistically and using consistency of strategy over a period of time.)
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ThunderRoad
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Players like Coleman and Goodrow were absolutely reasons Tampa won the Cup the past two seasons. They were difference makers the Lightning needed along with their core and Vasilevskiy.
Hated that Tampa couldn't afford to hang on to them when they wanted to stay, but at least there are two important banners in the rafters because of their assistance and JBB pulling the trigger to get them.
As for Hagel, he'll get playing time with Kucherov, Point, and Stamkos - unless he has complete lack of chemistry with all of those guys, can't see how that is going to be a detriment to him.
Steep price but it makes sense for TB. They can spend a 1st for a rental this year and then a 1st for a rental next year, or just spend two 1st and get a guy for 2 years
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Suppose it all depends if what Tampa see in Hagel is what he is, or he is just on a wild shooting % ride.
I appreciate he does more, and surely I don’t follow the Hawks much, but it is a major return for someone with his resume/pedigree.
I appreciate he does more, and surely I don’t follow the Hawks much, but it is a major return for someone with his resume/pedigree.
DownIsTheNewUp
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Those saying overpayment are just looking at the player name and the return without any other context.
Trying to compare this with the value of a pure rental makes no sense.
1 playoff run
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Playoff run + full season + playoff run + full season + playoff run + RFA rights
Tampa already has the core locked up long term, they need to find ways to keep/replace depth with very little cap space and this contract helps do that perfectly for several years.
Trying to compare this with the value of a pure rental makes no sense.
1 playoff run
vs
Playoff run + full season + playoff run + full season + playoff run + RFA rights
Tampa already has the core locked up long term, they need to find ways to keep/replace depth with very little cap space and this contract helps do that perfectly for several years.
Getting players to win cups and go for more cups when the core window is closing year by year is smart asset management.
