Rumor: Rumors and Proposals Thread: "Flies in the Vasoline"

[McShogun99]

The Oilers being on Varlamov's NTC seems obvious from day 1.

Also the fact that Holland tried for two offseasons to sign a #1 goaltender and nobody would come here but Markstrom and he wanted a bad overpay deal to sign here rather than Calgary should tell us something.

Not excusing Holland, he should have made a trade. But there too he tried all summer to trade Koskinen and nobody wanted him. Not an excuse, but there are realties to the marketplace and the relative low trade value of our assets to consider.

No Russian player would leave the NY area to come to the Siberia of North America. We really should have signed Markstrom even though he wanted the extra year. He's a goalie that can make a bad team look good.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

The last time he swung back to work in the nhl was when his real estate business took a dip and about 8 months later when it picked he became to busy for the demands needed on him. He was hired to improve our projects skating. Coffey has built a good business away from his playing days. So it is no knock against. Just curious if he is interested in coming back or was it the reporter thinking just speculating

If I remember correctly he's been sniffing around for a coaching gig for some time. Probably sees Montreal getting a dead cat bounce under MSL and saying to himself "look, guys that have only coached their kids can be succesful!"

 

[Soundwave]

We failed at that too

lol sad but true.

 

[Canovin]

No Russian player would leave the NY area to come to the Siberia of North America. We really should have signed Markstrom even though he wanted the extra year. He's a goalie that can make a bad team look good.

Pretty sure Markstrom "Kris Versteeg" us. Only spoke to us in order to drive the prices up for Calgary

 

[KlefDown]

dummy boy ken holland is more likely to stand pat or sell at the deadline than he is to buy

 

[North]

The Oilers being on Varlamov's NTC seems obvious from day 1.

Also the fact that Holland tried for two offseasons to sign a #1 goaltender and nobody would come here but Markstrom and he wanted a bad overpay deal to sign here rather than Calgary should tell us something.

Not excusing Holland, he should have made a trade. But there too he tried all summer to trade Koskinen and nobody wanted him. Not an excuse, but there are realties to the marketplace and the relative low trade value of our assets to consider.

It’s partly why I’m hoping Skinner turns out to be what we’ve been looking for.

The UFA goalie market is slim pickings this off season as well.

 

[CupofOil]

I see that Varlamov had the Oilers on his no trade list. It's almost like a certain poster (cough CupofOil cough) has been saying this for weeks and that discussing options like MAF, Varlamov or anybody with a NTC is pointless.

It doesn't matter anyway because I'm not even sure that Varlamov is much of an upgrade on what Koskinen has been the last month or so and the team is losing despite getting good goaltending so...

 

[frag2]

Pretty sure Markstrom "Kris Versteeg" us. Only spoke to us in order to drive the prices up for Calgary

Didn't he want to be with his 'buddy' Lindholm?

 

[CupofOil]

dummy boy ken holland is more likely to stand pat or sell at the deadline than he is to buy

Actually, selling might be the smarter move at this point like Kane for instance who they're going to lose for nothing. What's the point of buying? This season is a sunk cost. Too many holes, too many injuries, brutal schedule. If by some chance they make the playoffs (which is turning into a longshot), it's a short stay anyway.

 

[North]

Didn't he want to be with his 'buddy' Lindholm?

He did indeed.

Holland tried to entice him by adding an extra year to the deal but he said no.

 

[JarvisFunk]

He did indeed.

Holland tried to entice him by adding an extra year to the deal but he said no.

Holland tried to "entice" him by adding an extra year and like an extra million bucks, which isn't very enticing at all

 

[North]

Holland tried to "entice" him by adding an extra year and like an extra million bucks, which isn't all that enticing at all

I don’t disagree. He didn’t really change the dollar amount much, he stretched it an extra year.

I think had he been able to sign Markstrom we probably would have bought out Koskinen which is why Holland was penny pinching.

 

[Snipes45]

No Russian player would leave the NY area to come to the Siberia of North America. We really should have signed Markstrom even though he wanted the extra year. He's a goalie that can make a bad team look good.

Didn't the Oilers give him 1 more year, but didn't pay as high as CGY basically. Jim threw in some other stuff too. Think NMC, etc. Plus his bum buddy is on the Flames. I still laugh at how many people were outraged that we were trying to sign Markstrom.

That type of goalie rarely will ever hit UFA

Edit - Said above already

 

[McTonyBrar]

hopefully , Broberg pans out or we might ask why we passed on Caufield in a few years

You wanted another small player?

 

[McTonyBrar]

I'm totally shocked that every time the team has been destroyed by injuries we lose more games than we win. SHOCKED.

Sarcasm lol?

 

[McTonyBrar]

John Gibson isn't that great of a goalie... I'd go after the much cheaper (and better) Stolarz before I spent big assets trying to get Gibson.

Is this a joke lol?...

 

[McTonyBrar]

Actually, selling might be the smarter move at this point like Kane for instance who they're going to lose for nothing. What's the point of buying? This season is a sunk cost. Too many holes, too many injuries, brutal schedule. If by some chance they make the playoffs (which is turning into a longshot), it's a short stay anyway.

We are NOT selling. End of story. It won't happen with McDavid and Draisaitl.

 

[foshizzle]

dummy boy ken holland is more likely to stand pat or sell at the deadline than he is to buy

He should stand pat. No point giving away the future for a team going nowhere. This team needs to look at its structure (management side) in the offseason. Need to build a analytics department so they are on even footing with the rest of the NHL, a cap specialist (not the guy we have now), a coaching rep (intermediary between coach and management), pro scouting with scouts not named Holland, Messier, Chiarelli. For trades he needs to have the analytics dept, scouts, capologist advise the GM on deals and trades. No more trading for huge cap hits for guys like Keith and overpayments for guys like Nurse.I can’t hear about the guide and record books any longer.

 

[Proko88]

He'd better be.

Then why did they give Stalock away for free only to sign another goalie??

 

[KlefDown]

He should stand pat. No point giving away the future for a team going nowhere. This team needs to look at its structure (management side) in the offseason. Need to build a analytics department so they are on even footing with the rest of the NHL, a cap specialist (not the guy we have now), a coaching rep (intermediary between coach and management), pro scouting with scouts not named Holland, Messier, Chiarelli. For trades he needs to have the analytics dept, scouts, capologist advise the GM on deals and trades. No more trading for huge cap hits for guys like Keith and overpayments for guys like Nurse.I can’t hear about the guide and record books any longer.

this team isn't going anywhere next year either, or the year after that, or the year after that...

the oilers are just a dummy regular season team that other teams beat for fun at this point. we are a nothing franchise

 

[CycloneSweep]

Then why did they give Stalock away for free only to sign another goalie??

Yep. They signed that guy because they needed a backup for the AHL and want to give their actual prospects playing time while Skinner is up.

 

[CycloneSweep]

this team isn't going anywhere next year either, or the year after that, or the year after that...

the oilers are just a dummy regular season team that other teams beat for fun at this point. we are a nothing franchise

I wouldn't be that negative. I don't think we will be going anywhere next year either but really, we are one great off season away from being good. The issue is, do we have a manager or managing group in place to have that off season?

 

[Soundwave]

I wouldn't be that negative. I don't think we will be going anywhere next year either but really, we are one great off season away from being good. The issue is, do we have a manager or managing group in place to have that off season?

Not under Holland. Knowing Katz he will hire Coffey to be the next GM, lol.

 

[McShogun99]

Then why did they give Stalock away for free only to sign another goalie??

I don’t think that trading a 35 year old, career backup that’s 5th on the depth chart that missed 2 years of hockey with a heart condition is considered selling…..

 

[Soundwave]

If they don't get a competent GM in this organization, it's very possible they with just dither away another few seasons being 1st round canon fodder at best.

The Dylan Holloways of the world aren't going to bail this franchise out for having bottom 3 management in the league.

Draisaitl and McDavid if they want to win anything in the next 3 years need to make it clear to Katz that he has to get a competent GM. Katz needs a sobering wake up call if what's going on now isn't enough for him.

On principal I don't think you can have a bottom 3 GM in the league and still some how overcome that to have success. It just will never, ever work, wishing that magical prospects develop to 150% of their potential to bail out incompetent management is not going to happen.