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[The Nuge]

I don’t understand the urgency to trade Sekera/Klefa/etc. We have 5 dmen who have looked like legit top 4 dmen. Meanwhile we have what 3, maybe 4, top 6 forwards?

Why trade Sekera who’s been a really solid #2/3 dman before seeing if he can bounce back from his injury. If you’re talking about retaining half his contract and getting nothing in return, you may as well wait until we know if he isn’t a top pairing dman.

Klefa looked like a #1 dman at 23, and yet we should dump him after he struggled for half a season on an underperforming team?

Russell’s been an absolute rock for us and can hold his own playing anything from the top pairing left side to bottom pairing right side. He’s also got a contract structured to be attractive to a budget team starting a year from now, but we should move him now because reasons?

If you can get Karlsson/Doughty, great. But you don’t waste assets trading to get a guy who can hopefully fill the role of the guy we’re trading away. If you can’t get Karlsson/Doughty, just get a right shooting PP specialist to compete with Benning for the #6 spot.

We badly need a supporting cast for the 2nd line so Connor doesn’t have to carry the team. We have the best player in the world, and yet are mediocre offensively. That should be pretty telling of where our needs are.

 

[MessierII]

I think we could see the pick for Faulk if it’s 9-12. It would limit us on the wings this year because of the cap but we could still get some bargain guys like Pirri, Schallen maybe at best Derek Ryan or Reilly Nash.

 

[BarDownBobo]

I don’t understand the urgency to trade Sekera/Klefa/etc. We have 5 dmen who have looked like legit top 4 dmen. Meanwhile we have what 3, maybe 4, top 6 forwards?

Why trade Sekera who’s been a really solid #2/3 dman before seeing if he can bounce back from his injury. If you’re talking about retaining half his contract and getting nothing in return, you may as well wait until we know if he isn’t a top pairing dman.

Klefa looked like a #1 dman at 23, and yet we should dump him after he struggled for half a season on an underperforming team?

Russell’s been an absolute rock for us and can hold his own playing anything from the top pairing left side to bottom pairing right side. He’s also got a contract structured to be attractive to a budget team starting a year from now, but we should move him now because reasons?

If you can get Karlsson/Doughty, great. But you don’t waste assets trading to get a guy who can hopefully fill the role of the guy we’re trading away. If you can’t get Karlsson/Doughty, just get a right shooting PP specialist to compete with Benning for the #6 spot.

We badly need a supporting cast for the 2nd line so Connor doesn’t have to carry the team. We have the best player in the world, and yet are mediocre offensively. That should be pretty telling of where our needs are.

I'm with you on this. I think people might be disappointed at the lack of change in the d corps this summer. I'm guessing they'll poke around at Faulk and see if they can pick him up on the cheap, but other than that I think the changes will be minimal.

I'm personally really curious as to what Yawney can do with Klef/Nurse/Larsson. He's got a pretty good track record with young dmen in both Chicago and Anaheim, and I've got a feeling he could help those guys take another big step.

 

[Little Fury]

Then who replaces Drai? This is not how you improve the team by creating a massive hole to fill a massive hole.
Also, I thought you were all for the draft and develop approach with subtle moves to improve the roster.

The proposal was Nurse for Nylander then Drai for a D.

 

[CupofOil]

The proposal was Nurse for Nylander then Drai for a D.

So who replaces Drai?

 

[Little Fury]

So who replaces Drai?

Nylander.

 

[soothsayer]

Nylander.

Whut

 

[Little Fury]

Whut

What whut?

Nylander was drafted as a C. Played in the AHL as a C. Plays wing in Toronto because they have Matthews-Kadri-Bozak down the middle, but is probably going to switch to C when Bozak walks.

 

[Jet Walters]

The proposal was Nurse for Nylander then Drai for a D.

Isn't Nylander better suited for the wing? I just don't think he's the type of player you want behind McDavid on the center depth chart. I wouldn't give up Nurse either, but could get behind the idea of Drai + for Karlsson.

Draisaitl, Bear, 2019 2nd for Karlsson

Sekera and 2018 1st (9th-10th overall) for O'Reilly

O'Reilly behind McDavid is about as perfect of a 1-2 center combo as it gets.

 

[McIce Whole]

I doubt we see the pick traded unless it’s packaged in a deal with one of our current dmen.

Stauffer pointed out that with another expansion draft looming, makes sense to keep pucks who won’t need to be protected. Which makes sense, we need to keep that in mind as we look to add players.

 

[SK13]

Nurse is LHD

That's me derping for a moment.

It's the same weird mistake I keep making with OEL, thinking he's a right handed shot and knowing he's a left. I still think there's a bit of a redunandcy there. You don't really need 2 physical, 2-way defenseman on the second pair, but you do need some EVS offense.

 

[CupofOil]

Nylander.

Nylander would replace Rattie then Nuge moves to #2C. Nylander has been a winger in the NHL.

I thought you were against big player change, what changed your mind?
Personally, Draisaitl is on my untouchable list unless it's an early to mid 20s #1 Dman in return.

 

[Little Fury]

Isn't Nylander better suited for the wing? I just don't think he's the type of player you want behind McDavid on the center depth chart.

Well, then you play him on McDavid's wing and drop RNH to 2C.

I wouldn't give up Nurse either, but could get behind the idea of Drai + for Karlsson.

Draisaitl, Bear, 2019 2nd for Karlsson

Sekera and 2018 1st (9th-10th overall) for O'Reilly

O'Reilly behind McDavid is about as perfect of a 1-2 center combo as it gets

Yeah I don't see the Sabres trading RoR for that kind of package and I don't see Sekera waiving his NMC to go to a no-hope organization. Maybe if they win the lottery and draft Dahlin, otherwise...

 

[Little Fury]

Nylander would replace Rattie then Nuge moves to #2C. Nylander has been a winger in the NHL.

But he's a natural C.

I thought you were against big player change, what changed your mind?
Personally, Draisaitl is on my untouchable list unless it's an early to mid 20s #1 Dman in return.

I still am. Just passing this slow time with some thought experiments.

 

[Little Fury]

delete

 

[soothsayer]

What whut?

Nylander was drafted as a C. Played in the AHL as a C. Plays wing in Toronto because they have Matthews-Kadri-Bozak down the middle, but is probably going to switch to C when Bozak walks.

Talk about a major downgrade. I doubt the upgrade on D would make up for the shit kicking the Oilers would take on replacing Draisaitl with Nylander.

 

[CupofOil]

But he's a natural C.

But he hasn't played C in the NHL and based on what I've seen of him, he looks much more natural on the wing. I think a player like him is best suited to focus on offense without the big defensive responsibility and his speed is a major asset on wing.

In any event, you'd have to pry Draisaitl from my cold dead hands. You don't trade players like that before they even hit their prime, you build around players like him. I wouldn't even deal him for Karlsson but that's just me.

 

[Jet Walters]

Well, then you play him on McDavid's wing and drop RNH to 2C.



Yeah I don't see the Sabres trading RoR for that kind of package and I don't see Sekera waiving his NMC to go to a no-hope organization. Maybe if they win the lottery and draft Dahlin, otherwise...

Maybe something based around Klefbom and Zibanejad? Main point is that Nylander or even RNH as a 2C is not a great mix when I think of an ideal 1-2 combo.

 

[Little Fury]

But he hasn't played C in the NHL and based on what I've seen of him, he looks much more natural on the wing. I think a player like him is best suited to focus on offense without the big defensive responsibility and his speed is a major asset on wing.

Yeah you could say the same thing about Draisaitl. I don't really think you know until you try and it's not like he's unfamiliar with the position. You still have RNH in your pocket as a fallback 2C and you've solved your winger for Connor problem. Win-win either way.

In any event, you'd have to pry Draisaitl from my cold dead hands. You don't trade players like that before they even hit their prime, you build around players like him.

Only way you do it is for an upgrade elsewhere. Karlsson would probably make you forget about Drai in a hurry.

Again, I'm just spitballing here as there's no chance even one of those deals comes to pass. (It's gonna be Klef for Faulk/Barrie).

 

[Little Fury]

Talk about a major downgrade. I doubt the upgrade on D would make up for the **** kicking the Oilers would take on replacing Draisaitl with Nylander.

It's not as big a downgrade as you seem to think.

 

[Little Fury]

Maybe something based around Klefbom and Zibanejad? Main point is that Nylander or even RNH as a 2C is not a great mix when I think of an ideal 1-2 combo.

i don't think we should be too preoccupied with "ideals" here.

 

[soothsayer]

It's not as big a downgrade as you seem to think.

Maybe. Or maybe Nylander isn't as good as you think, or Draisaitl is better than you think--maybe it's both.

 

[CupofOil]

Yeah you could say the same thing about Draisaitl. I don't really think you know until you try and it's not like he's unfamiliar with the position. You still have RNH in your pocket as a fallback 2C and you've solved your winger for Connor problem. Win-win either way.

Only way you do it is for an upgrade elsewhere. Karlsson would probably make you forget about Drai in a hurry.

Again, I'm just spitballing here as there's no chance even one of those deals comes to pass. (It's gonna be Klef for Faulk/Barrie).

Their best prospects are wingers so there's no way I'd give up a major asset to get another young winger. Sign a stopgap or two and develop Puljujarvi, Yamamoto and Benson.

Karlsson is great no doubt but he's 5 years older than Draisaitl, has an injury history and is sure to cost in the 12M neighborhood. He'd be great to have but I'd rather keep Drai and build around the 2 centers, I'm just a big Draisaitl fanboy so there's some bias coming from me.

 

[McFlyingV]

I cringe at the thought of this team without Drai at 2C if they make playoffs. RNH or Nylander (as was suggested above) are not going to cut it in the 2C slot in the western conference playoffs.

We have the centre makeup we want for playoffs, we should be figuring out how to build around them on D and on the wings. I'm less worried about the wings because of our winger prospects.

 

[McTrashBoat]

when I think of Draisaitl I think of Tkachuk bouncing off him and the ridiculous series against the Ducks

when I think of Nylander I think of him bailing on the puck to avoid a hit in the last minutes of game 7