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News Article: Stempniak Wanted to Return, Jets Chose Youth Movement

allan5oh

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garret9 said:
It's not THE reason, but it's part of the reason.

Chicago runs a skilled 4th line, which they use as a defensive zone specialist line, which frees up everyone else to play almost purely scoring situational minutes, and is a major reason why they do so well.

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Whts interesting is how much that chart looks like jets 2.0 year one. Except the results are the complete opposite.
 
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jetman said:
A couple is 2. If it isn't fixed this year because of rookies not working out, then it better be fixed next year. Same boat as you there.

And all I can say about how easy/cheap it would be.... I don't know if it would be. Hindsight is 20/20. We don't know who and what sort of deals Chevy was going after that didn't work out. How different would our outlook be if the Setoguchi trade worked out, etc. Being a GM isn't a easy job, you have thousands of opinions being thrown at you and people pissed at you no matter what you do. I don't know how you can claim anything he does is inexcusable when you know almost nothing about what is happening behind the scenes. How many people would be calling for Chevy's head right now if the whole Kane situation was kept under wraps and the trade occurred at a seemingly random time?
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What we do know is that he signed Thorburn for three years and Peluso for two years. That doesn't sound like "trying to fix the fourth line" to me. That sounds more like "the Jets like crap."

Re: Kane. Chevy pretty much did keep the Kane situation under wraps until the trade occurred, give or take a few days. He should have made a move on Kane a couple of years earlier, given Kane told him very early on that he wanted a trade.
 

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Board Bard said:
What we do know is that he signed Thorburn for three years and Peluso for two years. That doesn't sound like "trying to fix the fourth line" to me. That sounds more like "the Jets like crap."

Re: Kane. Chevy pretty much did keep the Kane situation under wraps until the trade occurred, give or take a few days. He should have made a move on Kane a couple of years earlier, given Kane told him very early on that he wanted a trade.
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The return for Kane was more than acceptable. Not sure an earlier trade would have resulted in a better return.
 

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Getting high level players to play on the 4th line is easier for a SC Champion than it is for a fringe playoff team. Chevy has guessed wrong on several lower end forwards, that's for sure. Maurice probably puts too much emphasis on having a pugilist in the line-up. Slater's decline over the past few years has compounded the problem.
 
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puck stoppa said:
They are not dumb, they think Ehlers or Petan can replace him in that role and contribute more.
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Agreed. Not sure why people are hung up that we haven't signed guys like Stemp? And IMO Stemp isn't an alternative to players like Peluso, Hali, Fraser & MacWilliam. Peluso is a #13/14 head puncher. Maurice is old school and you can complain about it all you want, but it doesn't change the fact he wants one of the top fighters in the league at his disposal. I see Peluso getting 15-20 games when Maurice feels he needs/wants his "skill set" in the lineup. The others are AHL/NHL tweeners on 2-way contracts.

If you sign Stemp he is a roster player from day 1. No way he signs a 2-way contract so it takes him out of the tweener category. At this point he also is likely holding out for a 2 year contract in the $ 1 M range per season. Certainly an argument can be made that he is worth it.

However, the Jets are sitting on a boat load of grade A prospects that you need to start finding room for. In the next 2-3 years you likely have 6 - 8 prospects (Ehlers, Morrissey, Petan, Armia, Copp, Conner, Lemeiux, Helly etc.) pushing onto the roster. You need to start having an orderly progression onto the team. IMO that starts this season with at least 3 of them regulars by year's end. If you need veteran depth for a playoff run you pick up guys like Stemp for a mid round pick at the TD. But by then my guess the young guys are already giving you more across the board.
 
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puck stoppa said:
I was saying that Kruger is hardly Frolik skill wise. Bad comparison to put them at same level.
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I'd say they are easily comparable. Kruger has been forced to carry lesser players through some of the toughest minutes in the league. He consistently wins regardless. That wasn't my point though,my point was that they were both 4th liners in Chicago and that 4th line contributes in a big way.
 
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Perhaps the scariest thing about all this 4th line talk...

Regardless of who plays there, will they get any PK contribution?

Tony and Thor don't PK.
Armia, Copp, Petan and Ehlers Likely won't be asked to PK as rooks.
That leaves Cormier as the only PK player? Maybe?

It would be nice to remove some of that load from the likes of Ladd and Little.


Having a bad 4th line is one thing, but having a bad 4th line that offers zero PK contribution is worse.
 
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truck said:
Perhaps the scariest thing about all this 4th line talk...

Regardless of who plays there, will they get any PK contribution?

Tony and Thor don't PK.
Armia, Copp, Petan and Ehlers Likely won't be asked to PK as rooks.
That leaves Cormier as the only PK player? Maybe?

It would be nice to remove some of that load from the likes of Ladd and Little.


Having a bad 4th line is one thing, but having a bad 4th line that offers zero PK contribution is worse.
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the GST line used to PK, nice tight box. Only problem........ it was 5 on 5 at the time :sarcasm:
 
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truck said:
Perhaps the scariest thing about all this 4th line talk...

Regardless of who plays there, will they get any PK contribution?

Tony and Thor don't PK.
Armia, Copp, Petan and Ehlers Likely won't be asked to PK as rooks.
That leaves Cormier as the only PK player? Maybe?

It would be nice to remove some of that load from the likes of Ladd and Little.


Having a bad 4th line is one thing, but having a bad 4th line that offers zero PK contribution is worse.
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That's why I think Burmi plays C on the 4th line. He'll pk and be an upgrade to Slater, at a similar salary.

Ladd-Little-Ehlers
Stafford-Scheifele-Wheeler
Perreault-Lowry-Armia
Thor-Burmi-Hali

Fraser, Peluso
 
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Bob E said:
That's why I think Burmi plays C on the 4th line. He'll pk and be an upgrade to Slater, at a similar salary.

Ladd-Little-Ehlers
Stafford-Scheifele-Wheeler
Perreault-Lowry-Armia
Thor-Burmi-Hali

Fraser, Peluso
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...or it could be Lowry on the 4th.

Regardless, I'd still rather see Stempniak (or any other legit NHLer) than Thor or Hali. I still don't see how it is Stemp vs youth.
 
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