Speculation: Taylor Hall - Contract discussion

[Blackjack]

LOL we’ve gone from the we’d better sign him mentality in the offseason to where we’ll be disappointed if he does resign cause of this mythical trade return people are talking themselves into believing

At this point we’ll be disappointed with anything less than Dahlin, Eichel, and 2 unprotected 1sts.

 

[glenwo2]

a few of the Blues fans offered Vince Dunn (and more) for a signed Hall

which I would be ALL over

But what would the Blues GM offer?

Certainly not Vince Dunn.

McKenzie said there’s a 25% chance the Devils re-sign Hall.

Mackenzie needs to stop using Incarcerated Bob as his source.

 

[MartyOwns]

LOL we’ve gone from the we’d better sign him mentality in the offseason to where we’ll be disappointed if he does resign cause of this mythical trade return people are talking themselves into believing

the HF logo should be:

edit- Arc of Tolerance is a great username

 

[My3Sons]

At this point we’ll be disappointed with anything less than Dahlin, Eichel, and 2 unprotected 1sts.

and I expect BUF to retain on Eichel. I don’t want to buy all of that cap dump.

 

[Foppa2118]

Could the Avs and Devils work something out around the following?

Hall + Greene for Zadorov + Newhook + Greer + Avs 1st

Just out of curiosity is this close? I'm sure you guys would prefer a bluechip prospect like Byram or something similar from another team, but if that isn't available, is this decent value for an unsigned Hall? I'm assuming they'd get an extension done, but probably not before the trade is finalized.

Doesn't seem like Greene holds a ton of value with you guys, but let me know if I'm wrong?

Avs just need a reliable vet defenseman to play on the 3rd pair if they're trading Zadorov. Either separately or in the same trade.

Thanks for any feedback.

 

[Nubmer6]

Just out of curiosity is this close? I'm sure you guys would prefer a bluechip prospect like Byram or something similar from another team, but if that isn't available, is this decent value for an unsigned Hall? I'm assuming they'd get an extension done, but probably not before the trade is finalized.

Doesn't seem like Greene holds a ton of value with you guys, but let me know if I'm wrong?

Avs just need a reliable vet defenseman to play on the 3rd pair if they're trading Zadorov. Either separately or in the same trade.

Thanks for any feedback.

At this point the Devils need quality over quantity, especially at forward. We arguable have 7-8 top 6 forwards with more in the pipeline. On D we really need a top 4 LHD. Giving up Greene wouldn't really help us since it would still force us to play Severson on his off-side and (even worse) force us to continue playing Tennyson as the 3RHD.

 

[Foppa2118]

At this point the Devils need quality over quantity, especially at forward. We arguable have 7-8 top 6 forwards with more in the pipeline. On D we really need a top 4 LHD. Giving up Greene wouldn't really help us since it would still force us to play Severson on his off-side and (even worse) force us to continue playing Tennyson as the 3RHD.

Thanks. I was assuming Greene was unlikely to resign so that's why I included him. Zadorov can be a top 4 LD. Most see him as a #4/5 with room to grow in his game if he can be more consistent.

He's a physical force when he's on his game. I think the Avs would like to keep him, but he's due for a raise, and they may need to move him to go the 7-3 route in expansion.

 

[Nubmer6]

Thanks. I was assuming Greene was unlikely to resign so that's why I included him. Zadorov can be a top 4 LD. Most see him as a #4/5 with room to grow in his game if he can be more consistent.

He's a physical force when he's on his game. I think the Avs would like to keep him, but he's due for a raise, and they may need to move him to go the 7-3 route in expansion.

If you're going to include prospects in your proposal, you're best off including defensive prospects for us. You seem to have plenty of them.

 

[Foppa2118]

If you're going to include prospects in your proposal, you're best off including defensive prospects for us. You seem to have plenty of them.

Timmins would probably be that guy, but he'll be tough to pry out of Colorado. I think they view him as EJ's future replacement. They don't really have anyone else that fits that mold.

My guess is they'd look for a cheaper forward to acquire, if the Devils insisted on Byram or Timmins, but who knows.

 

[njdevils1982]

Yeah, I'll take Elias, Kovy, Parise, and Lemieux over him every day of the week.

How many of our Hall of Famers won the Hart, are you saying Hall is better than them too? The same Hall who scored over 30 goals once in his career despite playing in an offense driven system for all of it.

stevens never won a norris ….going with last nights trivia theme…..

f***ing bourque

Place	Player	Age	Tm	Pos	Votes	Vote%	1st	2nd	3rd	4th	5th	G	A	PTS	+/-	OPS	DPS	GPS	PS
1	Ray Bourque	33	BOS	D	199	73.70	26	21	6			20	71	91	26	7.8	5.7	0.0	13.5
2	Scott Stevens	29	NJD	D	195	72.22	24	23	6			18	60	78	53	6.3	6.9	0.0	13.2
3	Al MacInnis	30	CGY	D	60	22.22	4	6	22			28	54	82	35	7.7	5.5	0.0	13.3
4	Sergei Zubov	23	NYR	D	15	5.56	0	2	9			12	77	89	20	6.9	5.6	0.0	12.5
5	Brian Leetch	25	NYR	D	10	3.70	0	2	4			23	56	79	28	6.8	6.4	0.0	13.3
6	Chris Chelios	32	CHI	D	3	1.11	0	0	3			16	44	60	12	4.7	5.0	0.0	9.7
7	Paul Coffey	32	DET	D	1	0.37	0	0	1			14	63	77	28	6.0	4.4	0.0	10.3
8	Nicklas Lidstrom	23	DET	D	1	0.37	0	0	1			10	46	56	43	3.8	5.4	0.0	9.2
9	Sandis Ozolinsh	21	SJS	D	1	0.37	0	0	1			26	38	64	16	5.8	5.3	0.0	11.2
10	Larry Murphy	32	PIT	D	1	0.37	0	0	1			17	56	73	10	5.7	4.0	0.0	9.7

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[Auto Pilot]

Friedman talks about Hall at 3:00

 

[glenwo2]

Friedman talks about Hall at 3:00

Echoed what we've said about Shero.

If Hall wants to stay, Shero will draw up that contract and have him sign it.

If Hall wants to *wait*, Shero WON'T WAIT if he gets an attractive offer from other teams.

 

[Bcap88]

We seen Shero do it with stall offer a contract and if it’s rejected the player will be shipped out. Shero ain’t the type to wait and see

 

[My3Sons]

I just want Ferris to be honest when they finally talk turkey.

 

[Eggtimer]

Ya no messing around and pulling a Parise . Play it like he is going to resign meanwhile always having intent on seeing what’s out there in UFA .
The good thing is Shero won’t put up with that crap (Staal example , where Shero traded him immediately after not agreeing to a contract)
Uncle Lou got burned by Parise , hopefully Shero and the Devils don’t lose Hall for nothing.
Sign him now or trade his arse now.
Offer him and his agent the contract now while they meet in Calgary. If Hall doesn’t sign, trade him now.
I’m thinking Shero has it all planned out for either scenario . If Hall turns it down , he already has feeler trades worked out.

Will be handy for Gaudreau and Hall to just switch dressing rooms on Thursday

 

[ScottyK]

Moving him months ahead of the deadline will help maximize value as well. I'm all in favor of moving him prior to Christmas if he doesn't sign by then.

 

[New Jersey Devils]

Some Calgary fan on the trade board suggested Gaudreau for Hall straight up. If only. NJ would probably have to add though.

 

[Devilsfan118]

Moving him months ahead of the deadline will help maximize value as well. I'm all in favor of moving him prior to Christmas if he doesn't sign by then.

"Here's the contract - sign on the dotted line by Thanksgiving or I'm looking for trade partners December 2nd"

 

[Hypernova]

Some Calgary fan on the trade board suggested Gaudreau for Hall straight up. If only. NJ would probably have to add though.

That fan is obviously insane

 

[Triumph]

Moving him months ahead of the deadline will help maximize value as well. I'm all in favor of moving him prior to Christmas if he doesn't sign by then.

It does not maximize value. It minimizes it. Teams who are up against the cap cannot afford Hall right now without trading a roster player. Some of them are banking cap space every day and will be closer to being able to afford him at the deadline.

 

[Blackjack]

It does not maximize value. It minimizes it. Teams who are up against the cap cannot afford Hall right now without trading a roster player. Some of them are banking cap space every day and will be closer to being able to afford him at the deadline.

I know it will never happen, but we should retain 50% of the contract if it maximizes the return.

 

[Satans Hockey]

I still think Hall is waiting to see how this team keeps doing. If they can pull off a winning streak and realistically look like they have a shot in the playoffs he signs a deal.

If we do a big tailspin on the rest of this road trip and proceed to come home and lose some more games, he'll be gone and maybe even traded before Thanksgiving.

Shero has shown that he doesn't just let bigger name UFAs walk for nothing so worst case scenario this drags on to the trade deadline and if he doesn't sign by then he'll be gone.

I still don't think this team is a playoff team but if they can somehow win 2 out of the next 3 games on this trip who knows.

 

[Ripshot 43]

If Hall is still undecided about if he wants to be here at this point then I don’t want him here. It’s that simple.

If your not sure if you want to fight with your teammates day in and day out to make this a better team, then goodbye. The MVP Hall we saw was that guy that dragged a much less talented team to the playoffs. No one player is more important than the team... and I sure hope Shero is preaching this and not making moves just for Halls sake.

 

[vtdevils2k]

I still think Hall is waiting to see how this team keeps doing. If they can pull off a winning streak and realistically look like they have a shot in the playoffs he signs a deal.

If we do a big tailspin on the rest of this road trip and proceed to come home and lose some more games, he'll be gone and maybe even traded before Thanksgiving.

Shero has shown that he doesn't just let bigger name UFAs walk for nothing so worst case scenario this drags on to the trade deadline and if he doesn't sign by then he'll be gone.

I still don't think this team is a playoff team but if they can somehow win 2 out of the next 3 games on this trip who knows.

Only issue is, you can't let this drag. Yes, it's still early in the season and they could go on a big winning streak and took like they are playoff bound next couple of months, but what if Hall gets hurt then walks?

We CAN'T lose this guy for nothing. We're in a much better shape now than we were when we lost Parise and Kovy, but you can't risk losing hall for nothing at all.

I think Hall knows if he wants to stay or test UFA. Seems like he wants to test UFA which is his right, but Shero has to do what is best for the Devils.

I've said this before, outside of a couple of teams(Colorado) who can realistically afford to pay Hall what he's probably worth as a UFA and promise guaranteed playoff appearances? Picking and choosing where you go does not always equal automatic success and playoff appearances.

Regardless of what happens, this situation is getting more media attention and I hope one way or another this doesn't drag on much longer.

The Devils will be fine and in the end, Hall being traded could be best for the Devils(especially based on where we end up in the standings and what players/picks we get for Hall)

 

[My3Sons]

If Hall is focused on this season as opposed to the next eight he’s very short sighted. He shouldn’t be making his decision based on fighting for a bottom playoff spot with this season’s still a work in progress team. If he can’t see the future is better than the present then he should just be honest and say that and go from there.