Salary Cap: Salary Cap & Roster Building - Locked in until July

[TimmyD]

With ZAR being hurt I would bring Simon back up ( just to have some extra skill in the lineup) and run with

Guentzel Sid Simon
Hagelin Malkin Hornqvist
Rust Brassard Kessel
Sheary Sheahan Jooris

 

[Riptide]

With ZAR being hurt I would bring Simon back up ( just to have some extra skill in the lineup) and run with

Guentzel Sid Simon
Hagelin Malkin Hornqvist
Rust Brassard Kessel
Sheary Sheahan Jooris

That would be using 2 of our 3 call up's (Jarry I think is on emergency loan and doesn't count - although that could quickly change if MM is out for any length of time).

I think until the POs we're stuck with Rowney. So for the rest of the RS... it's pretty much a guarantee that CR/Kuhn will be playing nightly - especially with ZAR out. But I guess that answers all the bitching about why Kuhn dressed lastnight after how well ZAR had done.

I could see 1 of Simon/Sprong brought up... but that's probably being a little ambitious. JJ is a more likely candidate due to his versatility - and even he will likely take time to get that nod.

 

[Tom Hanks]

With ZAR being hurt I would bring Simon back up ( just to have some extra skill in the lineup) and run with

Guentzel Sid Simon
Hagelin Malkin Hornqvist
Rust Brassard Kessel
Sheary Sheahan Jooris

The only thing is he hasn’t been playing well and L1 gets hard match ups no matter what. Sheary should play better with those linemates. I’d mix it up a bit more. Use Simon more to create pressure/forecheck instead of him bringing it up the ice (he’s turning it over a bit).

Guentzel Sid Hornqvist
Hagelin Malkin Rust
Simon Brassard Kessel
Sheary Sheahan JJ/Kuhnhackl/Rowney

 

[RizzleMcRib]

The only thing is he hasn’t been playing well and L1 gets hard match ups no matter what. Sheary should play better with those linemates. I’d mix it up a bit more. Use Simon more to create pressure/forecheck instead of him bringing it up the ice (he’s turning it over a bit).

Guentzel Sid Hornqvist
Hagelin Malkin Rust
Simon Brassard Kessel
Sheary Sheahan Jooris

I'm wanting to see Jooris in place of Rowney also.

 

[Tom Hanks]

I'm wanting to see Jooris in place of Rowney also.

I edited it to be either Jooris/Rowney/Kuhnhackl.

Jooris will have to play at some point but there’s the cap being tight. They could send down Rowney, he wouldn’t be claimed. Kuhnhackl may though. Although if ZAR LTIR that helps cap wise.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

That would be using 2 of our 3 call up's (Jarry I think is on emergency loan and doesn't count - although that could quickly change if MM is out for any length of time).

I think until the POs we're stuck with Rowney. So for the rest of the RS... it's pretty much a guarantee that CR/Kuhn will be playing nightly - especially with ZAR out. But I guess that answers all the *****ing about why Kuhn dressed lastnight after how well ZAR had done.

I could see 1 of Simon/Sprong brought up... but that's probably being a little ambitious. JJ is a more likely candidate due to his versatility - and even he will likely take time to get that nod.

I think I just realized Sullivan's reason for playing Carter Rowney.

He heard all the complaints about Kuhnhackl, and so to deflect all the anger about Kuhnhackl dressing away from him, he's playing Rowney regularly so the fans suddenly aren't so against Kuhnhackl dressing any longer.

It's kind of worked on me. I'm at the point where I'm relenting on Kuhnhackl dressing as the PK specialist, just as long as Rowney doesn't dress.

As Fleury would say, "Sneaky, Sneaky, Sully".

 

[Riptide]

I edited it to be either Jooris/Rowney/Kuhnhackl.

Jooris will have to play at some point but there’s the cap being tight. They could send down Rowney, he wouldn’t be claimed. Kuhnhackl may though. Although if ZAR LTIR that helps cap wise.

I don't even think it's cap related, but call up related. We get 3 call up's between now and the end of the season. Jarry might be one of those if MM isn't "healthy" by later this week. Someone will likely get called up to be the 13th guy. Maybe we get lucky and it'll be Sprong/Simon and Kuhn can sit (because we all know Rowney will get in due to him being a C)... or perhaps JJ gets the call up, and we can sit Rowney... idk. But I think we need to set some realistic expectations as to what to expect over the next 6 weeks. I just can't see us calling up multiple young guys at this point in time - not unless we have a string of injuries. Stupid 3 call up rule.

 

[RizzleMcRib]

This whole time I thought it meant that this thread was locked until July.

 

[Riptide]

This whole time I thought it meant that this thread was locked until July.

God that would be boring!

 

[Shaffer]

I do see what Kirk was saying about Crosby’s right wing now. We have NO ONE comfortable there, considering that Hornqvist will stay with Malkin(and other reasons), Rust is normally a really bad fit with Crosby, Sheary absolutely sucks right now, Simon blows, Sprong will be in the minors forever, and ZAR is out longer term(even though he should be w/ Brassard). Zuccarello or Domi in the offseason

 

[Brandinho]

I do see what Kirk was saying about Crosby’s right wing now. We have NO ONE comfortable there, considering that Hornqvist will stay with Malkin(and other reasons), Rust is normally a really bad fit with Crosby, Sheary absolutely sucks right now, Simon blows, Sprong will be in the minors forever, and ZAR is out longer term(even though he should be w/ Brassard). Zuccarello or Domi in the offseason

Would love Domi. Hard pass on Zuccarello.

 

[Shaffer]

Would love Domi. Hard pass on Zuccarello.

I wouldn’t pass on Zuccarello, unless the asking price is ridiculous. If they ask Jarry and a 2nd for Zuccarello, I’ll consider it. If they ask Bellerive, Jarry, and a 1st, goodbye.
Note: He is a UFA in 2019.

 

[Brandinho]

I wouldn’t pass on Zuccarello, unless the asking price is ridiculous. If they ask Jarry and a 2nd for Zuccarello, I’ll consider it. If they ask Bellerive, Jarry, and a 1st, goodbye.
Note: He is a UFA in 2019.

He's not a bad player by any means, but there are a number of reasons that I have no interest.

1) Age
2) Subpar playoff history
3) Cost to acquire + cost to re-sign (unless you view him strictly as a rental)
4) Not the skill set that we need IMO

Domi will be more expensive, but rightfully so. He checks a ton of boxes for us that Zuccarello simply can't.

 

[Shaffer]

He's not a bad player by any means, but there are a number of reasons that I have no interest.

1) Age
2) Subpar playoff history
3) Cost to acquire + cost to re-sign
4) Not the skill set that we need IMO

Domi will be more expensive, but rightfully so. He checks a ton of boxes for us that Zuccarello simply can't.

1) Age shouldn’t matter in any trade. The player/contract status/cost to acquire is what matters.
2) 0.5 PPG isn’t too bad. It ain’t good, but he’s produced at a consistent rate in the playoffs so far in his career(about 0.5 PPG every playoff). You’ve got to believe playing with Crosby will do him some good.
3) Cost to acquire is the biggest reason why I would possibly say no. I don’t even know what the ask could potentially be. Cost to resign? Well Hornqvist just signed for 5.3x5, so Zuccarello will (probably) get around the same. If we trade Sheary in the offseason and Rust doesn’t break the bank, it could work.
4) Not the skill set? He’s a PERFECT fit for Crosby. Speedy, great vision, great shot, etc.

 

[Brandinho]

1) Age shouldn’t matter in any trade. The player/contract status/cost to acquire is what matters.
2) 0.5 PPG isn’t too bad. It ain’t good, but he’s produced at a consistent rate in the playoffs so far in his career(about 0.5 PPG every playoff). You’ve got to believe playing with Crosby will do him some good.
3) Cost to acquire is the biggest reason why I would possibly say no. I don’t even know what the ask could potentially be. Cost to resign? Well Hornqvist just signed for 5.3x5, so Zuccarello will (probably) get around the same. If we trade Sheary in the offseason and Rust doesn’t break the bank, it could work.
4) Not the skill set? He’s a PERFECT fit for Crosby. Speedy, great vision, great shot, etc.

1) Unless you're looking at someone strictly as a rental, age absolutely matters. How much it matters is situational, but I cannot comprehend how you could say it shouldn't matter in any trade.
2) 0.5 PPG is pretty bad. We're talking about a guy who you admit will probably cost as much as Horny and he scores at a 0.5 PPG rate in the playoffs with a crisp shooting % of 8.7.
3) How many players can we afford to give $5+ million contracts to? What is the opportunity cost of doing so? Horny is a different situation because there is literally nobody else that we could feasibly acquire who does what he does.
4) A lot of players would fit with Crosby. Zuccarello has a narrow set of skills that are excellent. I want a more complete player.

 

[Shaffer]

1) Unless you're looking at someone strictly as a rental, age absolutely matters. How much it matters is situational, but I cannot comprehend how you could say it shouldn't matter in any trade.
2) 0.5 PPG is pretty bad. We're talking about a guy who you admit will probably cost as much as Horny and he scores at a 0.5 PPG rate in the playoffs with a crisp shooting % of 8.7.
3) How many players can we afford to give $5+ million contracts to? What is the opportunity cost of doing so? Horny is a different situation because there is literally nobody else that we could feasibly acquire who does what he does.
4) A lot of players would fit with Crosby. Zuccarello has a narrow set of skills that are excellent. I want a more complete player.

1) Zuccarello would be a rental.
2) Gee, I didn’t know 41 points in a season is bad. Also, he would be playing with Crosby here. He will do better here because he won’t need to be one of the top guys.
3) I never said that we should resign him, but you brought up the resign cost.
4) More complete player? I question if you even have watched Zuccarello play. He’s very complete.

 

[Zirakzigil]

Teams get 4 call ups not 3. Jarry isn’t one, he’s an emergency call up and can stay up as long as Murray is not healthy enough to dress.

 

[Brandinho]

1) Zuccarello would be a rental.
2) Gee, I didn’t know 41 points in a season is bad. Also, he would be playing with Crosby here. He will do better here because he won’t need to be one of the top guys.
3) I never said that we should resign him, but you brought up the resign cost.
4) More complete player? I question if you even have watched Zuccarello play. He’s very complete.

1) Okay, then say that from the beginning. My first post had the qualifier "unless you view him as a rental".
2) Bad is relative. When a guy who scores at a 0.69 PPG pace during the regular season becomes a 0.52 PPG player in the playoffs, that's cause for concern.
3) Because your post was vague, that's on you.
4) Haha, what a stupid thing to say. Yeah, I've never watched a guy who has spent his entire career playing for a division rival. Good talk.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Zuccarello's proof that Sheary has no excuse for how weak on his skates he is, and how bad defensively he is.

 

[billybudd]

Zuccarello doesn't look the same to me as he used to. Might be age, might be brain damage.

 

[Tom Hanks]

Zuccarello doesn't look the same to me as he used to. Might be age, might be brain damage.

You or Zuccarello

 

[Riptide]

Zucc's would be a good add... but not for what he will cost. I wouldn't move Jarry+ for him next season. Honestly, I'd try to find a way to move on from Sheary (ARI/Panik, EDM/??, BUF/Grigs/Antipin, etc) and then I'd just keep trying to add some depth.

On the blueline, there's two tiers I'd look at depending on what's happening with Hunwick. If he stays, I'd look at the dirt cheap guys who could be decent adds - basically more Ruhwedel's. If he goes, then I'd look a little above that as guys who might be cheapish, but can play and maybe replace some of what we lost in Cole.

- Emelin, Sbisa, Hickey, Holden, Rutta
- Folin, Chorney, C.Wideman, Sproul, Barberio

Up front other than a 5C/4L replacement of Rowney (who I really hope we let go), there's very little there that makes much sense. Maybe Jooris or Dowd/Wagner. One really interesting target is Peca. Kid is 24 and will be a FA due to games played with TB. Good AHL numbers (has 7pts in 20 NHL games), and is a good in the circle (208 FOs, 52.6%). Just small at 5.8/175. There's a few others who could be our new Rowneys (younger and hopefully more skilled). I'd kick tires there.

There will be your typical depth wingers, but unless they come cheap enough to make sense, I'd pass on them. But contract depending, guys like Pouliot, Calvert and Comeau would hold some interest. But I'm talking at a sub 1m contract.

Guentzel - Crosby - Hornqvist/Rust
Hagelin - Malkin - Hornqvist/Rust
XXXXX - Brassard - Kessel
VVVVV - Sheahan - YYYYY
depth C we don't mind scratching nightly (Jooris would be perfect for this role)
Kuhnhackl (yes I'd keep him if he signs his QO of ~725k).

YYY : Needs to be your 5C guy who can PK. Basically your Rowney replacement. TB has the 18/19 season before waivers are required, so at the bare minimum, he should get some games to see where he's at. Peca would also be a nice fit here if he hits FA. Otherwise find someone who adds something different (Grigs?) and who can fill that PK C2 spot, and still play - who we will actually play.

XXX: Some combo of whatever you got for Sheary... or your skilled guys like Sprong/Simon (both who need waivers). Move Rust around as needed depending on how the lines sort out.

VVV: Someone ideally with speed and a little grit to their game, and who PKs so we're not dependent on Kuhn. ZAR would work, or an FA like Pouliot/Comeau/Calvert if the contract is right. But I want to see more speed/2way play in the lineup. And while I don't mind ZAR there, depending on how many legitimate options we have behind him if he doesn't pan out (are guys like DiPauli, Johnson, Tiffels, Lindberg, etc ready?) then I do not really mind looking at FAs for that role. I just want to be sure that we have at least 1 roster spot that is not completely set in stone, so that we're not entirely dependent on injuries to fill it. In 15/16 and 16/17 we had enough injuries that we got some good looks at other guys. We didn't have that this year - which is great, but it's also a pain in the sense that we do not know exactly where some of our kids are at.

 

[Peat]

I wouldn’t pass on Zuccarello, unless the asking price is ridiculous. If they ask Jarry and a 2nd for Zuccarello, I’ll consider it. If they ask Bellerive, Jarry, and a 1st, goodbye.
Note: He is a UFA in 2019.

We shouldn't send out Jarry for any player who's going to be here for only 1 year; not unless its someone like Karlsson, or Doughty on 50pc retained. He's needed and is shaping up to be a better value trade chip than that down the line.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

I think I would go with Simon-Crosby-Sheary for the first line, Sid needs the give-and-go types and Sheary needs to be in a give-and-go type of situation because that kid can't carry the puck worth shit and taking that option away from him with Sid and Simon could benefit him, especially on the right side. Go back to Jake & Kessel as wingers on a line but with Brassard making life easier. The 4th line would greatly benefit from a Kuhnhackl-Sheahan-Rust pairing to just take away Rowney and his gaping black hole of suckitude at hockey.

Hagelin, Malkin, Hornqvist
Simon, Crosby, Sheary
Guentzel, Brassard, Kessel
Kuhnhackl, Sheahan, Rust

Please Sullivan, just this one time, be cool...

 

[wej20]

NHL Salary Cap: $80,000,000
Cap Hit: $78,467,500
Cap Space: $1,532,500

Guentzel (0.734) - Crosby (8.7) - Hornqvist (5.3)
Hagelin (4.0) - Malkin (9.5) - Sprong (0.8)
Sheary (3.0) - Brassard (3.0) - Kessel (6.8)
Simon (0.8) - Sheahan (2.5) - Rust (2.5)
Rowney (0.75)

Dumoulin (4.1) - Letang (7.5)
Maatta (4.08) - Schultz (5.5)
Hunwick (2.25) - Oleksiak (1.5)
Ruhwedel (0.65)

Murray (3.75)
Jarry (1.0)

UFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Rowney, Carter	1	$750,000

[TBODY] [/TBODY]
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

RFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Jarry, Tristan	2	$1,000,000
Simon, Dominik	2	$800,000
Sprong, Daniel	2	$800,000
Sheahan, Riley	3	$2,500,000
Oleksiak, Jamie	2	$1,500,000
Rust, Bryan	4	$2,500,000

[TBODY] [/TBODY]
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Could see Sprong pushing for a 1 year deal as he thinks he'll blow up next year once he's in the NHL. Given Jarry 2 years would mean he comes up for renewal at the same time as Murray, which probably isn't ideal but I doubt he'd sign a 3 year deal. If we dump Hunwick then I'd consider giving Oleksiak a 3 year deal.

If the cap goes up to 80 million we should be able to fit everyone in, if it goes to 78 then we probably need to move Sheary (If he has a strong playoff run it might be wise to move him anyway.)

Hagelin and Brassard would both be coming off the books in Summer 19 so that would give us some space for Guentzel's raise. We could probably afford to bring back one along with Guentzel and then the only other spots we'd need to fill in Summer 19 would be 4th line/13th forward and 7th dmen.