Value of: St. Louis getting its first round pick from Buffalo

[HogtownSabresfan]

Personally, I don’t believe the Blues are anywhere near this bad unless they really tear it down and do a rebuild. The pick is top 10 protected and will bounce to next year.

The incentive for Sabres to deal it back is Blues could easily bounce back and be a playoff team in 2019-20 given talent there with a better mix and decent goalie. Sabres could be stuck with 22-25 pick.

Blues might want it back because then they can look to future clean and really break up roster. Finishing bottom 5 is one thing, doing it without a pick is another.

What could Sabres pry from current roster? I’m begging not to turn this into an O’Reilly discussion — that trade is over.

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[DatDude44]

Would u move it for steen?

 

[ThorNton Apologist]

Would u move it for steen?

 

[HogtownSabresfan]

Would u move it for steen?

In all seriousness, I wouldnt give you back the 2nd rounder for him.

 

[stl76]

I’d rather have BUF 2020 1st

 

[abel17]

The Blues and Sabres will certainly not be trade partners again on that pick unless it's sometime after June 22, 2019.

 

[ZZamboni]

Sabres need a solid 2C. I think I know of a solid 2C on the Blues. Could even play 1C if Eichel gets hurt. Hell, we could even throw in a mid level prospect and Okposo.

 

[HaNotsri]

Thomas+taking back about 6 million in cap dumps. Or we could offer a really underwhelming package for Parayko and the pick will probably be worth less to you than that.

The only thing we got out of that terrible trade was picks and cap dumps that we really need to get out of. Why would we give the only thing that could save that trade back?

 

[Dan Kelly]

Ottawa wants it's 1st rounder back too....ain't gonna happen !

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

I’d rather have BUF 2020 1st

thinking Buffalo will follow the path of the ‘15 Jets, ‘16 Avalanche, ‘17 Senators, ‘18 Devils?

seems likely since there is always one

 

[stl76]

thinking Buffalo will follow the path of the ‘15 Jets, ‘16 Avalanche, ‘17 Senators, ‘18 Devils?

seems likely since there is always one

Ehhh it's partly thinking Buffalo is not as good as they're playing right now, but more so thinking that the Blues will be a lot better than they are playing right now. Guess you could call it a bit of regression to the mean.

Looks like chances are good that the Blues keep their 2019 1st, so realistically we are talking about comparing BUF and STL's 2020 1sts. I like the Blues' chances, especially after potentially adding a top 10 pick. Certainly would not be willing to give up significant assets to recoup the Blues 2020 1st. Comparisons to the OTT and COL situation are way off.

 

[HolyJumpin]

Ehhh it's partly thinking Buffalo is not as good as they're playing right now, but more so thinking that the Blues will be a lot better than they are playing right now. Guess you could call it a bit of regression to the mean.

Looks like chances are good that the Blues keep their 2019 1st, so realistically we are talking about comparing BUF and STL's 2020 1sts. I like the Blues' chances, especially after potentially adding a top 10 pick. Certainly would not be willing to give up significant assets to recoup the Blues 2020 1st. Comparisons to the OTT and COL situation are way off.

Have to also note Blues have a lot of cap space going into Free Agency with good goaltenders, good defensemen, and good coaches on the market. Ottawa's a budget team where STL is a cap ceiling team. It will be a problem if Doug Armstrong tries for a scorched earth approach.

 

[ThreeOfAPerfectPair]

Pietrangelo, one for one.

 

[BleedBlue14]

Pietrangelo, one for one.

you realize it is top 10 protected right?

 

[ThreeOfAPerfectPair]

you realize it is top 10 protected right?

Yes, reacquiring it allows St. Louis to do a proper retool.

 

[Jumptheshark]

sabres are trading unless it is VT

 

[BleedBlue14]

Yes, reacquiring it allows St. Louis to do a proper retool.

So we trade away Pietrangelo to take our chances on the draft casino? Assuming that we somehow play ourselves into the top 5 pick?

I like that plan seems really likely. What happens if we finish 10th?

 

[ThreeOfAPerfectPair]

So we trade away Pietrangelo to take our chances on the draft casino? Assuming that we somehow play ourselves into the top 5 pick?

I like that plan seems really likely. What happens if we finish 10th?

Well Edmonton drafted Bouchard at 10 last year and I wouldn't trade him straight up for Pietrangelo.

 

[LetsGoBooze]

No interest in getting pick back. Full rebuild is unnecessary, Blues will be a playoff team next season. If they make a move it will be a hockey trade nhl talent for nhl talent.

 

[Frenzy31]

Personally, I don’t believe the Blues are anywhere near this bad unless they really tear it down and do a rebuild. The pick is top 10 protected and will bounce to next year.

The incentive for Sabres to deal it back is Blues could easily bounce back and be a playoff team in 2019-20 given talent there with a better mix and decent goalie. Sabres could be stuck with 22-25 pick.

Blues might want it back because then they can look to future clean and really break up roster. Finishing bottom 5 is one thing, doing it without a pick is another.

What could Sabres pry from current roster? I’m begging not to turn this into an O’Reilly discussion — that trade is over.

I don’t understand the premise of your post. On one hand you say the Blues are going to keep the pick this year due to it being top 10 protected. You follow that up by stating they are going to bounce back next year and likely make the playoffs.

Both of which are likely true. So why do they need their pick back? I don’t see any way they finish in the bottom 5 next season and you seem to agree with the concept so why should they pay a high price for what is likely a bottom 10 pick on the first round.

A late first is a rental price at the TDL. No reason for the Blues to trade more then that. Buffalo can keep the pick. Hell, even if it is in the 12- 16 range this year, St Louis did very well in the ROR trade

 

[elitepete]

Thomas+taking back about 6 million in cap dumps. Or we could offer a really underwhelming package for Parayko and the pick will probably be worth less to you than that.

The only thing we got out of that terrible trade was picks and cap dumps that we really need to get out of. Why would we give the only thing that could save that trade back?

That pick is not going to be as high as you think.

 

[HaNotsri]

That pick is not going to be as high as you think.

Even if it would end up 20-31st it’s better than anything the Blues could reasonably offer. We’d better trade it to some other team.

 

[Blitz]

How about...

To

C/W Patrik Berglund ($3.85M UFA 2022)
2019 1st RND pick (STL)

To

C/W Brayden Schenn ($5.13M UFA 2020 - 25% retained = $3.85M AAV

STL gets their 1st back, and Berglund has clearly decided he doesnt want to play in WNY or Housley's system, Sabres have some need of a short-term #2C to cushion Mitts' minutes as he matures...

 

[Team Cozens]

I don’t understand the premise of your post. On one hand you say the Blues are going to keep the pick this year due to it being top 10 protected. You follow that up by stating they are going to bounce back next year and likely make the playoffs.

Both of which are likely true. So why do they need their pick back? I don’t see any way they finish in the bottom 5 next season and you seem to agree with the concept so why should they pay a high price for what is likely a bottom 10 pick on the first round.

A late first is a rental price at the TDL. No reason for the Blues to trade more then that. Buffalo can keep the pick. Hell, even if it is in the 12- 16 range this year, St Louis did very well in the ROR trade

Any team that misses the playoffs in 2020 gets bing pong ball. Sabres want a chance at another lottery win. Like it or not, this chatter will happen for the next 16 months.
THEN discussions of who won a trade (who cares) can be fairly articulated.

 

[Snippit]

Ehhh it's partly thinking Buffalo is not as good as they're playing right now, but more so thinking that the Blues will be a lot better than they are playing right now. Guess you could call it a bit of regression to the mean.

Looks like chances are good that the Blues keep their 2019 1st, so realistically we are talking about comparing BUF and STL's 2020 1sts. I like the Blues' chances, especially after potentially adding a top 10 pick. Certainly would not be willing to give up significant assets to recoup the Blues 2020 1st. Comparisons to the OTT and COL situation are way off.

Dahlin and Mittelstadt being a year older probably offsets any kind of regression