Speculation: Roster Building Thread Part XIV: There ain't no gettin' off of this train we're on
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Irishguy42
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He will be turning pro, yes. Probably with the Wolf Pack.
BobMarleyNYR
Rangers future on D
Hmm, I don't know... you guys are pretty gung-ho re-build, and didn't he just have like 60 goals in 65 games or something? He could crack the lineup to start...
Irishguy42
Mr. Preachy
As an overager, yes. Let's see how he looks playing in the AHL by December.
SA16
Sixstring
To be fair Marchand was nowhere near an elite player when the Bruins started trading players. They traded Dougie Hamilton/Lucic after 2014-2015 and Marchand was coming off a 42 point season.
Mac n Gs
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The one thing that I hope we start putting a premium on is right-handed shots. When you watch successful teams like WPG, NSH, BOS, etc., you notice how they have guys that can attack and are readily in position to make plays on their forehand. It also helps that these are some of their most skilled players, but it really does give you some room for creativity in the offense zone and an advantage in controlling a cycle game.
Extra righty shots make a huge difference on the powerplay too.
Extra righty shots make a huge difference on the powerplay too.
Beacon
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He probably starts in the ECHL, then moves up quickly to the AHL before Thanksgiving or Christmas once he adjusts to the pro game. In his limited AHL games, he's looked more like a top-shelf ECHLer than a scoring AHLer. For now, at least. Maybe he improves his game during the preseason enough to catch up and stick in the AHL, but sticking in the AHL means improving on what he is today. Various issues like being in the right place at the right time, and thinking quickly, just isn't on the pro level yet, and his skill isn't so overwhelming that it makes his flaws irrelevant at the AHL level.
The ECHL is a better league than the Juniors. Look at the profiles of any ECHL roster and what you notice immediately is that 80% of the players were first liners in the NCAA/Juniors by their last year there. Our old friend Keegan Iverson went from a WHL first liner to being the 12-th overall scorer among forwards for the ECHL Monarchs, plus 4 defensemen outscored him, and in points per game it was 15 forwards and 5 defensemen outscoring him. Ronning can play a couple months against former CHL/NCAA first liners who are now older, stronger and wiser. Adjust to the pro level, then get recalled to the AHL.
The odds of Ronning making the Rangers in October are exactly the same as the odds of me making the Rangers. He looks worse than Evan Jesper who just made his AHL debut after being called up from the ECHL. Fogarty and Tambellini look like Messier and Graves compared to Ronning. He's not even an AHL player yet.
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BobMarleyNYR
Rangers future on D
Overager or not... at 20... 70-61-23... You'd EXPECT at least 20 AHL goals, which might not be fair but, yeah, guess we'll see...
BobMarleyNYR
Rangers future on D
It sounds like you expect little of him... a top-shelf ECHLer is an AHLer... even to begin with, an ECHL assignment isn't a good prognosis... BTW, this is Cliff's son, right?
Edge
Kris King's Ghost
I’d be somewhat surprised if he were to start in the ECHL.
I think he’ll compete at the AHL level, and did show some ability there a year ago.
Whether he can translate that further, remains to be seen. He’s still a long shot, but he’s at least a long shot that’s shown progress.
I think he’ll compete at the AHL level, and did show some ability there a year ago.
Whether he can translate that further, remains to be seen. He’s still a long shot, but he’s at least a long shot that’s shown progress.
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Maybe we don't have a Bergeron or a Marchand, though Marchand wasn't even Marchand when they did the sell off. Prior to Lucic/Hamilton being traded, Marchand's career highs were 28 goals and 55 points. After they were traded, starting at the age of 27, he has scored 37/61, 39/85 and 34/85. It may be coincidental, but it is interesting that Zibanejad, Hayes and Kreider all seemed to take their games to a new level after we traded everyone (and Kreider got healthy).
Maybe Zib becomes our Bergeron. Or maybe Lias, Chytil or Howden will. We have some good pieces and if we draft well, we can have similar success.
Beacon
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St. Croix scored about 200 points in the WHL his last 2 seasons there, then couldn't score 20 goals in any of the 3 seasons he played in the ECHL before retiring. Iverson had slightly a higher ppg than Ronning as an overager and went to be become an ECHL 4th liner. Yogan scored the same per game, wasn't an overager and had a better overall game, yet became a career ECHLer. Chris Chappell scored almost as much, was huge and had some all-around game. Went on to become an ECHL role player, before sliding down to the Central Hockey League, a semi-pro level where you get paid a little, but nowhere near enough to survive.
The Juniors are very easy to score in.
In 2015 Boston also had pick 13 & 15, 3 picks in a row. All three of their picks were at least a little questionable at the time they where made. Debrusk at 14 looks good, but they passed on Barzal, Connor and Chabot, who went with the next 3 picks! Boeser also went 23. The players are there, teams just need to identify them properly.
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Edge
Kris King's Ghost
Personally, I think Ronning is a better prospect than St. Croix or Yogan.
Having said that, we shouldn’t lose sight of Ronning still being a long a shot.
He has a list of things he is going to have to work on in order to reach the NHL - his defense, his strength, his positioning and a few other things.
He’s also going to have to evolve as a player, because he’s not going to have more skill than his competition. So his success will depend largely on whether he can bring an energy game that results in some offensive contributions. Can his frame and game bring that element? Can he unlearn some bad habits he picked up in his last year of juniors (which isn’t entirely his fault)? That remains to be seen.
Having said that, we shouldn’t lose sight of Ronning still being a long a shot.
He has a list of things he is going to have to work on in order to reach the NHL - his defense, his strength, his positioning and a few other things.
He’s also going to have to evolve as a player, because he’s not going to have more skill than his competition. So his success will depend largely on whether he can bring an energy game that results in some offensive contributions. Can his frame and game bring that element? Can he unlearn some bad habits he picked up in his last year of juniors (which isn’t entirely his fault)? That remains to be seen.
Definitely. And I think it’s something Gorton and Sather have been trying to cheat with forever. Look at how much our PP improved when we got in a RHS at the blueline and a RHS on the left side.
If you have to consider handiness as a GM it makes your job more difficult, but you can’t cheat with. I know that Boston had many LHS when they won the Cup, but it’s becoming harder and harder every year. The faster the game is getting the more a D is hurt from being forced to pull the puck from back hand to forehand before making the play. A RHS forward going to the net when the puck is on the right side can bang it into an empty net, a LHS might not even get a shot off. You need a mix.
We have Ziba and Fast up front, it’s just too few. Lettieri? Would help. Lias and Chyts are LHS. All other forwards on the roster are LHS including Names and Spooner. We picked up 8 kids/players at the deadline and all were LHS right?
You can’t threat the LHS/RHS issue by like going for the preferred option if everything else is equals. You must basically set aside a number of positions on the lineup for each handiness. You should have like at least 4 RHS up front. If you only have 1-2 RHS forwards — you just must make though decisions to get RHS into the lineup.
Definitely — I actually had that analogy in mind when making that post. Like Kreider and Ziba won’t become carbon copies of Bergeron and Marchant. But the existing core must step up and improve a lot. Ziba and Kreider. But also Buch and I do think that Vesey is one of the more underrated forwards on our team right now. I think he has a big step forward in him. Hayes. Skjei.
Marchand took a big step after the 15’ season. He was 27 y/o then. Sometimes it takes time. 29 is an age many start to give up on forwards, but he has never been better. Probably the type who can play well into his 30s. It’s one thing that is worth looking into too. Some guys will be able to play a lot longer than others. Many were freakin out by Atkinson’s contract with CBJ. From 27 to 34. I wouldn’t at all be surprised if CA also is that type who will play well at least to 35...
Tawnos
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Ryan Callahan scored 52 goals as an overager. Jonathan Marchessault scored 40 goals as an overager. Jordan Eberle scored 50 goals as an overager.
etc etc
In other words, there’s not much call for the negativity yet. You may be right in the end, but you’re not right yet. What other players did really has no bearing on Ty Ronning.
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True, but it is easier to be negative and then claim you were right all along if Ronning doesn't develop into an NHL player. Beacon is very negative about every player. It's a safe strategy since 90% of prospects never develop into anything special, he's right 9 out of 10 times.
Tawnos
A guy with a bass
I don’t have any problem with skepticism in the sense that no player is an NHL player until they are. But in the same exact sense no player is not an NHL player until he proves he can’t hack it.
It’s really too early and a few games at the end of a very long season doesn’t really mean much.
It’s okay to say Ronning is a wild card right now. He may never be anything. He may be something. The same is true of Gettinger.
Smith managed **two** points in 11 AHL games, was -11 in that stretch. Some people curious how he’ll do with a different coach. He had a different coach the past couple months and it didn’t do him any good.
Tawnos
A guy with a bass
Because we’ve NEVER seen someone bounce back from a bad season, even an historically bad season.
We get it. You dislike the guy.
Machinehead
GoAwayTrouba
I think Ronning is a very good prospect and already better than what should be expected considering where he was picked.
But he's a good 2-3 years away from the NHL.
But he's a good 2-3 years away from the NHL.
Machinehead
GoAwayTrouba
The Rangers would be stupid not to give Smith a chance. And a lot of it has nothing to do with his play.
1)We're paying him
2)We have arguably the worst D corps in the league. What competition is keeping him out?
1)We're paying him
2)We have arguably the worst D corps in the league. What competition is keeping him out?
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