Waived: Ryan Malone (Cleared 11/3)

[Vitto79]

The reason he should go back is because as soon as Step returns he will not see PP or PK time and he will not see top 6 minutes. He will be lucky to see top 9 minutes. Playing six minutes a night will do him no good. He would be better suited back in the Q.

I am one of the few that agrees he should go back to Juniors. I am more for having the kid develop. where does he play when Stepan is back?

They would have to send Hayes down and put Stempniak on the 4th line with the below.

They need to play Hayes 3rd line C or send him down to IMO. I still think Miller comes back and Moore goes to 4th line C but some people think i'm nuts

Kreider, Stepan, MSL
Zuc, Brassard, Nash
Hagelin, Moore, Duclair
Glass, Mueller/Hayes, Stempniak

 

[BroadwayBlues]

For Duclair, this is like the AHL for him. First taste of pro hockey. So you're going to see mistakes and quiet games. I still think he's getting adapted to the speed.

 

[Riche16]

Seems like at the end of the day he was another one of the many players who had one aspect of his game that fit, the rest just wasn't up to the standards we need.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Seems like at the end of the day he was another one of the many players who had one aspect of his game that fit, the rest just wasn't up to the standards we need.

Show me a team that has 12 forwards that are all multi-dimensional.

There must be more than meets the eye here. Malone has the size and the net-front presence this team is severely lacking.

 

[Ail]

The reason he should go back is because as soon as Step returns he will not see PP or PK time and he will not see top 6 minutes. He will be lucky to see top 9 minutes. Playing six minutes a night will do him no good. He would be better suited back in the Q.

Disagree, and they will find minutes for him if they think it is best for the team.

Kreider - Step - Nash
Zucc - Brass - Duke
Hags - Hayes - MSL
Stemp - Moore - Glass/Mueller

That's just one possibility. The parts are moving but there is no reason Duclair cannot see top-6/9 minutes if they want.

Malone is gone, Miller and Fast are probably in the AHL the rest of the season unless someone gets hurt. Glass and Mueller are extra forwards, but really Glass should be buried.

I'd like to see:

Nash - Step - Duke
Kreider - Brass - Zucc
Mueller - Hayes - MSL
Hags - Moore - Stemp

or switch Hagelin and Mueller. Anyway the point is there is no reason this kid can't get in a solid 60-70 games, with a good amount of ice-time.

 

[Riche16]

Show me a team that has 12 forwards that are all multi-dimensional.

There must be more than meets the eye here. Malone has the size and the net-front presence this team is severely lacking.

Net front presence only helps if you can get there while your team has the puck.

I really didn't hate Malone but felt (feel) that at the end of the day we need more mobility on our 4th line.

 

[NewLife]

Who'll be the enforcer if Glass goes?

I don't really care.

 

[nevesis]

“@stevezipay: Ryan Malone has reportedly cleared waiversâ€

 

[Tawnos]

Steve Zipay ‏@stevezipay 9s9 seconds ago
Ryan Malone has reportedly cleared waivers

So he will play tonight.

 

[Vitto79]

“@stevezipay: Ryan Malone has reportedly cleared waiversâ€

ouch no body wants the guy. Will he even bother going down to the AHL? If he doesnt his deal is dirt cheap and no body wanted him on waivers. He may need to suck it up

Sure he may play tonight since they may need a body but he wont last likely

 

[pld459666]

Just to solidify your points... I checked E. Kane's minutes in his first year with Atlanta. Very similar sporadic usage..... It didn't hurt Kane's development....
Not that another year junior will hurt him, not at all. But NYR is the best place to shape him based on AV's way of doing things. Next year, Dukes will fly solo, while AV will attack Buchs as a new project.

Kane is not yet the player many predicted he would be by now.

An argument could be made that even with his 50+ point seasons, keeping him at the NHL level was an error in judgement.

But I can also see the benefit of keeping him with the team so long as he continues to show reasons to keep him.

He will get the best training staff. Best nutritionists. The coaching he gets here will be better than in Juniors. The experience he can glom from MSL is invaluable.

Thus far, he has shown to be the best choice when considering all of the options available.

keep him with the big club.

When everyone is healthy, I'd prefer that they keep Meuller and send Glass packing.

 

[SlingshotVv]

Disagree, and they will find minutes for him if they think it is best for the team.

Kreider - Step - Nash
Zucc - Brass - Duke
Hags - Hayes - MSL
Stemp - Moore - Glass/Mueller

That's just one possibility. The parts are moving but there is no reason Duclair cannot see top-6/9 minutes if they want.

Malone is gone, Miller and Fast are probably in the AHL the rest of the season unless someone gets hurt. Glass and Mueller are extra forwards, but really Glass should be buried.

I'd like to see:

Nash - Step - Duke
Kreider - Brass - Zucc
Mueller - Hayes - MSL
Hags - Moore - Stemp

or switch Hagelin and Mueller. Anyway the point is there is no reason this kid can't get in a solid 60-70 games, with a good amount of ice-time.

I definitely want Stepan with Duke. Step thinks hockey at a high pace, and that will force Duke to engage his legs away from the puck. I'm a tiny bit concerned that putting Nash AND Stepan with Duke so early will give him too many non-shoot options. I'd love to see him really learn to be the shot generator in his line. Find open ice in the offensive zone, take the puck to the net, try and finish.

Nash - Brass - St. Louis
Kreider - Stepan - Duke
Hagelin - Hayes - Zuccarello
Mueller - Moore - Stemp

Hagelin is a possession monster. Putting him with Hayes seems like a really smart move. Zucc might be the best player we have at converting offensive zone possession into a scoring chance. He makes smart plays, and always looks to go circle to circle with the puck. Having a guy like Hayes at the net could pay huge dividends for guys that can control the puck and get it to the net. Not to mention Zucc and Hagelin are really good at coming up with the puck when not starting with possession, and Hayes is pretty bad at faceoffs. They could equalize this issue while he improves.

Kreider Step and Duke seems like a no-brainer for me. Stepan is a great pivot for these guys, and they both have speed. Kreider is as north south as NHL players get, and Duke brings a considerable amount of East/West possession skill. Stepan is our best center and I'd love to see what he can get out of them.

Mueller - Moore - Stemp is a 4th line I actually really like. PP specialist, and two really heady two way guys. Far from the type of 4th line that should get caught in it's own zone much. Plus breaking them up as spare parts through the line-up and on special teams gives AV good options in the face of in-game injuries.

 

[Idlerlee]

I definitely want Stepan with Duke. Step thinks hockey at a high pace, and that will force Duke to engage his legs away from the puck. I'm a tiny bit concerned that putting Nash AND Stepan with Duke so early will give him too many non-shoot options. I'd love to see him really learn to be the shot generator in his line. Find open ice in the offensive zone, take the puck to the net, try and finish.

Nash - Brass - St. Louis
Kreider - Stepan - Duke
Hagelin - Hayes - Zuccarello
Mueller - Moore - Stemp

Hagelin is a possession monster. Putting him with Hayes seems like a really smart move. Zucc might be the best player we have at converting offensive zone possession into a scoring chance. He makes smart plays, and always looks to go circle to circle with the puck. Having a guy like Hayes at the net could pay huge dividends for guys that can control the puck and get it to the net. Not to mention Zucc and Hagelin are really good at coming up with the puck when not starting with possession, and Hayes is pretty bad at faceoffs. They could equalize this issue while he improves.

Kreider Step and Duke seems like a no-brainer for me. Stepan is a great pivot for these guys, and they both have speed. Kreider is as north south as NHL players get, and Duke brings a considerable amount of East/West possession skill. Stepan is our best center and I'd love to see what he can get out of them.

Mueller - Moore - Stemp is a 4th line I actually really like. PP specialist, and two really heady two way guys. Far from the type of 4th line that should get caught in it's own zone much. Plus breaking them up as spare parts through the line-up and on special teams gives AV good options in the face of in-game injuries.

Hagelin and Zuccarello should never be on a line together, at least what this season so far tells us

 

[TheTakedown]

I definitely want Stepan with Duke. Step thinks hockey at a high pace, and that will force Duke to engage his legs away from the puck. I'm a tiny bit concerned that putting Nash AND Stepan with Duke so early will give him too many non-shoot options. I'd love to see him really learn to be the shot generator in his line. Find open ice in the offensive zone, take the puck to the net, try and finish.

Nash - Brass - St. Louis
Kreider - Stepan - Duke
Hagelin - Hayes - Zuccarello
Mueller - Moore - Stemp

Hagelin is a possession monster. Putting him with Hayes seems like a really smart move. Zucc might be the best player we have at converting offensive zone possession into a scoring chance. He makes smart plays, and always looks to go circle to circle with the puck. Having a guy like Hayes at the net could pay huge dividends for guys that can control the puck and get it to the net. Not to mention Zucc and Hagelin are really good at coming up with the puck when not starting with possession, and Hayes is pretty bad at faceoffs. They could equalize this issue while he improves.

Actually i think you have this backwards. Zucc and Hagelin both drive possession. Neither one is particularly great at scoring, but they are great at getting the puck TO a scorer...

this is why the Zucc-Brass-Nash line needs to stay together.

Hagelin-Hayes-Duclair puts a fast and defensively responsible winger with 2 guys who excel at hockey IQ and vision.

Kreider Step and Duke seems like a no-brainer for me. Stepan is a great pivot for these guys, and they both have speed. Kreider is as north south as NHL players get, and Duke brings a considerable amount of East/West possession skill. Stepan is our best center and I'd love to see what he can get out of them.

AGain, looks good on paper, but I'm not sure you want Duke going against top line competition...

This line should be Kreider-Stepan-MSL

Mueller - Moore - Stemp is a 4th line I actually really like. PP specialist, and two really heady two way guys. Far from the type of 4th line that should get caught in it's own zone much. Plus breaking them up as spare parts through the line-up and on special teams gives AV good options in the face of in-game injuries.

This line i fully agree with

So the lineup you end up with is:

Kreider - Stepan - MSL
Zuccarello - Brassard - Nash
Hagelin - Hayes - Duclair
Mueller - Moore - Stempniak

On games where Duclair is scratched, you can do this instead:

Kreider - Stepan - MSL
Zuccarello - Brassard - Nash
Hagelin - Hayes - Stempniak
Malone/Glass - Moore - Mueller

Many of these players have many roles, and there are only 2 rookies in the lineup as previously expected... That's solid.

I think you could roll with this D for now:

McD - Klein/Girardi
Staal - Boyle
Moore/Hunwick - Klein/Girardi
Moore/Hunwick

Eventually, you keep either Moore or Hunwick (whichever player fits the system better) and trade the other for an upgrade to the 3rd pairing (Sekera or Giordano), and then roll into the playoffs, while keeping Hunwick as a 7th for depth.

 

[Beer League Sniper]

Eventually, you keep either Moore or Hunwick (whichever player fits the system better) and trade the other for an upgrade to the 3rd pairing (Sekera or Giordano), and then roll into the playoffs, while keeping Hunwick as a 7th for depth.

Both those guys are borderline 1st pair dmen. They would cost an arm and a leg, plus a testicle to acquire.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

I thought Malone was quite solid last night.

 

[Raspewtin]

Played great in the 1st.

Sucked ass the rest of the game.

Won't miss him at all. He can take Glass with him.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

I thought he had a good game overall. Been a while.

 

[TheTakedown]

Both those guys are borderline 1st pair dmen. They would cost an arm and a leg, plus a testicle to acquire.

obviously the other would require to be part of a package... i'm not advocating John moore for Sekera... that'd be stupid