Speculation: Speculation: Trade Rumours and Proposals Part VI, Armchair GM Edition ‎

[Anglesmith]

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[Gritty]

With TSN coming out yesterday saying Myers was available with Detroit and Anaheim looking at him, I wonder what his value would be? He would be an interesting piece.

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

The Wings should pull the trigger, we should not. He would not come cheap. Look at what Leddy got, times that by 2.

 

[Anglesmith]

The Wings should pull the trigger, we should not. He would not come cheap. Look at what Leddy got, times that by 2.

I don't know about that. Myers hasn't proven as much. Since his rookie year it's been pretty rocky for him.

 

[1989]

EDIT: A quote from the main thread regarding Myers:

The Sabres' asking price was reportedly three players and a first-round draft pick.

Myers would shore up the Calgary bottom 4 regardless if he hasn't proven much. The way it works for him in Calgary is if he is willing to work with Hartley and as a willing teammate, he no longer has the expectations that he will be the franchise cornerstone defender in any way. And the kid is only 24 years old.

Plus, he is a right handed defenseman - with ONLY handedness into account, Calgary could potentially utilize pairings like:

Giordano-Myers
Brodie-Engelland/Wideman
Russell-Engelland/Wideman
Smid/Diaz

That's a respectable defense IMO. I'd still want to keep Giordano-Brodie as a pairing realistically but there's a lot more potential chemistry there with the addition of Myers.

The cost to acquire him is the question - but I would only be willing to see as high as a 2015 2nd, with M.Reinhart and Wotherspoon going back. Myers was even raised in Calgary... and we all know how much management loves that.

 

[SmellOfVictory]

EDIT: A quote from the main thread regarding Myers:



Myers would shore up the Calgary bottom 4 regardless if he hasn't proven much. The way it works for him in Calgary is if he is willing to work with Hartley and as a willing teammate, he no longer has the expectations that he will be the franchise cornerstone defender in any way. And the kid is only 24 years old.

Plus, he is a right handed defenseman - with ONLY handedness into account, Calgary could potentially utilize pairings like:

Giordano-Myers
Brodie-Engelland/Wideman
Russell-Engelland/Wideman
Smid/Diaz

That's a respectable defense IMO. I'd still want to keep Giordano-Brodie as a pairing realistically but there's a lot more potential chemistry there with the addition of Myers.

The cost to acquire him is the question - but I would only be willing to see as high as a 2015 2nd, with M.Reinhart and Wotherspoon going back. Myers was even raised in Calgary... and we all know how much management loves that.

misread

 

[Wheels of Poirier]

EDIT: A quote from the main thread regarding Myers:



Myers would shore up the Calgary bottom 4 regardless if he hasn't proven much. The way it works for him in Calgary is if he is willing to work with Hartley and as a willing teammate, he no longer has the expectations that he will be the franchise cornerstone defender in any way. And the kid is only 24 years old.

Plus, he is a right handed defenseman - with ONLY handedness into account, Calgary could potentially utilize pairings like:

Giordano-Myers
Brodie-Engelland/Wideman
Russell-Engelland/Wideman
Smid/Diaz

That's a respectable defense IMO. I'd still want to keep Giordano-Brodie as a pairing realistically but there's a lot more potential chemistry there with the addition of Myers.

The cost to acquire him is the question - but I would only be willing to see as high as a 2015 2nd, with M.Reinhart and Wotherspoon going back. Myers was even raised in Calgary... and we all know how much management loves that.

I agree that would be fair value for Myers (edit: not to mention, two pieces I could see being of high interest to BUF), but as good as the 2015 draft class is projected as, do you suppose Murray would balk at the 2nd? Would changing it to a 2016 1st do anything to add a bit more value, and if so, is that too high a price?

 

[1989]

There's no way the Flames should include their 2015 1st in any trades unless those trades somehow involve multiple 2015 1sts coming back to them. If they pick anywhere in the top 5 they're guaranteed to get a better player than Myers, and anywhere in the top 15 they're extremely likely to get a better player than Myers.

Good of you to share your opinion but I never offered the Flames' first, so... ?

I agree that would be fair value for Myers (edit: not to mention, two pieces I could see being of high interest to BUF), but as good as the 2015 draft class is projected as, do you suppose Murray would balk at the 2nd? Would changing it to a 2016 1st do anything to add a bit more value, and if so, is that too high a price?

It's too high a price. The Flames are only in year 2 of the rebuilding phase and realistically they won't be out of the bottom-10 for another 2-3 seasons if everything goes right.

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

I don't know about that. Myers hasn't proven as much. Since his rookie year it's been pretty rocky for him.

That's true, but moreso in a vacuum IMO. The Sabres are in no rush or have no need to deal him. I think they're dangling him to see if they can get a deal to improve their team, but if only if someone is willing to pony up and pay a premium. The Hawks needed to dump Leddy and still got a good return despite everyone in the league knowing their situation. Myers was actually very good last year and he's the Sabres top dman and he's not even in his prime yet, he's huge, he can skate, and score. He would not be cheap by any means.

 

[Gritty]

Good of you to share your opinion but I never offered the Flames' first, so... ?

Quite sure that was in response to this quote you posted not your proposal: "The Sabres' asking price was reportedly three players and a first-round draft pick."

 

[SmellOfVictory]

Quite sure that was in response to this quote you posted not your proposal: "The Sabres' asking price was reportedly three players and a first-round draft pick."

I wish. I actually misread his post.

 

[1989]

I wish. I actually misread his post.

It happens.

Quite sure that was in response to this quote you posted not your proposal: "The Sabres' asking price was reportedly three players and a first-round draft pick."

Get outta here, Feaster.

 

[Gritty]

Get outta here, Feaster.

SHUT UP! Someone here needs to bring a little intellectual honesty to these boards! I'm probably the best poster not in the NHL!

 

[Taranis]

That Gio thread in the main forums is ridiculous.

 

[InfinityIggy]

That Gio thread in the main forums is ridiculous.

All Gio related threads on the main boards are ridiculous.

 

[Taranis]

But seriously, every non-Calgary fan goes, hmmm top 15 number one d-man in the league... better offer spare parts that don't meet Flames needs.

 

[Calculon]

Myers isn't close to being worth what the Sabres will want for him. And even though they have a ton of quality defensive prospects, the fact that they're still giving up on him says a lot.

 

[Anglesmith]

But seriously, every non-Calgary fan goes, hmmm top 15 number one d-man in the league... better offer spare parts that don't meet Flames needs.

It's the same thing everyone does with trade proposals. If you think there's a guy you need, it's likely you will have to give up something else you think you need in order to get him.

But yeah, that thread...

When you put in the OP that you predict Gio would be on your second pairing, right away you've shown that you undervalue him.

 

[Johnny GODreau]

What about this,

to MTL:

LD Mark Gio @ 50% (2.01m)

to CGY:
1st round pick 2015
RW Mike McCarron
LD Jarred Tinordi
RD Dalton Thrower

too much? too little?

 

[YMCMBYOLO]

What about this,

to MTL:

LD Mark Gio @ 50% (2.01m)

to CGY:
1st round pick 2015
RW Mike McCarron
LD Jarred Tinordi
RD Dalton Thrower

too much? too little?

big no from TFG

 

[Buttonwood]

What about this,

to MTL:

LD Mark Gio @ 50% (2.01m)

to CGY:
1st round pick 2015
RW Mike McCarron
LD Jarred Tinordi
RD Dalton Thrower

too much? too little?

Too many pieces. If you move Giordano you move him for a piece, not pieces.

 

[Taranis]

I would think the starting price would be 1st round 2015 + top 3 potential d-man prospect.

 

[Calculon]

In a scenario in which Giordano has asked for a trade or is at least amenable to one, during this season (while his NTC is still active), and the Canadiens are on a list of teams he's willing to waive to, I'd want something around Emelin, Beaulieu, 2015 first round pick, 2016 2nd round pick/McCarron.

But I don't see the Flames moving Giordano unless a) they get an offer they can't refuse or b) Giordano has made it clear he's not interested in signing an extension this summer, which also happens to be when his NTC expires.

 

[Taranis]

But I don't see the Flames moving Giordano unless a) they get an offer they can't refuse or b) Giordano has made it clear he's not interested in signing an extension this summer, which also happens to be when his NTC expires.

Yeah I agree, trading Gio at this point would be essentially admitting to tanking the next two seasons at a minimum.

 

[Johnny GODreau]

I wouldn't trade Gio, but for sake of value I was wondering.