Injury Report: Shaw and Smith out for the season

[JaegerDice]

I apparently view SB more favorably than many of you, but I hated the Shaw move from the get-go.

Likewise.

The original Shaw trade felt like the kind of intelligent move that made this team great from 2013-2015. We have an asset, our success has raised the perceived value above the actual value, we’re going to sell high.

Then they trade for him back, when he’s older, more expensive, and with greater injury risk factor? It was lunacy. Bad decision the day it was made.

 

[TLEH]

I apparently view SB more favorably than many of you, but I hated the Shaw move from the get-go.

He’s done well with acquiring young talent through the draft and the euro scouts have been amazing, but how much is that even him?

I have been so disappointed with everything else, ability to navigate the cap, navigate the trade market. Their pro scouting has been terrible.

I just wonder how much is it him, how much is there pressure/ whispers from the 2 people above him on what to do. Rocky and McDonough sitting there saying we need playoffs? I sure hope not.

 

[Dr Salt]

that Shaw trade hurts, nothing against Shaw just the injuries, and a 2nd round pick in a very deep draft being dealt.

 

[x Tame Impala]

Yeah, but of those players, only De Haan was really making a significant, positive impact.

I'd argue we shouldn't have spent the cap or the assets on the likes of Smith, Shaw and Seabrook (obviously).

So it was bad management, and bad luck on top of it.

Not necessarily.

We only saw 26 games of Shaw. He was coming off a career year in MTL (paced for 61 points). Tough to definitively say Shaw wasn’t going to have a positive impact here.

Smith has had his ups and downs but not every bottom 6 guy can be a young player on an ELC or a Carpenter making $1m AAV. Sometimes these guys cost money and Smith has spent at least some of his time here as a Hawk being worth his contract.

I think we’re all in agreement that CdH was good here and we wish he was healthy. Seabrook is really the only one who was clearly playing well below his cap hit.

Bad management or not, I’ve been pretty dumbfounded as to why the Hawks are having ANOTHER bad season because looking at the roster going into training camp I saw a lot of talent. Some problems and holes, sure, but it seemed like Stan did a nice job of bringing in some depth to the team.

Maybe an under looked reason for that is by having ~$18.5 million in dead cap that’s nearly 23% of our cap space not being used and/or being misused through bad management.

 

[x Tame Impala]

I apparently view SB more favorably than many of you, but I hated the Shaw move from the get-go.

I loved it at first but in retrospect considering that Shaw missed 64 games in 3 seasons for MTL it should’ve been more of a red flag for Bowman. Shaw will have now missed 120 games in the last 4 seasons combined and honestly may never play again.

LTIR or not, that’s $3.9 million in dead cap space.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

I apparently view SB more favorably than many of you, but I hated the Shaw move from the get-go.

I couldn't stand the Shaw move. I think it was worse than the Joki/Nylander trade. At least that one had a bit of logic behind it.

The Hawks would have been better off holding on to Jokiharju, and trading their 2nd/3rd for Nylander. I said that this summer, later in the season, and I still believe it. Shaw was just a dumb, stupid move. I wasn't crazy about Jokiharju(and I still think he's a #4 at best), but he could have gained value as he proved himself further and the Hawks could have traded him this summer with a higher value attached.

I was always a proponent of taking a chance on players like Nylander and Puljujarvi last summer.

 

[Brightwing]

Nice to read about how well Andrew Shaw is doing. Especially that he recognizes there is more to life than hockey. Several reporters wrote about him. Both articles reference conversations with Colliton and I do wonder if it makes a difference for players to speak to someone who did call it quits when concussions got to be too much. I know there is a culture of play through the pain in hockey that is really detrimental for people's lives. Again, just glad Shaw is doing better and sounds so healthy and happy.

Lazarus ($): Andrew Shaw at peace with end of his career, but still fighting to stave it off

Pope: Healthy and rejuvenated, Andrew Shaw is once again bringing life to the Blackhawks

 

[ClydeLee]

Was reviving this the best way to post those.

 

[bwana63]

Was reviving this the best way to post those.

Gave me a start, for sure.

 

[x Tame Impala]

Was reviving this the best way to post those.

For real. This thread bump made me think Shaw was out all season again

 

[RememberTheRoar]

Was reviving this the best way to post those.

For real. This thread bump made me think Shaw was out all season again

Haha, same.

I immediately felt really bad for Shaw thinking he was out again

 

[Brightwing]

Sorry! Thought the polite thing to do was update existing threads. My bad. Still newish!

 

[Kevin Musto]

Sorry! Thought the polite thing to do was update existing threads. My bad. Still newish!

It is good to update threads when it's relevant so that there's not separate threads about the same thing.

But seeing "Shaw and Smith out for the season" on the front page definitely caught me off guard too

 

[JaegerDice]

I love Andrew Shaw, but I think he may honestly be the most overrated player of the entire 'dynasty'.

He was a good little bottom sixer that a certain subset of Blackhawks fans decided to hold up as a folk hero, and a certain coach tried to shoehorn into the top six at every opportunity.

When he was in the bottom 6, in limited minutes, on a cheap contract, he was a useful player. The Blackhawks traded him at exactly the right time and it should have been the last we saw of him in the Indianhead.

 

[RayP]

Sorry! Thought the polite thing to do was update existing threads. My bad. Still newish!

New season calls for new threads, if you ask me.

 

[Esq]

I love Andrew Shaw, but I think he may honestly be the most overrated player of the entire 'dynasty'.

He was a good little bottom sixer that a certain subset of Blackhawks fans decided to hold up as a folk hero, and a certain coach tried to shoehorn into the top six at every opportunity.

When he was in the bottom 6, in limited minutes, on a cheap contract, he was a useful player. The Blackhawks traded him at exactly the right time and it should have been the last we saw of him in the Indianhead.

Hard to overrate a 5th rounder who played in his draft year. Guy was a game changer when he could stay out of the box.

 

[Hinterland]

Hard to overrate a 5th rounder who played in his draft year. Guy was a game changer when he could stay out of the box.

Exactly. Shaw is a unique player and a legend. Too bad he's been dealing with these concussion problems lately.



Still heart broken this beauty didn't count

 

[Panzerspitze]

Sick move for a 2nd round pick Stan.

Wasn't it two 2nd rounders?

 

[Malaka]

I'm a Habs fan and I find the Shaw situation concerning. He had quite a few concussions in the last few years...

Sick move for a 2nd round pick Stan.

Wasn't it two 2nd rounders?

Enjoy Romanov... we sure could've used a LHD like that

 

[Hawkaholic]

Shaw most overrated .... lol

 

[ColbyChaos]

I love Andrew Shaw, but I think he may honestly be the most overrated player of the entire 'dynasty'.

He was a good little bottom sixer that a certain subset of Blackhawks fans decided to hold up as a folk hero, and a certain coach tried to shoehorn into the top six at every opportunity.

When he was in the bottom 6, in limited minutes, on a cheap contract, he was a useful player. The Blackhawks traded him at exactly the right time and it should have been the last we saw of him in the Indianhead.

Ok

 

[JaegerDice]

Shaw most overrated .... lol

If you believe he was anything more than a good bottom sixer on a value contract who was originally moved at the appropriate time, you’ve already overrated him.

You can appreciate what he brought while still recognizing where he fell in the pecking order. There are people who, to this day, feel Andrew Shaw was critical, irreplaceable, cant-win-without-him guy. Which is nonsense.

 

[ClydeLee]

If you believe he was anything more than a good bottom sixer on a value contract who was originally moved at the appropriate time, you’ve already overrated him.

You can appreciate what he brought while still recognizing where he fell in the pecking order. There are people who, to this day, feel Andrew Shaw was critical, irreplaceable, cant-win-without-him guy. Which is nonsense.

But you referred to putting him at 2nd line center as the obvious move that a certain coach should of done earlier. But he also should only be a bottom 6 player except to those who overrated him.

I find this funny in also contrast as another poster called Shaw underrated, yet he goes on to bemoan Shaw on the PP yet 1 of the only two top #3 PP years Shaw had lots of PP time and was continually better than anyone else in the PP role.

Maybe he is rated just fine exepct by people who don't like their own judgements?

 

[JaegerDice]

But you referred to putting him at 2nd line center as the obvious move that a certain coach should of done earlier. But he also should only be a bottom 6 player except to those who overrated him.

I find this funny in also contrast as another poster called Shaw underrated, yet he goes on to bemoan Shaw on the PP yet 1 of the only two top #3 PP years Shaw had lots of PP time and was continually better than anyone else in the PP role.

Maybe he is rated just fine exepct by people who don't like their own judgements?

I didn't bemoan Q not putting Shaw into the top 6 sooner. I bemoaned Q not taking Handzus out of the 2C role sooner. Those are two very different things. I think I was pretty clear that literally anybody, right down to the Black Aces, would have been better in that slot.

Literally anybody.

Regin was available as a 13th forward, they eventually went with Shaw.

Shaw isn't even a good center, but he fulfilled the criteria of 'literally anybody but michal handzus'.

Shaw's best work was as a bottom 6 winger who could make due as a bottom 6 center in a pinch. His absolute best was as a winger on an excellent 4th line in 2015, a line that had a lower cap hit combined than Shaw's current cap hit.

I don't think Shaw is particularly overrated on these forums, but these forums are not representative of Blackhawks fandom at large. There are legions of meatballs who think Shaw is an irreplaceable core piece that never should have been moved.

 

[GaryU]

I love Andrew Shaw, but I think he may honestly be the most overrated player of the entire 'dynasty'.

He was a good little bottom sixer that a certain subset of Blackhawks fans decided to hold up as a folk hero, and a certain coach tried to shoehorn into the top six at every opportunity.

When he was in the bottom 6, in limited minutes, on a cheap contract, he was a useful player. The Blackhawks traded him at exactly the right time and it should have been the last we saw of him in the Indianhead.

He did exactly what the Hawks needed. Should they have brought him back, no.