Value of: Ryan Strome to Minnesota

[Ice Mammoth]

No, I understand what the argument was and what the garbage afterward has become. Talking in circles with cliches isn't disguising the fact that you're wrong, have been wrong and always will be wrong in your stance.

Like I told you before, maybe you should have done your homework and you wouldn't have to embarrass yourself like this.



The lack of support speaks volumes.



Talk about irony.


Ending a discussion and rambling on as you have trying to get potshots shrouded in unnecessarily tacky vernacular in because of your inability to swallow your pride and control your anger is not my problem.

Stop acting like a victim, you're not. Also, stop trying to be an intellectual. It's not working.



Your inability to understand how statistics work is evidenced by your ignorance of the same statistics you continue to point to that actually discredit your argument.



Speaking of movie references, I feel like the kid in Wedding Crashers right now "Make me a bicycle, clown!"

It's too easy.



I thought the above was ironic, holy shit, you've managed to outdo yourself.



I've grown bored with you though. The same generic responses with nothing to show otherwise. Your 2nd response shows that your on-tilt, to say the least. Maybe one day, you'll understand.

“No, I understand what the argument was and what the garbage afterward has become. Talking in circles with cliches isn't disguising the fact that you're wrong, have been wrong and always will be wrong in your stance. “
A good example of unsubstantiated argumentation. Erroneous conclusions due to logical errors.

“Like I told you before, maybe you should have done your homework and you wouldn't have to embarrass yourself like this“.
I like this phrase better. There is no absolute certainty. Perhaps there is hope for a fix.

The following example from your last comment is given in full:
You wrote - “No one gives a shit about your vernacular or your cliches on here“.
I wrote - “Again, an unambiguous verdict. The phrase perfectly shows your high level of development.
Have you got the right to speak for everyone? I missed this on the news.“
You wrote - “The lack of support speaks volumes“.
A wonderful phrase! “The lack of support speaks volumes“!
Perhaps you feel like you have a crowd of invisible friends behind you. I forgot what the diagnosis was. You never cease to amaze and delight me.

In a past comment, I quoted it. He argues with himself.
One - "Granlund isn't a center"
Other - "Granlund has been on the wing for the majority of the last few years"
He probably pondered for a long time how to answer.
“Ending a discussion and rambling on as you have trying to get potshots shrouded in unnecessarily tacky vernacular in because of your inability to swallow your pride and control your anger is not my problem“.
This is the answer. With a very deep meaning?

“Your inability to understand how statistics work is evidenced by your ignorance of the same statistics you continue to point to that actually discredit your argument.“
Finally, one phrase related to hockey. What hockey statistics websites does my opponent visit?
Where does he get his hockey statistics? Possibly on: xVideos, PornHub, xHamster, Brazzers? I have visited these sites, but with a different purpose.
I advise my friend to visit the sites: sportsnet, tsn, espn, capfriendly, dailyfaceoff, puckpedia, yahoo, hockeydb, hockeyviz, naturalstattrick, nhl, hockey-reference ……. There are many other NHL information sites. And make the right conclusions from the information received.

“I've grown bored with you though“.
Don't be bored. I'm having fun with you.
“The same generic responses with nothing to show otherwise“.
Ask another question and you will get a different answer.
“Your 2nd response shows that your on-tilt, to say the least“.
Too general phrase.
“Maybe one day, you'll understand“.
Apart from the context, I agree. We will all understand something and someday.

Hang on my friend. I believe in you.
Each of your new comments gives more data. Allows you to eliminate statistical errors.
Shows the level of development with maximum accuracy.

I thought our comments were reminiscent of the NHL playoff series.
My friend, the winner is determined, the series has ended long ago.
All of our new comments only add to the statistics on ended games.
I look forward to your next comment.
Good luck and creative thoughts.

 

[Ice Mammoth]

An appeal to the readers of this controversy.

Do I understand the pointlessness of further dispute. Yes, I understand that. Already pointed this out in the comments. There are different people on the forum. Not everyone can respond to unreasoned attacks.

My opponent continues to show his level of development. It's good. With the next attacks in another topic, it will be enough to insert a picture from his comment. This will save you time.

You saw my discussion with other users. This dispute ended within reasonable limits. We disagreed, but treated each other with respect.

I liked the comment # 116. I gave him a like.
“This whole thread is like watching people taking turns chatting with a brick wall. And for a short time two brick walls talk to each other”

My opponent does not understand the hints that it is high time to end the argument. His choice - let him continue.
I will respond to every comment he makes in this thread. No problem, it's easy for me.

I will try to get the best out of this correspondence. I will make an additional comment on the hockey topic.
Good luck to everyone and patience with this idiocy dispute.

 

[Nothingbutglass]

An appeal to the readers of this controversy.

Do I understand the pointlessness of further dispute. Yes, I understand that. Already pointed this out in the comments. There are different people on the forum. Not everyone can respond to unreasoned attacks.

My opponent continues to show his level of development. It's good. With the next attacks in another topic, it will be enough to insert a picture from his comment. This will save you time.

You saw my discussion with other users. This dispute ended within reasonable limits. We disagreed, but treated each other with respect.

I liked the comment # 116. I gave him a like.
“This whole thread is like watching people taking turns chatting with a brick wall. And for a short time two brick walls talk to each other”

My opponent does not understand the hints that it is high time to end the argument. His choice - let him continue.
I will respond to every comment he makes in this thread. No problem, it's easy for me.

I will try to get the best out of this correspondence. I will make an additional comment on the hockey topic.
Good luck to everyone and patience with this idiocy dispute.

Stop with the ponderous posts. No one cares.

 

[Ice Mammoth]

Stop with the ponderous posts. No one cares.

“Stop with the ponderous posts”. OK.
“No one cares“. Did everyone manage to contact you?

 

[One Winged Angel]

Minnesota- Strome
LAK- Dumba Rask
NYR- Villardi

I can’t see LA wanting to do this.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

Ryan Strome is hopefully worth more than Villardi

 

[Ice Mammoth]

Hockey player in the top three to Kaprizov and Zuccarello.

Pts 2016-17; 2017-18; 2018-19; 2019-20; 2020-21
Ryan Strome $4,500,000 - 30; 34; 35; 59; 44
David Krejci $7,250,000 - 54; 44; 73; 43; 30
Paul Stastny $6,500,000 - 40; 53; 42; 38; 25
Mikael Granlund $3,750,000 - 69; 67; 54; 30; 23
Data 2020-21 for this hour. I am not giving extended statistics. There is enough information to draw conclusions.
- Ryan Strome has been gaining more points in the last two seasons.
The sharp increase in the number of points coincided with the appearance of Panarin (Buchnevich's progress this season).
The hockey player's transfer cost is at its maximum. In the case of an exchange, the NYR benefits most.
Any other team gets a high-risk trade.
- return of the hockey player to 30 - 35 points. In this case, an overpayment for the hockey player will be recorded.
- continuation of a set of 60-70 points for a full season. Ryan - UFA 2022. In this case, Strome will enter into a multi-year contract with a large AAV.
The team will receive a potentially bad contract from the first season. The transfer of a hockey player to another club can be considered as a one-year lease.

Mikael Granlund - $ 3,750,000 UFA 2021.
The player is universal. Played positions C and W. The hockey player has scored fewer points in the past two seasons. Has the best point percentage this season compared to last season.
All these factors will be taken into account when concluding a new contract. There is currently no reason to increase AAV or contract duration. The player may be interested in playing with Kaprizov and Zuccarello. Mikael Granlund can revive her career.
Minnesota benefits from future contract terms and UFA status, low risk.
Similar applies to: David Krejci, Paul Stastny. The age of the players is a big plus.
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Phillip Danault will likely have multi-year contracts (Zach Parise contract - $ 7,538,461 2025 UFA!!!)..
Of course, things can change after the playoffs. If one of the hockey players plays well in the Stanley Cup. Then the player will be able to sign a multi-year contract with an increased AAV.
I think Minnisota needs a center with a one to two year contract.
It is necessary to take into account the possible joining of the team: Matthew Boldy, Marco Rossi, Calen Addison, Alexander Khovanov.
Be mindful of the Expansion Draft.
Keep in mind the possibility of exchanging Matt Dumba, $ 6,000,000 2023 UFA.
I think Minnesota doesn't need to hand out its picks in the draft. There are other UFA players.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Strome is for that team who is a specific piece away from competing for it all. Minny isn’t that team. They should look for a C who ha term or sign one.

 

[bernmeister]

Hockey player in the top three to Kaprizov and Zuccarello.

Pts 2016-17; 2017-18; 2018-19; 2019-20; 2020-21
Ryan Strome $4,500,000 - 30; 34; 35; 59; 44
David Krejci $7,250,000 - 54; 44; 73; 43; 30
Paul Stastny $6,500,000 - 40; 53; 42; 38; 25
Mikael Granlund $3,750,000 - 69; 67; 54; 30; 23
Data 2020-21 for this hour. I am not giving extended statistics. There is enough information to draw conclusions.
- Ryan Strome has been gaining more points in the last two seasons.
The sharp increase in the number of points coincided with the appearance of Panarin (Buchnevich's progress this season).
The hockey player's transfer cost is at its maximum. In the case of an exchange, the NYR benefits most.
Any other team gets a high-risk trade.
- return of the hockey player to 30 - 35 points. In this case, an overpayment for the hockey player will be recorded.
- continuation of a set of 60-70 points for a full season. Ryan - UFA 2022. In this case, Strome will enter into a multi-year contract with a large AAV.
The team will receive a potentially bad contract from the first season. The transfer of a hockey player to another club can be considered as a one-year lease.

Mikael Granlund - $ 3,750,000 UFA 2021.
The player is universal. Played positions C and W. The hockey player has scored fewer points in the past two seasons. Has the best point percentage this season compared to last season.
All these factors will be taken into account when concluding a new contract. There is currently no reason to increase AAV or contract duration. The player may be interested in playing with Kaprizov and Zuccarello. Mikael Granlund can revive her career.
Minnesota benefits from future contract terms and UFA status, low risk.
Similar applies to: David Krejci, Paul Stastny. The age of the players is a big plus.
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Phillip Danault will likely have multi-year contracts (Zach Parise contract - $ 7,538,461 2025 UFA!!!)..
Of course, things can change after the playoffs. If one of the hockey players plays well in the Stanley Cup. Then the player will be able to sign a multi-year contract with an increased AAV.
I think Minnisota needs a center with a one to two year contract.
It is necessary to take into account the possible joining of the team: Matthew Boldy, Marco Rossi, Calen Addison, Alexander Khovanov.
Be mindful of the Expansion Draft.
Keep in mind the possibility of exchanging Matt Dumba, $ 6,000,000 2023 UFA.
I think Minnesota doesn't need to hand out its picks in the draft. There are other UFA players.

Strome has sufficiently demonstrated he plays well with others besides Panarin.
He is under contract next yr for real bargain of 4.5.
Following yr will likely be discounted league wide due to still emerging from covid. So following next season, his first yr is likely to be like 5.5, which is still good value. After that, it will be market rate.

Conclusion
Strome is worth 1st + or equivalent. For NYR, we want futures, pref picks.
imo

 

[bernmeister]

Strome is for that team who is a specific piece away from competing for it all. Minny isn’t that team. They should look for a C who ha term or sign one.

Disagree.
Yes, he fits that profile but he can be a 'build' piece as well for 3 or so seasons after current deal.
Locking into longer term does provide stability, but it reduces flexibility in that you create a commitment.
If you change your mind, you likely require a trade partner.

 

[PuckInTheNards]

Strome is for that team who is a specific piece away from competing for it all. Minny isn’t that team. They should look for a C who ha term or sign one.

i dunno - wild are very good on D and on the wings with Boldy and Rossi on the way. We add some quality down the middle snd i think we’re in business.

 

[PuckInTheNards]

I wouldn’t mind Strome - certainly better than what we’ve got. He’s not flashy but he’d be out 1c next year for sure. 1st snd a 3rd doesn’t seem unreasonable to me.

 

[CanadienShark]

Are @Ice Mammoth and @bernmeister the same person, or just two peas in a pod?

 

[nstarjim]

I wouldn’t mind Strome - certainly better than what we’ve got. He’s not flashy but he’d be out 1c next year for sure. 1st snd a 3rd doesn’t seem unreasonable to me.

Way more than a panarin passenger is worth. Pass from the wild. Keep him rags fans are way past what strome is worth.

 

[Ice Mammoth]

Strome has sufficiently demonstrated he plays well with others besides Panarin.
He is under contract next yr for real bargain of 4.5.
Following yr will likely be discounted league wide due to still emerging from covid. So following next season, his first yr is likely to be like 5.5, which is still good value. After that, it will be market rate.

Conclusion
Strome is worth 1st + or equivalent. For NYR, we want futures, pref picks.
imo

I won't argue (Strome: game level, contract duration, price). I wrote my position earlier.
I'm wondering what you think.
Which club is “Strome is worth 1st + or equivalent” suitable for?

I don't think Minnesota.
The club does not have many promising young players.
Ranked 13th in thehockeywriters' The NHL's Best Farm Systems Ranked - 2020-21.
“Top Five Prospects: Matthew Boldy, Alexander Khovanov, Kirill Kaprizov, Marat Khusnutdinov, Marco Rossi“.
Kaprizov is already playing. Marco Rossi was ill, the consequences of the illness are unknown.

Minnisota needs good picks in the draft.
There are other players (UFA).

Which club is “Strome is worth 1st + or equivalent” suitable for?

 

[57special]

Strome is for that team who is a specific piece away from competing for it all. Minny isn’t that team. They should look for a C who ha term or sign one.

Normally I would agree with you, but the standings suggest otherwise. Their D has always been good, but now they have outstanding goaltending, and Kaprizov leading a forward group that might not have a lot of star power, but is extremely deep. Their bottom six is really good. All they need is a C(or two) that isn't terrible...they would have to beat out Victor Rask and Nick Bjugstad, to give you an idea of how modest the expectations are there.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

i dunno - wild are very good on D and on the wings with Boldy and Rossi on the way. We add some quality down the middle snd i think we’re in business.

The offers thus far don’t reflect that level of final tweaking urgency for a cup run.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Disagree.
Yes, he fits that profile but he can be a 'build' piece as well for 3 or so seasons after current deal.
Locking into longer term does provide stability, but it reduces flexibility in that you create a commitment.
If you change your mind, you likely require a trade partner.

No one trying to open a window is going to pay a premium on 1 yr term unless there’s an understanding in place which could be realistic in this case. Strome on a 3 yr would be a good fit but it’s only an idea that doesn’t command return value.

 

[bernmeister]

...

Are @Ice Mammoth and @bernmeister the same person, [?]
no

or just two peas in a pod?
and no

 

[bernmeister]

Way more than a panarin passenger is worth. Pass from the wild. Keep him rags fans are way past what strome is worth.

not exclusively a "panarin passenger"
fyi

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Are @Ice Mammoth and @bernmeister the same person, or just two peas in a pod?

Just proof that you can find your soul mate in the strangest of places. It’s like dueling banjos of bloviated posts.

 

[nstarjim]

not exclusively a "panarin passenger"
fyi

Cool keep him.

 

[bernmeister]

I won't argue (Strome: game level, contract duration, price). I wrote my position earlier.
I'm wondering what you think.
Which club is “Strome is worth 1st + or equivalent” suitable for?

I don't think Minnesota.
The club does not have many promising young players.
Ranked 13th in thehockeywriters' The NHL's Best Farm Systems Ranked - 2020-21.
“Top Five Prospects: Matthew Boldy, Alexander Khovanov, Kirill Kaprizov, Marat Khusnutdinov, Marco Rossi“.
Kaprizov is already playing. Marco Rossi was ill, the consequences of the illness are unknown.

Minnisota needs good picks in the draft.
There are other players (UFA).

Which club is “Strome is worth 1st + or equivalent” suitable for?

Arguably he is worth that to MIN b'c they are close or actually competing, and a good pivot would complete their roster.

As to prospects listed, would just as soon have a pick and have GMJG continue his hot streak of good draft selections as opposed to a prospect. There are exceptions, but that would be my rule of thumb.

As to which clubs are good bets for Strome, answer is any [with or who can create cap space, obv] who have need and can do pick(s).

 

[bernmeister]

Just proof that you can find your soul mate in the strangest of places. It’s like dueling banjos of bloviated posts.

I draw the line at kindred spirit.

 

[bernmeister]

Cool keep him.

No, we'll just send him elsewhere.