Speculation: Rumors/Speculation/General Discussion XVII

[TheHudlinator]

A backup goalie with 15.6 Mill in salary... You could likely get Bernier for Wideman and Bernier's contract is better and can still be looked at as having potential.. Howard is worth nowhere near Wideman who is a 17-19 min a night Defenseman Right hand shot, PP specialist.. Yeah Manta is definitely in play. If Detroit takes back salary then they get Culkin/ Agostino/ Grant or Morrison.

As had been brought why would Wideman want to go to Toronto?

 

[Digitalbooya]

Flames get Matthews

Then:
Brodin+Granlund+1st for Monahan

or

Brodin+Coyle for Monahan

Yes/No. Thoughts? Opinions?

 

[Johnny GODreau]

Flames get Matthews

Then:
Brodin+Granlund+1st for Monahan

or

Brodin+Coyle for Monahan

Yes/No. Thoughts? Opinions?

No thanks.

Flames run with that C depth. Monahan/Matthews/Bennett/Backlund/ect..

 

[Digitalbooya]

No thanks.

Flames run with that C depth. Monahan/Matthews/Bennett/Backlund/ect..

Ah, okay. Rock on

 

[Flames Fanatic]

Flames get Matthews

Then:
Brodin+Granlund+1st for Monahan

or

Brodin+Coyle for Monahan

Yes/No. Thoughts? Opinions?

Honestly the value is good but it just doesn't fit our needs much.

Brodin is solid but we can't afford to sacrifice a position of need for a position of strength as good as that top 4 would be.

 

[Johnny GODreau]

Do you think the Blue jackets would trade Sergei Bobrovksy?

 

[Lunatik]

Do you think the Blue jackets would trade Sergei Bobrovksy?

to a injury treatment centre? it might be in his best interest.

 

[Pizza the Hutt]

If Treliving can't sort out our goalies for next year he needs to go.

 

[Lunatik]

If Treliving can't sort out our goalies for next year he needs to go.

How exactly do you propose he sort it out? Please tell us.

After Gaudreau and Monahan are signed there will be about $11 million in cap space to sign 8 players. Remember the minimum salary is 550k.

Gaudreau - Monahan - _______
Bennett - Backlund - Frolik
Ferland - _______ - _______
Bouma - Stajan - ______
Bollig - _______

Giordano - Brodie
_______ - Hamilton
Wideman - Engelland
Smid

______
______


And now remember not all free agents will accept contract offers and not all GMs will be willing to make trades.

and go.

 

[AgeOfBennett]

How exactly do you propose he sort it out? Please tell us.

After Gaudreau and Monahan are signed there will be about $11 million in cap space to sign 8 players.

Gaudreau - Monahan - _______
Bennett - Backlund - Frolik
Ferland - _______ - _______
Bouma - Stajan - ______
Bollig - _______

Giordano - Brodie
_______ - Hamilton
Wideman - Engelland
Smid

______
______


And now remember not all free agents will accept contract offers and not all GMs will be willing to make trades.

and go.

Yeah next year might be tough because prospects might have to step into the line up without being prepared. Our forward group might not look very good

 

[Lunatik]

Yeah next year might be tough because prospects might have to step into the line up without being prepared. Our forward group might not look very good

pretyt much, we have to dump some pretty decent sized contracts to fix things for next year which means giving up picks/prospects as sweeteners and that is not something I think we should be doing.

 

[AgeOfBennett]

pretyt much, we have to dump some pretty decent sized contracts to fix things for next year which means giving up picks/prospects as sweeteners and that is not something I think we should be doing.

It's the Russell and Hudler replacement I'm worried about. We don't have any room to get a good top 4 D, and I don't think any of our prospects are ready for that position. I think our bottom 6 might be okay. I could see Agostino, Arnold, Grant, Freddie H, ect stepping in. The 1RW spot makes me worrisome too, and obviously the goalie situation yeah next year might suck

 

[Lunatik]

How exactly do you propose he sort it out? Please tell us.

After Gaudreau and Monahan are signed there will be about $11 million in cap space to sign 8 players. Remember the minimum salary is 550k.

Gaudreau - Monahan - Bennett
Colborne - Backlund - Frolik
Granlund - Jankowski - Weise
Bouma - Stajan - Ferland
Bollig - Grant

Giordano - Brodie
Coburn - Hamilton
Schlemko - Wideman
Nakladal

Bernier
Enroth


And now remember not all free agents will accept contract offers and not all GMs will be willing to make trades.

and go.

Since I threw this out there I will also try to attempt this. I am working under the assumption that Gaudreau and Monahan will get 13 million combined; for the sake of keeping it simple I am giving Johnny 7 and Sean 6. I am made changes to the roster above as I make each move.

First thing I would do then is look at our RFAs. I would qualify Granlund & Colborne but would allow Jooris to become a UFA as I don't think he has played well enough to warrant a 5% raise. Let's assume Colborne (1.275) and Granlund (0.806) accept their qualifying offers. The timeline will jump around a bit as I want to streamline this a bit

My math has me with $9,102,058 left with 6 spots (3f, 1d, 2g) to fill.

I would then buyout Ladislav Smid ($833,333 hit in 16-17) and Mason Raymond ($1,050,000 hit in 16-17).

I now have $12,918,725 to sign 7 players (I never had Raymond on the roster, so 3f, 2d, 2g).

Let's address that goalie hole. Who is available? Top UFA's are Cam Ward, James Reimer, Antti Raanta and Jhonas Enroth. I figure Ward/Reimer will get about $4.000 each and Raanta/Enroth will get about 1.500 each. Bernier and Howard are available via trade. Now do we sign one? Or do we orchestrate a trade? Do we take a risk and try a reclamation project? Frankly there is no good option here. So I would probably orchestrate a trade just because it would shift salary.

So I would try to acquire Jonathan Bernier for Deryk Engelland. I think the Leafs would bite because Engelland is a leader and a tough SOB. For the backup I would sign Enroth for 1.500 (2 years, I don't want 2 UFAs again next summer) as he played well behind a terrible Sabres team.

2.917 out, 5.650 in. There is now $10,185,392 remaining and still 6 spots (3f, 3d).

So now I have to ask myself, do I want to spend UFA money on a defenseman, or a winger? With suspect goaltneding I decide to blow my wad on a defenseman and attempt to sign Braydon Coburn as a UFA to a 2 year/$20 million contract. I would also re-sign Nakladal, I think I could convince him to take a paycut to $650k with a 1 way contract. For the last defense spot I would bring Schlemko back as he showed he could play within our system, I'd give him 1 year @ 750k

$3,785,393 with spots (3f)

Now for the forwards. Obviously with south of $4 million we won't get much, so what better time to put Bennett with Johnny and Sean? With no money for a 2nd liner though I would try either Colborne or Bouma with Backlund and Frolik and let's see what Janko can do as a #3C, I assume he will sign for 925k. I'd want to bring is a tougher winger as well, so Dale Weise would be a target, I think we could get him for 1.500. Lastly I would bring back Derek Grant at his current salary (700k) on a 1way deal.

$1,359,692 remaining with a full roster, which should be enough if there are injuries.


Gaudreau - Monahan - Bennett
Colborne - Backlund - Frolik
Granlund - Jankowski - Weise
Bouma - Stajan - Ferland
Bollig - Grant

Giordano - Brodie
Coburn - Hamilton
Schlemko - Wideman
Nakladal

Bernier
Enroth

The forward group is terrible but I think Weise could help mentor Ferland as I think Weise is what Ferland has for upside. If Jankowski falters, Stajan can slide up the lineup and Grant can fill the 4C spot. I think Coburn really solidifies the top 4 and if Wideman can be moved out for a forward, that would be quite helpful. Goaltending is still pretty mediocre, but quite frankly no one is available.

 

[Lunatik]

It's the Russell and Hudler replacement I'm worried about. We don't have any room to get a good top 4 D, and I don't think any of our prospects are ready for that position. I think our bottom 6 might be okay. I could see Agostino, Arnold, Grant, Freddie H, ect stepping in. The 1RW spot makes me worrisome too, and obviously the goalie situation yeah next year might suck

I took my own challenge and it is terrible. I do not envy Treliving this summer.

 

[JurassicTunga]

I like that defense, but yeah, the forward group is lacking big time after the top line. However, maybe we add a Matthews/Laine/Puljujarvi to make it at least a little bit better, though.

 

[Lunatik]

I like that defense, but yeah, the forward group is lacking big time after the top line. However, maybe we add a Matthews/Laine/Puljujarvi to make it at least a little bit better, though.

Honestly there is no winning

If we pick up a forward rather than a defenseman, then our defense and goaltending gets exposed.
If we sign for a goalie and don't trade for one, we won't get a forward or defenseman.

Next season IMO will be our worst yet unless Treliving can pull off a miracle.

 

[SKRusty]

pretyt much, we have to dump some pretty decent sized contracts to fix things for next year which means giving up picks/prospects as sweeteners and that is not something I think we should be doing.

Trevling has to dump some high priced contracts. None of which are HORRIBLE. Well excpet for Raymond.

The Flames contracts for next season are at 13 out of 23 totaling just over 47 M Leaving just over 24 M. Now take and throw Raymond in the AHL and it becomes 25.

Shedding Smid or Wideman's contracts saves a minimum of 3 taking the team to 28M

Sean and Johnny will cost about 11.5M AAV for next season. That leaves 17.5M.

The other RFA's in the line-up will cost 3 M takin it to 14.5M

Now the team just needs a Starting Goalie, Backup, 2 Depth D-man, and 2 forwards to replace Jones and Hudler.

Ortio or another backup will cost 3/4 M, Bernier or Ramo will cost 4 Leaving 12.75M

Replace Jones with Shore/Poirier/ Klimchuck/ Agaostino/ Grant takes it to 11.75 M.

Replace the D-men with farm or experienced vets for 2 M and that is 9.75 M AAV

Now that leaves 9.75 M AAV to sign Okposo, Eriksson or whoever.

 

[Demetric]

So now I have to ask myself, do I want to spend UFA money on a defenseman, or a winger? With suspect goaltneding I decide to blow my wad on a defenseman and attempt to sign Braydon Coburn as a UFA to a 2 year/$20 million contract. I would also re-sign Nakladal, I think I could convince him to take a paycut to $650k with a 1 way contract. For the last defense spot I would bring Schlemko back as he showed he could play within our system, I'd give him 1 year @ 750k

$3,78

$10 mil per season?

I also think, Nakladal will need a littel more than than based on how we have treated him this season, unless he starts getting more playing time the rest of the season. Also, Schlemko will get closer to $1.5 -$2, IMO.

But you are right, the issues cannot be solved immediately, we all need to be patient

 

[FLAMES666]

Honestly there is no winning

If we pick up a forward rather than a defenseman, then our defense and goaltending gets exposed.
If we sign for a goalie and don't trade for one, we won't get a forward or defenseman.

Next season IMO will be our worst yet unless Treliving can pull off a miracle.

I don't know if we will be worse, but we definitely don't have the room to upgrade our team much this off season. The only way we get 2 of the 3 is if we win the lottery. Matthews would slot in and we would have the room to acquire a goalie or top 4 D man. I am for giving Coburn a contract as I think he would pair up with Hamilton really well but not at 10 mill a year.

The only other idea is to trade a contract out for another bad contract and hope that guy plays better on this team. Something around Raymond and Bickell?

 

[SKRusty]

$10 mil per season?

I also think, Nakladal will need a littel more than than based on how we have treated him this season, unless he starts getting more playing time the rest of the season. Also, Schlemko will get closer to $1.5 -$2, IMO.

But you are right, the issues cannot be solved immediately, we all need to be patient

I don't know where you guys are getting the sense that Nakladal was brought in totally unaware of the situation on defense. It is far more likely Trevling told Nak he would be playing a significant amount in the AHL this year to adjust but that next season would be his coming out party.

Don't be surprised to see 2-3 D moved out at the deadline. We all have heard the rumors about Wideman going to Boston. Most have conceded that Russell will be moving. I don't find it inconceivable that Engelland or Smid could find a landing spot.

That will give Nakladal a spot for the last 1/3 of the season.

 

[Flames Fanatic]

Trevling has to dump some high priced contracts. None of which are HORRIBLE. Well excpet for Raymond.

The Flames contracts for next season are at 13 out of 23 totaling just over 47 M Leaving just over 24 M. Now take and throw Raymond in the AHL and it becomes 25.

Shedding Smid or Wideman's contracts saves a minimum of 3 taking the team to 28M

Sean and Johnny will cost about 11.5M AAV for next season. That leaves 17.5M.

The other RFA's in the line-up will cost 3 M takin it to 14.5M

Now the team just needs a Starting Goalie, Backup, 2 Depth D-man, and 2 forwards to replace Jones and Hudler.

Ortio or another backup will cost 3/4 M, Bernier or Ramo will cost 4 Leaving 12.75M

Replace Jones with Shore/Poirier/ Klimchuck/ Agaostino/ Grant takes it to 11.75 M.

Replace the D-men with farm or experienced vets for 2 M and that is 9.75 M AAV

Now that leaves 9.75 M AAV to sign Okposo, Eriksson or whoever.

I think the only way Johnny and Sean have that low a combined hit is if one or both of them are on bridge deals. I would LOVE for Treliving to prove you right though. But Johnny is 6th in NHL scoring. That won't be cheap.

Also your math doesn't make sense. You go from 14.5 million, say goalies will take 4.75 million (which is generous on your backup numbers) and then say we 12.75 left. Bit of a discrepancy there.

Lastly I suspect this summer there will not be a lot of cap dumps from teams unless they attach a significant bonus. If the cap does indeed go down, or even remains stagnant, there are going to be a lot of teams with very little wiggle room under the cap and most of the remaining teams have an internal budget.

$10 mil per season?

I also think, Nakladal will need a littel more than than based on how we have treated him this season, unless he starts getting more playing time the rest of the season. Also, Schlemko will get closer to $1.5 -$2, IMO.

But you are right, the issues cannot be solved immediately, we all need to be patient

Haha glad I'm not the only one who caught that what I assume is a typo.

For what it's worth I'd rather spend the money on upgrading our forward group. Call me crazy but I'd rather have a weaker #4 than have an absence of secondary scoring from anyone that isn't our first line.

 

[SKRusty]

I think the only way Johnny and Sean have that low a combined hit is if one or both of them are on bridge deals.

Also your math doesn't make sense. You go from 14.5 million, say goalies will take 4.75 million (which is generous on your backup numbers) and then say we 12.75 left. Bit of a discrepancy there.

Also I suspect this summer there will not be a lot of cap dumps from teams unless they attach a significant bonus. If the cap does indeed go down, or even remains stagnant, there are going to be a lot of teams with very little wiggle room under the cap and most of the remaining teams have an internal budget.

You are correct on my math.. That's what happens when you are doing 2 things at once...lol Final Number should be 6.75M

That said I think you are correct on some salary dumping. I would not be surprised to see Smid bought out if he can't be traded.

I think Sean will be Bridged around 5.5 M and Johnny's will slide in Salary from 5.5 up to 6.5 over 6-8 years for an AAV of 6

ADDED

Columbus, Toronto, and Carolina are all going to need some salary to hit the Salary Floor next year after their dump this year. Smid and Wideman fit the bill as they will be in the last year of their contracts.

Haha glad I'm not the only one who caught that what I assume is a typo.

For what it's worth I'd rather spend the money on upgrading our forward group. Call me crazy but I'd rather have a weaker #4 than have an absence of secondary scoring from anyone that isn't our first line.

The Flames have way too much money tied up on D... Most clubs are around 20M and the Flames are at 28M

 

[Rangediddy]

With suspect goaltneding I decide to blow my wad on a defenseman and attempt to sign Braydon Coburn as a UFA to a 2 year/$20 million contract. I would also re-sign Nakladal, I think I could convince him to take a paycut to $650k with a 1 way contract.

You misspelled Steven Stamkos.

 

[Flames Fanatic]

You are correct on my math.. That's what happens when you are doing 2 things at once...lol Final Number should be 6.75M

That said I think you are correct on some salary dumping. I would not be surprised to see Smid bought out if he can't be traded.

I think Sean will be Bridged around 5.5 M and Johnny's will slide in Salary from 5.5 up to 6.5 over 6-8 years for an AAV of 6

ADDED

Columbus, Toronto, and Carolina are all going to need some salary to hit the Salary Floor next year after their dump this year. Smid and Wideman fit the bill as they will be in the last year of their contracts.



The Flames have way too much money tied up on D... Most clubs are around 20M and the Flames are at 28M

Smid and Raymond both hopefully. We'll see though, as its been a while since we've bought someone out.

I think Monahan will be similar to Barkov's deal if we sign him for term as he's lesser defensively and greater offensively. Bridge deal you may be close.

Gaudreau though, I think it would be pretty lucky to get him for an AAV anywhere near six. Would love if Treliving pulls it off, but personally if we sign him for 6-8 years at anything under 8 million I'm perfectly content. Of course I would like that number to be much closer to 7 million, but again with his numbers his agent is gonna have a heck of an argument, and I don't want to see any potential relationship damage between him and the Flames by trying to hammer out a cheap bridge deal.

In regards to teams looking to hit the floor, I think they will be the big winners of free agency. Lots of players going to want money and not a lot of teams that can give it to them.

Also a brief aside as I'm on my phone, but how is Columbus under the salary floor next year? I've got them as sitting around 68 million for the year total, and that includes Bobrovsky on the IR for a good chunk of the season, and the only major contract they are losing is Bourque. They also have to re-sign Jones, Jenner and those could be pricey.

 

[Lunatik]

$10 mil per season?

I also think, Nakladal will need a littel more than than based on how we have treated him this season, unless he starts getting more playing time the rest of the season. Also, Schlemko will get closer to $1.5 -$2, IMO.

But you are right, the issues cannot be solved immediately, we all need to be patient

That's should have said 4 years