Speculation: Roster Speculation, 2018 Off-Season

[Aladyyn]

You mean staying healthy?

That's a low bar you have.

 

[stokes84]

That's a low bar you have.

Not really. He was the one player that we knew what we were getting game in and game out. Being nearly a PPG with this supporting cast is a borderline miracle.

 

[Gabrielor]

You mean staying healthy?

I mean three ways really.

Stay Healthy.
Score more for then against 5 on 5.
Get better at faceoffs.

When Jack starts winning his matchup 5 on 5, we'll start contending for playoff spots regularly.

 

[stokes84]

I mean three ways really.

Stay Healthy.
Score more for then against 5 on 5.
Get better at faceoffs.

When Jack starts winning his matchup 5 on 5, we'll start contending on playoff spots regularly.

Team stat

 

[Gabrielor]

Team stat

I go out of my way to defend Eichel on here, because people get carried away with him.

That said, I still want to see improvement, and him improving will have a large impact. Imagine if he puts together a MacKinnon 17-18 season?

 

[Chainshot]

I go out of my way to defend Eichel on here, because people get carried away with him.

That said, I still want to see improvement, and him improving will have a large impact. Imagine if he puts together a MacKinnon 17-18 season?

Not getting caved in 5-on-5 would be most welcome from Eichel and his line in particular.

 

[AustonsNostrils]

It's gonna suck if the ankle is a recurring thing with him - two seasons in a row with a high ankle sprain. He's definitely prone to them now.

 

[darcyRegier]

Could the ankle sprains be related to him tying his skates too tight? Or maybe they were just two really random incidents?

I'm just hoping that it won't happen again to him, I don't think he's ever had an injury like that before the first high ankle sprain . Hoping it doesn't happen to him again

 

[AustonsNostrils]

Could the ankle sprains be related to him tying his skates too tight? Or maybe they were just two really random incidents?

I'm just hoping that it won't happen again to him, I don't think he's ever had an injury like that before the first high ankle sprain . Hoping it doesn't happen to him again

An orthopedist would have the answer, I did try to google info about increased proneness to more high ankle sprains with the more of them you suffer but didn't find anything. He is a powerful skater, puts a lot of force on those ligaments, and who knows maybe the power lifting he does isn't good for his ankle. One would hope the Sabres medical and sports science staff have done the research.

 

[Icicle]

Lol are people going to blame Eichel who has been playing with trash linemates?

 

[Moskau]

It's gonna suck if the ankle is a recurring thing with him - two seasons in a row with a high ankle sprain. He's definitely prone to them now.

Reminds me of one of my favorite Chinese proverbs which when roughly translated says something like "Sprain me once, shame on me. Sprain me twice, well now you're definitely just prone to sprains."

Could the ankle sprains be related to him tying his skates too tight?

I think they're related to his leg bending at a weird angle.

 

[dotcommunism]

It's gonna suck if the ankle is a recurring thing with him - two seasons in a row with a high ankle sprain. He's definitely prone to them now.

An odd thing to say when in your next post you say you weren't able to find anything to support the idea that previous high ankle sprains make someone more susceptible to future ones.

 

[joshjull]

Not getting caved in 5-on-5 would be most welcome from Eichel and his line in particular.

But thats the thing, he wasn't caved in. His CF%, SCF%, HDCF%, SF% were all roughly 49%. ROR's were roughly 50%. Jack's GF % was 46% (4th among our forwards). ROR was 5th at 44%. None were above 50% and the top 3 were Pommer, Kane and Erod all around 47%. But I would attribute most of the GF% problem to the utterly brutal 5v5 goaltending we got last year. Among the worst in the league. The only center that got caved in was Larsson with a GF% of 24% (17 goals for/ 53 against)

Get better talent around Jack/ROR with at least league average goaltending. That, with all other things being equal, would see both of them win their matchups.

 

[Sabre the Win]

The second high ankle sprain was just unlucky even tho I think Marchand dove at him with intent.

 

[joshjull]

The second high ankle sprain was just unlucky even tho I think Marchand dove at him with intent.

Marchand had nothing to do with the 2nd ankle sprain. Its was Grzylek (sp?)

 

[Sabre the Win]

Marchand had nothing to do with the 2nd ankle sprain. Its was Grzylek (sp?)

Ah either or it was unlucky and the dive to me looked more intentional even if it was not.

 

[joshjull]

I go out of my way to defend Eichel on here, because people get carried away with him.

That said, I still want to see improvement, and him improving will have a large impact. Imagine if he puts together a MacKinnon 17-18 season?

I get you want him to keep improving. So do I and everyone else on here. But using 5v5 team stats to measure his individual improvement is a poor way to do so.

 

[AustonsNostrils]

Reminds me of one of my favorite Chinese proverbs which when roughly translated says something like "Sprain me once, shame on me. Sprain me twice, well now you're definitely just prone to sprains."



I think they're related to his leg bending at a weird angle.

Here you go sweetie, everything's going to be alright.

The greatest risk factor is a previous ankle sprain: suffering from one ankle sprain can cause you to be at least twice as likely to experience another one within the next year

It's an unfortunate truth that once a person suffers an ankle sprain, they are more likely to injure that ankle again.

 

[Kyndig]

Here you go sweetie, everything's going to be alright.

Well now both his ankles are messed up.

 

[DatGuy]

who cares about jack. I want Dahlin to stay healthy. Dahlin is the Swedish McJesus.

 

[Moskau]

Here you go sweetie, everything's going to be alright.

Is it an unfortunate truth that once a person suffers an ankle sprain, they may sprain a completely different ankle in a freak Hockey accident as well?

 

[DJN21]

They were different ankles. There is no correlation just 2 unlucky events.

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

One ankle sprain...rehab. Two ankle sprains...euthanasia.

 

[Ace]

Jack’s line mates much of the year were Girgensons and Pominville and the defense behind him was the worst in the league. No one could move a puck except him.

I don’t need him to be better.

I need him to play for a non Mickey Mouse organization.

When you come to the end of year 3 with this player and he’s skating with GIRGENSONS AND POMINVILLE you should be relegated.

 

[littletonhockeycoach]

Re: Jack's high ankle sprains........

It's actually called a syndesmotic injury in medical parlance. This figure and paper describes it best: Isolated Syndesmotic Injury


Figure 1
The mechanism of syndesmotic injury is described. (A) A direct blow down to the leg of a football player external rotates the ankle to give syndesmotic injury. (B) External rotating force is applied to the ankle of an ice hockey player when the player's foot is planted and the knee internal rotated.

Jack's syndesmotic muscle that connects his tibia and fibula was likely sprained. (Actually torn is a better description.) But no one showed me the MRI so I am guessing. However......

A sprained ankle is one of the most common injuries caused by participation in sports. It refers to soft tissue damage (mainly ligamentsligaments) around the ankle joint. A High Ankle Sprain refers to ligament damage at the joint between the shin bone (Tibia) and splint bone (Fibula). This joint is referred to as the Ankle Syndesmosis.





Frankly, it doesn't seem to have anything to do with how tight he laces his skates, the type of skate he wears, how he skates or that he's particularly prone to this injury. It will happen to anyone who is unfortunate enough to have to his foot/ankle bend in one direction and his knee in another. Coincidental that he's had it happen twice. Otherwise, just chalk it up to bad karma.