Speculation: Roster Building Thread Part XI: We can read between the lines

[Beacon]

However you arrive at it the Rangers are a collection of interchangeable parts with no dynamic superstar talent.

Interchangeable parts means 4 second lines. The Rangers, however, have no depth. Doesn't work.

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

Graves is a 4th rd, 19th pk (110th overall) - I hope he could make the team this year, but he did not - so why wait and he is 22 years old. I think we should look for a new prospect, and some teams are interested in Graves so it should be easy to move him for a future. And I`m not happy about Pavelec - I think we should look after a new backup goalie so add him in that Graves package to move some salary at the same time.

Defenseman typically take longer to develop. Patience. I'm not against moving Graves but definitely not in a deal as underwhelming as this one.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

What sucks about the Talbot trade is that we couldn't get that 2nd first rounder the Oilers had. Instead it went to the freaking Islanders for freaking Griffin Reinhart. Barzal should have been ours.

I will say it again. Talbot was not worth a 1st rounder. Maybe a 2nd rounder if we add a lower pick. But the contract he was on, his role at the time, the other, younger goalies with cost-controlled years left being on the market all contributed to his value being lower than people want to believe.

 

[Riche16]

However you arrive at it the Rangers are a collection of interchangeable parts with no dynamic superstar talent.

Probably closer to the truth than hyperbole

 

[Irishguy42]

Hmmmmmmmmm...so Larry Brooks was right in that something was up with the Rangers looking at Shaw and Galchenyuk

 

[Ghost of jas]

Hmmmmmmmmm...so Larry Brooks was right in that something was up with the Rangers looking at Shaw and Galchenyuk

Brooks also said neither Kreider nor Miller were on the table.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Hmmmmmmmmm...so Larry Brooks was right in that something was up with the Rangers looking at Shaw and Galchenyuk

Was that before or after Renaud Lavoie mentioned the exact same thing?

 

[haveandare]

However you arrive at it the Rangers are a collection of interchangeable parts with no dynamic superstar talent.

Same can be said of much of the league including many teams that have been in the finals as of late. You can win both ways imo.

 

[Alluckks]

Gorton has been one of the best GMs in hockey IMO. You wanna see a general manager with his head up his arse, look at the Oilers and Chiarelli.

Chiarelli gets credit for being absolutely gifted McDavid and then having a 50% success rate on Top 10 picks, of which he has had 6 (excluding McDavid) recently. His trades have been garbage, player development bad, and very meh signings (that Lucic signing is gonna kill them).

 

[Alluckks]

Nash @ 50%, Staal at 5 per year (eating 700k), and Graves for Galchenyuk and Shaw

 

[RGY]

Brooks also said neither Kreider nor Miller were on the table.

Praying this was true.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Nash @ 50%, Staal at 5 per year (eating 700k), and Graves for Galchenyuk and Shaw

Take out Nash, Graves and Shaw.

 

[Trxjw]

Well if neither Kreider or Miller were involved, but Galchenyuk was discussed, it stands to reason Zuccarello was likely made available in some capacity.

 

[Vinny DeAngelo]

Watching EDM right now since they need wingers and we have some for sale..

I'm 100% not interested in RNH looks like a complete passenger on his line. Worse Stepan whos better at faceoffs

 

[trilobyte]

Gorton has been one of the best GMs in hockey IMO. You wanna see a general manager with his head up his arse, look at the Oilers and Chiarelli.

I'll see your Chiarelli and raise you a Marc Bergevin.

 

[RangerBlues]

Same can be said of much of the league including many teams that have been in the finals as of late. You can win both ways imo.

Yeah. Pittsburgh and Chicago have no dynamic talent.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Take out Nash, Graves and Shaw.

And Montreal makes this deal why?

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Gorton has been one of the best GMs in hockey IMO. You wanna see a general manager with his head up his arse, look at the Oilers and Chiarelli.

Can you explain how?

He's made the team worse, and mortgaged the future many times that resulted in no real success.

 

[Alluckks]

Can you explain how?

He's made the team worse, and mortgaged the future many times that resulted in no real success.

Huh?

 

[Alluckks]

Watching EDM right now since they need wingers and we have some for sale..

I'm 100% not interested in RNH looks like a complete passenger on his line. Worse Stepan whos better at faceoffs

I've been saying sending a package of Nash and Grabner there makes a lot of sense.

Maybe for Puljujarvi and 2nd+2nd (18' and 19')

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

And Montreal makes this deal why?

Bc Bergavin.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

And Montreal makes this deal why?

Because they get to swap a young top 6 forward for an overpriced karakter player with a bad contract, the Montreal special

 

[aufheben]

Can you explain how?

He's made the team worse, and mortgaged the future many times that resulted in no real success.

The only bad move I can think of is the kick at the bucket Eric Staal trade.

Traded Brassard for Zibanejad
Traded someone for Raanta
Traded Stepan & Raanta for #7 and DeAngelo
Traded 4th for Holden (had a great season)
Signed Grabner (had a great season)
Signed Vesey
Signed Desharnais (having a solid season)
Signed Shattenkirk (on pace for 65 points)

He's building for the future while keeping the team competitive. Many on here will disagree with this philosophy but I think he's doing a great job at it, especially considering tearing down a perennial playoff team is totally unrealistic.

His value signings/trades have been great, and the Zibanejad trade speaks for itself; brought in the young #1C with a complete skillset and huge potential that everyone on here has been clamoring for for years. The Stepan trade is also a big win IMO because I do not think this team actually misses Stepan very much. DeAngelo looks like a good young player who fills a big need, and that was our highest draft pick in over a decade. Raanta was acquired for nothing and then is later packaged for a top-10 pick. Smith trade I liked a lot too, how well the contract works out remains to be seen.

Getting younger, some great trades, and elite dumpster-diving make for an excellent GM in my eyes.

 

[Alluckks]

The only bad move I can think of is the kick at the bucket Eric Staal trade.

Traded Brassard for Zibanejad
Traded someone for Raanta
Traded Stepan & Raanta for #7 and DeAngelo
Traded 4th for Holden (had a great season)
Signed Grabner (had a great season)
Signed Vesey
Signed Desharnais (having a solid season)
Signed Shattenkirk (on pace for 65 points)

He's building for the future while keeping the team competitive. Many on here will disagree with this philosophy but I think he's doing a great job at it, especially considering tearing down a perennial playoff team is totally unrealistic.

His value signings/trades have been great, and the Zibanejad trade speaks for itself; brought in the young #1C with a complete skillset and huge potential that everyone on here has been clamoring for for years. The Stepan trade is also a big win IMO because I do not think this team actually misses Stepan very much. DeAngelo looks like a good young player who fills a big need, and that was our highest draft pick in over a decade. Raanta was acquired for nothing and then is later packaged for a top-10 pick. Smith trade I liked a lot too, how well the contract works out remains to be seen.

Getting younger, some great trades, and elite dumpster-diving make for an excellent GM in my eyes.

The Smith contract looks to be his worst re-signing to date.

However, he has also done tremendous with our RFAs.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Huh?

Eric Staal, and as someone mentioned the last page this guy was a big part of the trades under Slats where we traded for Yandle and MSL. I don't know why he gets a pass for what happened under Slats when he was running the day to day operations. Do we really think that he wasn't part of these important decisions when Slats tabbed him to take over for him like two months later? We got to a Cup Final and a Conference Final, but we didn't win the Stanley Cup, so its basically irrelevant. He also didn't trade Yandle when he could've, his team went out in the first round. Lost assets there, as well.