Speculation: Roster Turnover

Le Grec

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Kulemin, Chimera, Hickey, Seidenberg walk...
JT, Bailey, need to stay...
CDH and Halak are the question marks...

CDH has to earn his contract, and so far he hasn't...

As I mentioned in another thread, if they don't sign Halak then Snow needs to make a trade as there are no quality goalies in the UFA market or in the system that are available next year...
If Jaro want 2 years at 4mil, I'd do it, but no more...

Lee-JT-Bailey
Ladd-Barzal-Eberle
Nelson-Beau-Ho-Sang
???-Cizikas-Clutter

Leddy-Boy
Pulock-???(CDH)
Pelech-Mayfield

Halak
Greiss
 

Hunn

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UFAs:

JT – blank check.

Bailey – resign, even if it amounts to a little more than 5M.

CDH – upgrade at TD, if possible.

Halak – he's a better goalie than Greiss, but it seems to me that both Halak and Snow are pretty much sure about their future with each other. Anyway, Halak is not crucial to this team to succeed (unless Greiss disintegrates).

All others can walk.

RFAs:

I would love to sign all 5, but am not so well versed in RFA rules, therefore, not sure they all can be reasonably accommodated under the cap.

Extensions:

Lee and Beau – resign.

Eberle – not sold on him yet, let him play some more.

Others:

One of Ladd/Clutterbuck must be unloaded.
 

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UFAs
Bailey 3.3 AAV - 5M

RFAs (Arbitration Eligible)
Nelson 2.5 AAV - 3.5M

I think your estimates may be a little low on these two. Tomas Tatar was arbitration eligible and he settled with Detroit at $5m per, I think. They have similar career numbers, and arbitration leverage is based on numbers. I see Nelson getting a bit less because his numbers are a bit lower, but I wouldn't be shocked to see Nelson looking for $4.6-$4.8 per... maybe even $5. Bailey is gonna get more than that too if he continues trending up. Probably something closer to what Nielsen got.. $5.3-$5.6ish.

It doesn't seem like a lot, but it shaves another $1.75-$2m off your remaining room. Then you're looking at $3-$4m to fill 3-4 spots.
 

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At the end of this season we're going to have the greatest amount of turnover we've seen in awhile. We have 2.6 million in cap space as of today. Who should we sign/trade/let go? What should we sign them for? I'll keep this post updated as the season goes along and players sign or get traded.

UFAs
Tavares 5.5 AAV
Bailey 3.3 AAV
Kulimen 4.2 AAV
Chimera 2.25 AAV
de Haan 3.3 AAV
Hickey 2.2 AAV
Seidenberg 1.25 AAV
Halak 4.5 AAV

RFAs (Arbitration Eligible)
Nelson 2.5 AAV
Prince 850k AAV
Quine 612k AAV
Mayfield 863k AAV

RFAs
Pulock 863k AAV

Eligible for Extention July 1st (2 seasons remaining: '17-'18, '18-'19)
Lee (UFA) 3.75 AAV
Beauvillier (RFA) 894k AAV
Eberle (UFA) 6m AAV

Cap remaining: 2.6

This is assuming JT re-signs for $10 million per (he'll realize that he can't max out given how Edmonton is set up with McDavid . . . 8 years times $10 million), also the Salary Cap goes up another $2 million, which has been happening pretty regularly lately.

Bailey is the toughest one to figure out since if this team keeps playing like this and he stays on the 1st line we end up with a similar situation to Okposo, but without the health history. There's a decent likelihood Bailey ends with 70 points this year and maybe more. Then it becomes similar to Lee and you have to offer $6 million per if he hits 70 points.

Seidenberg and Quine can both likely be re-signed for under $2 million total and are likely agreeable to doing so. Mayfield also can come in at around Seidenberg type money.

No point in extending Beauvillier yet but you have to offer Lee at least $6 million per. We have time to assess Eberle, no need to negotiate with him yet. Eberle could be replaced by Ho-Sang eventually but Lee has no replacement part available pretty much anywhere in the NHL.

Nelson needs to be assessed towards the end of the year on production. He's pretty much limited to being a goal scorer, a lot like Bjugstad in Florida, and nothing more than that right now. He's easily replaceable in free agency by a Radim Vrbata type player and the budget for that slot should not be more than $4 million per depending on what line he needs to fill.

Kulemin is not coming back because he won't sign for what he currently is worth, which is about $1.5 million per.

DeHaan will sign elsewhere for more money and we should be glad about that. That spot is pretty much for Toews or Pelech, as Pulock continues to cement his role and eventually becomes the Top 4 pairing we hope for.

Halak will be moving on unless he gets red hot for most of the season and gets us to the conference finals, otherwise we move on.

Prince, Hickey and Chimera are definitely replaceable at their current salaries or less.

So, here's my thoughts:

First line of JT, Lee and Bailey come back together at $22 million total per year, starting in 2019-20 and about $20 million next season. This line can stay together for at least 5 more years and will be worth it as one of the top lines in the NHL

Second line of Barzal, Eberle and Ladd for 2018-19, TBD after that at the current total of $13 million right now

Third line of Ho-Sang, Beauvillier and potentially Nelson for about $ 6 million next season and TBD in 2019-20

Fourth line of Clutterbuck, Cizikas and a possibility of someone in Bridgeport right now or a one year FA for a total of about $ 7 million next year.

That's $46 million for the forwards next year, plus about $2 million for the bench for $48 million

$29 million left to spend

Leddy and Boychuck combine for about $12 million

Pulock and Pelech should combine for $3.5 million

Toews, Mayfield and Seidenberg for about $3.5 million

That leaves $10 million for the rest

Greiss at $3.3 million and whoever fills the goalie slot (Soderstrom maybe but possibly someone outside the organization for $5 million and that's about it.
 
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UFAs:

JT – blank check.

Bailey – resign, even if it amounts to a little more than 5M.

CDH – upgrade at TD, if possible.

Halak – he's a better goalie than Greiss, but it seems to me that both Halak and Snow are pretty much sure about their future with each other. Anyway, Halak is not crucial to this team to succeed (unless Greiss disintegrates).

All others can walk.

RFAs:

I would love to sign all 5, but am not so well versed in RFA rules, therefore, not sure they all can be reasonably accommodated under the cap.

Extensions:

Lee and Beau – resign.

Eberle – not sold on him yet, let him play some more.

Others:

One of Ladd/Clutterbuck must be unloaded.


This is what I'm hoping for. We can afford to keep Clutterbuck and Ladd for next season, after that Lee and potentially Eberle will be due for new contracts.

At this point let's see how CDH plays until the trade deadline and assess from there.

We absolutely need to resign Tavares AND Bailey. We also need to find an upgrade in net for the next couple of seasons until Soderstrom or Sorokin are ready.
 

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Flames fan coming in peace. Wondering if there's any way we could pry ho-sang away from you. Not really sure what your big needs are though...
 

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At the end of this season we're going to have the greatest amount of turnover we've seen in awhile. We have 2.6 million in cap space as of today. Who should we sign/trade/let go? What should we sign them for? I'll keep this post updated as the season goes along and players sign or get traded.

UFAs
Tavares 5.5 AAV - Re-sign
Bailey 3.3 AAV - Re-sign
Kulimen 4.2 AAV - Interested but money and term have to be similar to what Chimera got with us
Chimera 2.25 AAV - Bye
de Haan 3.3 AAV - Still too early for me
Hickey 2.2 AAV - Still too early for me
Seidenberg 1.25 AAV - Bye
Halak 4.5 AAV - Still too early for me

RFAs (Arbitration Eligible)
Nelson 2.5 AAV - Interested, but depends on how he finishes the year and what his ask is. Can see NYI moving him for the right price. I wonder if he could be packaged with Clutterbuck and sent to a young team with cap space looking to upgrade their forward group for cheap.
Prince 850k AAV - Still too early for me
Quine 612k AAV - Still too early for me
Mayfield 863k AAV - Re-sign

RFAs
Pulock 863k AAV - Re-sign

Eligible for Extention July 1st (2 seasons remaining: '17-'18, '18-'19)
Lee (UFA) 3.75 AAV - Re-sign
Beauvillier (RFA) 894k AAV - Re-sign
Eberle (UFA) 6m AAV - Still too early for me

Cap remaining: 2.6
 

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Valimaki has potential but I'm sensing you're looking for something now.

Ho-sang + pulock for TJ Brodie?

I'd rather just keep Ho-Sang. Bailey and Eberle are both UFAs within 12-24 months. Pulock can still be a second pairing defenseman who is a healthy contributor to the powerplay as well.
 

SI

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This is assuming JT re-signs for $10 million per (he'll realize that he can't max out given how Edmonton is set up with McDavid . . . 8 years times $10 million), also the Salary Cap goes up another $2 million, which has been happening pretty regularly lately.

Bailey is the toughest one to figure out since if this team keeps playing like this and he stays on the 1st line we end up with a similar situation to Okposo, but without the health history. There's a decent likelihood Bailey ends with 70 points this year and maybe more. Then it becomes similar to Lee and you have to offer $6 million per if he hits 70 points.

Seidenberg and Quine can both likely be re-signed for under $2 million total and are likely agreeable to doing so. Mayfield also can come in at around Seidenberg type money.

No point in extending Beauvillier yet but you have to offer Lee at least $6 million per. We have time to assess Eberle, no need to negotiate with him yet. Eberle could be replaced by Ho-Sang eventually but Lee has no replacement part available pretty much anywhere in the NHL.

Nelson needs to be assessed towards the end of the year on production. He's pretty much limited to being a goal scorer, a lot like Bjugstad in Florida, and nothing more than that right now. He's easily replaceable in free agency by a Radim Vrbata type player and the budget for that slot should not be more than $4 million per depending on what line he needs to fill.

Kulemin is not coming back because he won't sign for what he currently is worth, which is about $1.5 million per.

DeHaan will sign elsewhere for more money and we should be glad about that. That spot is pretty much for Toews or Pelech, as Pulock continues to cement his role and eventually becomes the Top 4 pairing we hope for.

Halak will be moving on unless he gets red hot for most of the season and gets us to the conference finals, otherwise we move on.

Prince, Hickey and Chimera are definitely replaceable at their current salaries or less.

So, here's my thoughts:

First line of JT, Lee and Bailey come back together at $22 million total per year, starting in 2019-20 and about $20 million next season. This line can stay together for at least 5 more years and will be worth it as one of the top lines in the NHL

Second line of Barzal, Eberle and Ladd for 2018-19, TBD after that at the current total of $13 million right now

Third line of Ho-Sang, Beauvillier and potentially Nelson for about $ 6 million next season and TBD in 2019-20

Fourth line of Clutterbuck, Cizikas and a possibility of someone in Bridgeport right now or a one year FA for a total of about $ 7 million next year.

That's $46 million for the forwards next year, plus about $2 million for the bench for $48 million

$29 million left to spend

Leddy and Boychuck combine for about $12 million

Pulock and Pelech should combine for $3.5 million

Toews, Mayfield and Seidenberg for about $3.5 million

That leaves $10 million for the rest

Greiss at $3.3 million and whoever fills the goalie slot (Soderstrom maybe but possibly someone outside the organization for $5 million and that's about it.

Def. align with this post in terms of the turnover - I can def. see Prince (RFA) or Quine (uFA) filling in or one of the Bport kids (Dal Colle?) or an Vet UFA (<1m) to fill out the bottom 6.

The major issue is Soderstrom will need at least season in the AHL and UFA market looks terrible.

Greiss needs more support.

Might have to be a trade.

There is also Gibson - who has shown some serious Kung Fu so far - SO last night
 

SI

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Def. align with this post in terms of the turnover - I can def. see Prince (RFA) or Quine (uFA) filling in or one of the Bport kids (Dal Colle?) or an Vet UFA (<1m) to fill out the bottom 6.

The major issue is Soderstrom will need at least season in the AHL and UFA market looks terrible.

Greiss needs more support.

Might have to be a trade.

There is also Gibson - who has shown some serious Kung Fu so far - SO last night

Also, I agree Isles let de Haan walk.

If anyone is paying attention Aho scored again last night at B port.

You may have Aho and Toews banging on the door by the end of the season -

Might see Hickey, de Haan, and Seidenberg all walk- sounds scary but if Pelech, Pulock and Mayfield solidify their roster spots - Aho and Toews won't feel so risky.
 

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For UFAs, you focus on JT and Bailey while qualifying the RFAs. Play hardball with the RFAs during the summer to keep the budget as balanced as possible. Ultimately you'd like to minimize the turnover to Kulemin, Chimera, CdH, Hickey, Halak...

I see a guy like Mike Green being on that UFA list after the trade deadline as well. Trade the 2x 2018 2nd rounders along with Seidenberg to improve the blueline for the playoffs. The question would then be, if acquired, would we extend him.

In a fantasy world I'd love to walk into the draft having won the lottery with Calgary's pick to grab Dahlin. At that point I'd be looking to move either the NYI 1st or the 2019 1st for a young goalie who is close to prime age years ready for a #1 role, a la Cam Talbot. I'm thinking Petr Mrazek in particular.

On mobile and haven't worked out the salary, but the dream would be to ice the following next season:

Lee-Tavares-Bailey
Ladd-Barzal-Eberle
Nelson-Beau-Ho-Sang
Quine-Cizikas-Clutterbuck

Leddy-Boychuk
Pelech-Green
Dahlin-Pulock
Toews-Mayfield

Mrazek
Greiss

Soderstrom, Aho, Bellows, MDC, etc. In the AHL... that would be a team competing for the Cup over the next several years.

Not that he is available, but Inwould target someone like Markstrom over Mrazek (he's looked pretty awful) would rather sign Ward or Raanta than that.

If Vancouver drops down the standings Markstrom would be my target.

Dahlin would be the dream, but more likely if Calgary drops around to 9, 10, 11 there are a couple d men that would be pretty awesome
 

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Not that he is available, but Inwould target someone like Markstrom over Mrazek (he's looked pretty awful) would rather sign Ward or Raanta than that.

If Vancouver drops down the standings Markstrom would be my target.

Dahlin would be the dream, but more likely if Calgary drops around to 9, 10, 11 there are a couple d men that would be pretty awesome
Mrazek is only 25 years old. He's going to be entering his prime years in the next few seasons and he still has a ton of potential as a legit starting goaltender. I still have his OHL days in the back of my mind and if we could buy low on him and get him for cheaper I'd be all for it.

Markstrom would be another one to go after, but I'm partial to Mrazek from his OHL days. I really think he's going to be one of those guys who figures it out one year and enters the elite tier of goalies in the league.

As far as Calgary's pick, Dahlin is the dream, but I would love Smith or Wilde as well. That said, Merkley seems more likely the one we'd end up with. The guy with the most question marks...
 

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I let de Haan walk only because he's going to get overpaid, not because he's awful like some folks still insinuate. The only problem with letting de Haan walk is that you are completely tied to the rookies performing well. We go back to Streit VS. Donovan and that was a failure. We are leaving it up to whether or not the rookies taking proven veteran spots end in failure as well. Not sure I want to play that game.

Mike Green isn't the answer, lol....not even worth half credit. If the Isles let de Haan walk it needs to be for a stay at home defenseman, not another PP play specialist with little defensive ability. I'd hope they could find someone to fill that void. We still have Flames draft picks to dangle for someone worthwhile.

I also consider signing Halak for another two years. He's never seemed to be a guy who chases money and I don't think any of our prospects are going to be ready for backup duty without more time or some time in the AHL. I think Halak is still a decent guy to keep around for the purpose of rookies maturing, however my gut tells me he's a goner. Too much awkwardness during his time here.
 

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Valimaki has potential but I'm sensing you're looking for something now.

Ho-sang + pulock for TJ Brodie?

I'd take that in a heartbeat, however Brodie has a modified NMC and I'm not sure we have the cap space to add him right now. I still see value in Pulock, but I have a feeling it's going to be a long road until he puts it together. Brodie could do what he does and way more right now. JHS is superskilled, but unfortunately I don't think he'll ever play in a system. That might fly for some teams, but obviously the Islanders aren't having it. As much as I love JHS as a player, just don't see him making it in a close minded environment like this franchise has.
 

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Let’s let the season play out. No one even knows where this team will stand by trade deadline which could be as significant as any date in Islanders history.

It is fin to speculate but a top 3 or bottom 3 finish in the Division are still a possibility
 

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Kulemin, Chimera, Hickey, Seidenberg walk...
JT, Bailey, need to stay...
CDH and Halak are the question marks...

CDH has to earn his contract, and so far he hasn't...

As I mentioned in another thread, if they don't sign Halak then Snow needs to make a trade as there are no quality goalies in the UFA market or in the system that are available next year...
If Jaro want 2 years at 4mil, I'd do it, but no more...

Lee-JT-Bailey
Ladd-Barzal-Eberle
Nelson-Beau-Ho-Sang
???-Cizikas-Clutter

Leddy-Boy
Pulock-???(CDH)
Pelech-Mayfield

Halak
Greiss

This is what I am thinking also. Gotta think one of Toews, Aho, or Wortherspoon will be ready to step up? By next season Dal Colle I believe is out of options so he will be on the roster or gone.
 

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Flames fan coming in peace. Wondering if there's any way we could pry ho-sang away from you. Not really sure what your big needs are though...

The Flames are filled with veteran players under restricting contracts and youngsters who management won't move. There's no way your team will be trading Johnny Gaudreau or Sean Monohan. The D-corp is set in stone. Sam Bennett is your most movable roster player, and I wouldn't trade Josh Ho-Sang for Sam Bennett. I would trade Josh Ho-Sang and Brock Nelson for Sam Bennett and a top prospect, but none of the prospects in the Flames pool seem overly appealing. So, I'd go Josh Ho-Sang and Brock Nelson for Sam Bennett and a 2019 1st and 2nd round pick.

The Flames don't have the assets and the Islanders don't have a need for a straight up swap involving Josh Ho-Sang.
 

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The Flames are filled with veteran players under restricting contracts and youngsters who management won't move. There's no way your team will be trading Johnny Gaudreau or Sean Monohan. The D-corp is set in stone. Sam Bennett is your most movable roster player, and I wouldn't trade Josh Ho-Sang for Sam Bennett. I would trade Josh Ho-Sang and Brock Nelson for Sam Bennett and a top prospect, but none of the prospects in the Flames pool seem overly appealing. So, I'd go Josh Ho-Sang and Brock Nelson for Sam Bennett and a 2019 1st and 2nd round pick.

The Flames don't have the assets and the Islanders don't have a need for a straight up swap involving Josh Ho-Sang.

Bennett is in Dal Colle territory
 

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Bennett is in Dal Colle territory

I disagree. Bennett has an NHL history. I think he's in a Bailey-type bad situation in Calgary. I know he has no points this year, but he is someone who I'd roll the dice on, but we don't need him. I certainly wouldn't trade Ho-Sang for him straight up. There's really no way the Flames can get him (and I know you're not arguing for that). I would definitely trade your mentioned Michael Dal Colle for Sam Bennett straight up, though. I would then use Sam Bennett to get Matt Duchene. Something that also will not happen.
 

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The Flames are filled with veteran players under restricting contracts and youngsters who management won't move. There's no way your team will be trading Johnny Gaudreau or Sean Monohan. The D-corp is set in stone. Sam Bennett is your most movable roster player, and I wouldn't trade Josh Ho-Sang for Sam Bennett. I would trade Josh Ho-Sang and Brock Nelson for Sam Bennett and a top prospect, but none of the prospects in the Flames pool seem overly appealing. So, I'd go Josh Ho-Sang and Brock Nelson for Sam Bennett and a 2019 1st and 2nd round pick.

The Flames don't have the assets and the Islanders don't have a need for a straight up swap involving Josh Ho-Sang.

I want Adam Fox involved!
 

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