GDT: Sens in Nashville, Tues. 8:00 pm, TSN5

[Super Cake]

If we are going to lose, might as well lose big just to show Murray that our defense sucks.

 

[TheNewEra]

Cameron: "everybody seems to be on 46 (Wiercioch). He's the whipping boy. But if you watch the games it's not just 46." #sens

... WAIT WHAT

 

[Super Cake]

It is true that it is not just Weircioch, but he still has been one of the worst defenseman for the Sens so far this season.

 

[Larionov]

Shane Prince has zero goals and three assists in 11 games so far this year. He is not particularly big and physical, so if he's not generating some offence, he's not helping you. He simply has to find a way to put the puck in the net once in a while. Heck, even Lazar got a goal last night.

At some point, you go from prospect to suspect and someone else gets their chance. Prince may be rapidly approaching that time.

 

[topshelf15]

Shane Prince has zero goals and three assists in 11 games so far this year. He is not particularly big and physical, so if he's not generating some offence, he's not helping you. He simply has to find a way to put the puck in the net once in a while. Heck, even Lazar got a goal last night.

At some point, you go from prospect to suspect and someone else gets their chance. Prince may be rapidly approaching that time.

We are 5th in the east for goals for ,offense hasnt been an issue .How about we get rid of the pylon we have in weircoch and try something else

 

[God Says No]

Shane Prince has zero goals and three assists in 11 games so far this year. He is not particularly big and physical, so if he's not generating some offence, he's not helping you. He simply has to find a way to put the puck in the net once in a while. Heck, even Lazar got a goal last night.

At some point, you go from prospect to suspect and someone else gets their chance. Prince may be rapidly approaching that time.

Really? He's played a grand total of 14 NHL games and you think he's approaching suspect status? I think that's way too premature. If that was the case for most prospects then Hoffman, Lazar, Karlsson etc wouldn't be with the team right now.

 

[topshelf15]

Really? He's played a grand total of 14 NHL games and you think he's approaching suspect status? I think that's way too premature. If that was the case for most prospects then Hoffman, Lazar, Karlsson etc wouldn't be with the team right now.

How about we bench guys like Neil and Weircoch and be done with it

 

[DrEasy]

How about we bench guys like Neil and Weircoch and be done with it

That's way too creative for Cameron.

 

[topshelf15]

That's way too creative for Cameron.

Thinking BM may be in on this as well ,cant have all that money on the bench now

 

[DrEasy]

In any case, we have 3 defenders that only 1 of the 3 should be on the active roster at a time. The answer is easy, the solution is hard. We need a top 4 LD. If we get that, again easier said than done, we should look like this:

Methot - Karl
top4 LD - Ceci
Cowen - Wideman

extra: Wier, Boro

Wier and Boro can then go in if any of Cowen, Wideman or Ceci struggle.

I'd go further; we need two D:

Methot - Karlsson
top 4 LD - top 4 RD
Cowen - Ceci

I'm not sold on Wideman either, basically.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Boro karl
2nd pairing
Methot-wideman?

I like the concept of playing Methot with someone else to spread the little wealth at the position we have.

It could be Cowen , Karl
Methot Ceci
Boro, Wideman

We shuffle that around and 9/10 times we will conclude we need another D that can play.

I have liked Wideman... I think he should be drawing into the lineup. Not sure what DC and his boss are thinking about that.

 

[topshelf15]

I'd go further; we need two D:

Methot - Karlsson
top 4 LD - top 4 RD
Cowen - Ceci

I'm not sold on Wideman either, basically.

I can live with Ceci in the top 4 ,providing we get him a good veteran LHD to play with .It would make sheltering the 3rd pair much easier

 

[Larionov]

Really? He's played a grand total of 14 NHL games and you think he's approaching suspect status? I think that's way too premature. If that was the case for most prospects then Hoffman, Lazar, Karlsson etc wouldn't be with the team right now.

Everyone has to bring something to the party, though. All of those guys you mentioned had something - skating, skills with the puck, high energy, etc. - that they could contribute before they started producing offensively. What does Prince bring? If he was getting the chances, as Hoffman was before he started scoring, I would say give him a chance, but his shots on goal aren't high either. Last night Prince had one shot on goal in a 7-5 pond hockey game. Honestly, I just don't see what all the fuss is about this guy. When I look at Prince I see a career AHLer.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Don't worry folks. TSN 1200 reporting that Prince is the odd man out at practice and that defensive pairings are back to normal with Wideman being the 7th.

Prince's fault then

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Bobby, you need to receive that pass with your stick, man. Enough with the fancy feet.

I thought this too when it happened .. Then I thought I was being overly critical, likely due to some Ryanstone cowboy.. But now I know I wasn't.

 

[topshelf15]

Everyone has to bring something to the party, though. All of those guys you mentioned had something - skating, skills with the puck, high energy, etc. - that they could contribute before they started producing offensively. What does Prince bring? If he was getting the chances, as Hoffman was before he started scoring, I would say give him a chance, but his shots on goal aren't high either. Last night Prince had one shot on goal in a 7-5 pond hockey game. Honestly, I just don't see what all the fuss is about this guy. When I look at Prince I see a career AHLer.

The problem is that on this team, him sitting ranks pretty low .On the to do list.

Because when most look at Wiercoch whom has played far more than Prince has in a far greater role. most cant see an ECHL defender ,let alone a nhl defender

 

[DrEasy]

Everyone has to bring something to the party, though. All of those guys you mentioned had something - skating, skills with the puck, high energy, etc. - that they could contribute before they started producing offensively. What does Prince bring? If he was getting the chances, as Hoffman was before he started scoring, I would say give him a chance, but his shots on goal aren't high either. Last night Prince had one shot on goal in a 7-5 pond hockey game. Honestly, I just don't see what all the fuss is about this guy. When I look at Prince I see a career AHLer.

He's certainly playing too shy and peripheral at the moment, but he's shown some great vision. At this point he needs people to create some space for him, which Neil did on the 4th line and Ziba should be doing for him on the 2nd line. Having him play with Turris and Stone was a mistake IMO.

It's always an unknown as to whether guys like him will eventually get to play with the confidence that solidifies them as top 6 players. I think it was the same issue with DaCosta too. In both cases I'd preach more patience. Give them some minutes with the same linemates and some opportunity for some chemistry. It doesn't always pay off, but it did for Hoffman.

 

[Alex1234]

What do we lose in trying Chabot for 10 games?

 

[topshelf15]

What do we lose in trying Chabot for 10 games?

One year off his ELC ,bringing up him at this age isnt something we should be doing anyhow

 

[Larionov]

Now that Chabot has been returned to junior, the rules state that he could only come here as an emergency call up, or when his junior season ends. Besides, let's not ruin the kid - he can't save our season on his own, and we would risk his development by throwing him into a bad situation.

 

[bert]

Shane Prince has zero goals and three assists in 11 games so far this year. He is not particularly big and physical, so if he's not generating some offence, he's not helping you. He simply has to find a way to put the puck in the net once in a while. Heck, even Lazar got a goal last night.

At some point, you go from prospect to suspect and someone else gets their chance. Prince may be rapidly approaching that time.

Lazar On the PP......... Prince should have been on in the first place. He has created a **** ton more than Lazar who has been a line killer. Honestly your take makes me think you havent watched much or at all. Prince has been fantastic on the back check too.

 

[BonkTastic]

What do we lose in trying Chabot for 10 games?

Man, don't bring Chabot into this mess.

We don't want to shell-shock the kid. This defensive corps is liable to give him PTSD as an 18 year old. We want him to develop, not have to spend his Thursday afternoons with a councilor.

 

[Engineer]

One year off his ELC ,bringing up him at this age isnt something we should be doing anyhow

2 years on his ELC actually, hes 18. Eligible for 2 slides.

He can get a 9 game test with no penalty though.

 

[God Says No]

Lazar On the PP......... Prince should have been on in the first place. He has created a **** ton more than Lazar who has been a line killer. Honestly your take makes me think you havent watched much or at all. Prince has been fantastic on the back check too.

That's my feeling as well. Although he hasn't scored any goals and only had a couple of assists, I think he's played very well. Both offensively and defensively.

Just have a look how many times he wins the puck. He's the exact forward that the Zib line needs. He's also had a number of great chances to score but the puck hasn't gone in. If he wasn't doing anything, as you seem to suggest, I'd have no issue in him sitting. But I'd argue that he's actually looked better than Puempel. The only Puempel has on him is that lone goal.

I'm starting to think it's your bias speaking here more than anything. This is eerily similar to conversations I had in the past 2 years about Hoffman with certain posters. (Before he started scoring last year) They were seeing what they wanted to see and ignoring the positive things he was doing on the ice.

Edit: BTW this is not directed at you Bert, but Hale the Villain.

 

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