LeBrun: Sharks & Karlsson ''on same page'' to try and get a trade done

[Marc the Habs Fan]

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[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

I always assumed Karlsson would waive his NMC for any team interested enough to make an offer, didn't think that was the blocker.

 

[themelkman]

Not sure that was ever the question. The problem is the team trading for him

 

[razor ray]

4 more years at 11.5 per….be ready to retain as most teams who will want him are not going to have much room to fit him in unless another big contract goes back.

 

[Erep]

4 more years at 11.5 per….be ready to retain as most teams who will want him are not going to have much room to fit him in unless another big contract goes back.

I expect something in the range of $5mx2 coming back and a bit of retention, but if Orlov thinks he can get 8... who knows what is going to happen here.

 

[Ace]

They were on the same page last year. He wants out and they want him out. Being on the same page hasn’t been the issue.

 

[TheBeard]

4 more years at 11.5 per….be ready to retain as most teams who will want him are not going to have much room to fit him in unless another big contract goes back.

If the sharks get a decent return for him then I have no problems taking back a shorter term anchor in the process.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

Gallagher + Edmundson + 31

Doubt Gallagher waives though

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Takes two to tango on this. It's understandable why a team would balk at the contract but retention will soften that landing for them. It's whether they're willing to actually fork over real assets to get something done. It's not as if Edmonton's offer was all that great to begin with and I'm sure the Sharks will still end up landing a similar deal anyway.

Gallagher + Edmundson + 31

Doubt Gallagher waives though

Karlsson wants to compete. I can't imagine he waives for Montreal right now.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

Takes two to tango on this. It's understandable why a team would balk at the contract but retention will soften that landing for them. It's whether they're willing to actually fork over real assets to get something done. It's not as if Edmonton's offer was all that great to begin with and I'm sure the Sharks will still end up landing a similar deal anyway.


Karlsson wants to compete. I can't imagine he waives for Montreal right now.

What was the Oilers offer?

I do think Karlsson would waive for Montreal. He loved being in Ottawa and he had a fun rivalry with Subban in those days. RHD is Montreal's biggest hole and allstar level EK could get them into the playoffs, especially if they add PLD and a goalie as well.

Guhle-Karlsson
Matheson-Savard
Xhekaj-Barron
Harris-Kovacevic

 

[Pinkfloyd]

What was the Oilers offer?

I do think Karlsson would waive for Montreal. He loved being in Ottawa and he had a fun rivalry with Subban in those days. RHD is Montreal's biggest hole and allstar level EK could get them into the playoffs, especially if they add PLD and a goalie as well.

Guhle-Karlsson
Matheson-Savard
Xhekaj-Barron
Harris-Kovacevic

Depends on what you believe but it was thrown out there that an offer was Bouchard, Bourgault, Puljujarvi, Barrie, and a 1st for Karlsson with retention. I'm not convinced that Montreal is ready for that sort of attempt but I'd be willing to move him there if Montreal was willing to part with something worthwhile and Karlsson was willing. For me, I'm only dealing with who Karlsson would approve going to. Last thing the Sharks need is a lingering Karlsson thing after the season he had. He's earned a trade off the team and the Sharks need to make it work even if it means taking less than expected.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

Depends on what you believe but it was thrown out there that an offer was Bouchard, Bourgault, Puljujarvi, Barrie, and a 1st for Karlsson with retention. I'm not convinced that Montreal is ready for that sort of attempt but I'd be willing to move him there if Montreal was willing to part with something worthwhile and Karlsson was willing. For me, I'm only dealing with who Karlsson would approve going to. Last thing the Sharks need is a lingering Karlsson thing after the season he had. He's earned a trade off the team and the Sharks need to make it work even if it means taking less than expected.

Oh I think the Sharks should have taken that. I don't know if Montreal has any appealing pieces for a swap like that, I thought the framework would be a couple less significant cap dumps and a couple good pieces.

Pulju and Barrie both only had 1 year left, so wouldn't have impacted the Sharks cap long term. Bouchard, Bourgault, and a 1st is a good package on its own.

EDIT: I thought you said "no retention" but point still stands as long as it was like 15% and not 50%

 

[EXTRAS]

Like...Sharks need a full rebuild. They should just retain half and get a monster package. That cap is gonna be pretty useless for them the next few years anyway.

 

[Talik Sanis]

Like...Sharks need a full rebuild. They should just retain half and get a monster package. That cap is gonna be pretty useless for them the next few years anyway.

That's all well and good from a team-building perspective, but is ownership willing to swallow that pill considering costs?

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

Like...Sharks need a full rebuild. They should just retain half and get a monster package. That cap is gonna be pretty useless for them the next few years anyway.

Tough sell to get an owner to spend 20 million on nothing over the next 4 years

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

That's gonna be a gross amount of retention for SJ

 

[ScottyK]

Dbl retention deal ?

 

[EXTRAS]

Tough sell to get an owner to spend 20 million on nothing over the next 4 years

If they keep him while not competing they are basically spending 40m on nothing

 

[Neutrinos]

Bouchard just put up 17 points in 12 playoff games, and is an RFA in need of a new contract

Unless the Sharks are willing to take back Campbell, Ceci, and Yamamoto as part of the deal, I'm not sure the Oilers should be in on Karlsson

 

[Oddbob]

This is news? He of course doesn't want to rebuild, and they of course don't want to pay him.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Takes two to tango on this. It's understandable why a team would balk at the contract but retention will soften that landing for them. It's whether they're willing to actually fork over real assets to get something done. It's not as if Edmonton's offer was all that great to begin with and I'm sure the Sharks will still end up landing a similar deal anyway.


Karlsson wants to compete. I can't imagine he waives for Montreal right now.

But how much would they retain?

Even if they dropped it to say 9 million that's still A LOT of money considering he has 4 years left.

 

[ManofSteel55]

I think 50% retention has to be on the table here, doesn't it?

Karlsson at 6M per year

For

Ceci
Yamamoto
2024 1st round pick
2023 2nd round pick
Xavier Bourgault

This is of course considering that San Jose isn't going to try to wait out suitors until the deadline of course.

Edmonton's Blueline

Nurse - Karlsson
Ekholm - Bouchard
Kulak - Broberg/Desharnais

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

Depends on what you believe but it was thrown out there that an offer was Bouchard, Bourgault, Puljujarvi, Barrie, and a 1st for Karlsson with retention. I'm not convinced that Montreal is ready for that sort of attempt but I'd be willing to move him there if Montreal was willing to part with something worthwhile and Karlsson was willing. For me, I'm only dealing with who Karlsson would approve going to. Last thing the Sharks need is a lingering Karlsson thing after the season he had. He's earned a trade off the team and the Sharks need to make it work even if it means taking less than expected.

There is no chance SJ declined that offer if true.

 

[fasterthanlight]

Hot take: sharks can retain like 4M. Karlsson at 7.5x4 is a steal. On the open market if EK65 was UFA this summer, someone would give him 9x4.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

If San Jose likes 2 players likely at 4, they could use this to move back with the Habs retaining on Karlsson. Stiff price, but if the Habs like someone that much...

Habs have 1 retention spot left before they reset at June 30th/July 1st