Roster and Fantasy GM Thread: Pre-Draft Silly Season

[Horse McHindu]

The fact that you even think theres a chance they would waive their NMC to be traded to separate teams is absolutely ludicrous.

But again - it would only be for a few months, and one or both guys would get one last shot at a cup.

They/He could come back to Van for one year and retire as Canucks.

The twins want to stay in Vancouver, but they also want to help Vancouver as much as they can. What better way to do that then fetching us high picks?

Is it a good chance this will happen? Probably not. However - if the above can be explained to them, then I think Hank or Dan could come around to the idea. Again - it's just for a few months. Hank tries to go get a cup, and then comes back to Van in the off-season.........all the while, fetching us a 1st and a good prospect.

p.s._____________In all likelihood, it would just be one of Hank or Dan in this scenario as I can't see the Canucks trading back for Hansen.

1) Canucks trade Hank (50% retention) for a 1st and a good prospect.
2) A week later, the Canucks extend Daniel's contract for 1 more year at a decent cap hit (which gives further proof to Henrik that the Canucks want the twins to retire as Canucks).
3) Hank re-signs with the Canucks on July 1st 2018 at the same cap hit as Dan.

It's also very likely that Hank returns to his family in Vancouver in April or May once his new team is eliminated from the playoffs.

2-3 months away from Vancouver. Oh my god, his whole world has been turned upside down!!!!!!

 

[rypper]

They were discussing the twins on 650 (mid morning) about them re-signing or not etc. How even if the canucks wanted to part ways they don't have anyone to fill their spots or bring the points they do.

How even if the twins walked or retired the canucks would just have to sign players in FA to fill the spots (a la Vanek.)

Got me thinking how different that situation would be if we'd selected Nylander and TKachuk. (Or Ehlers, Keller, etc) Both would certainly fill the points gap the twins bring. Maybe not the much vaunted mentorship factor.

Two picks could have set us up so differently.

 

[BeardyCanuck03]

They were discussing the twins on 650 (mid morning) about them re-signing or not etc. How even if the canucks wanted to part ways they don't have anyone to fill their spots or bring the points they do.

How even if the twins walked or retired the canucks would just have to sign players in FA to fill the spots (a la Vanek.)

Got me thinking how different that situation would be if we'd selected Nylander and TKachuk. (Or Ehlers, Keller, etc) Both would certainly fill the points gap the twins bring. Maybe not the much vaunted mentorship factor.

Two picks could have set us up so differently.

Differently? yes for sure. Just not drafting Virtanen and picking Ehlers (and to a lesser extent Nylander) alone would have the Canucks in a much different and better spot. For me, if Juolevi can make the team at least show legit top 4 potential than I won't quibble about that pick. I also feel the Juolevi pick gets overly criticized because of the Virtanen pick. Two top 5 pick misses in 3 drafts is not something fans will forget.

 

[BROCK HUGHES]

Differently? yes for sure. Just not drafting Virtanen and picking Ehlers (and to a lesser extent Nylander) alone would have the Canucks in a much different and better spot. For me, if Juolevi can make the team at least show legit top 4 potential than I won't quibble about that pick. I also feel the Juolevi pick gets overly criticized because of the Virtanen pick. Two top 5 pick misses in 3 drafts is not something fans will forget.

Well hopefully the Pettersson pick takes some of the sting away from all of the others..

 

[Horse McHindu]

Well hopefully the Pettersson pick takes some of the sting away from all of the others..

Given that Boeser is better than all of Ehlers, Nylander, Tkachuk, etc, I think a lot of the sting has already been negated. A Pettersson-Horvat 1-2 punch at center for the next 10-12 years also looks to be quite promising.

Then, when you factor in that Tryamkin will very likely return to us at some point, that’s a hell of a lot of positives if you ask me.

How does Juolevi look this year by the way?

If it helps people at all, just replace the names of “Virtanen” and “Juolevi” with “Boeser” and “Tryamkin.”

1) Boeser is better than Ehlers and Nylander
2) Tryamkin is as valuable as Tkachuk.

 

[ginner classic]

Well hopefully the Pettersson pick takes some of the sting away from all of the others..

Maybe wait until he has an impact in the NHL to declare that one a win.

 

[Horse McHindu]

Baertschi for a young RHD. Goldobin takes Baertschi’s spot

Was wondering what you guys thought about this idea? Goldobin is cheaper and younger than Baertschi. Although Goldobin didn’t exactly light it up while he was with the big club, he does seem like a guy that has outgrown the AHL.

I don’t know if I’m fully on board with this idea, but I’m interested to see if Baertschi could land us a young decent RHD that can play (or have a great chance of developing into) a 2nd pairing defensemen.

Goldobin then gets promoted to the Top 6. Given where Goldobin is in his development, I feel confident that he could “grow” into a Top 6 role with a little more ice-time.

On the flip side of all this, the “Russian factor” scares me a bit (I.e. him going back to the KHL at the flip of a dime).

However - if Goldobin can grow into that Top 6 role with enough ice-time (I think he’s beyond the AHL at this point), and you could swing Baertschi for a young RHD that would be a worthy #4, then I think it might be worth considering. Goldobin isn’t that far off from Baertschi, and the Canucks are in dire need of a solid defenseman that can play the right side.

 

[Ryp37]

Baertschi for a young RHD. Goldobin takes Baertschi’s spot

Was wondering what you guys thought about this idea? Goldobin is cheaper and younger than Baertschi. Although Goldobin didn’t exactly light it up while he was with the big club, he does seem like a guy that has outgrown the AHL.

I don’t know if I’m fully on board with this idea, but I’m interested to see if Baertschi could land us a young decent RHD that can play (or have a great chance of developing into) a 2nd pairing defensemen.

Goldobin then gets promoted to the Top 6. Given where Goldobin is in his development, I feel confident that he could “grow” into a Top 6 role with a little more ice-time.

On the flip side of all this, the “Russian factor” scares me a bit (I.e. him going back to the KHL at the flip of a dime).

However - if Goldobin can grow into that Top 6 role with enough ice-time (I think he’s beyond the AHL at this point), and you could swing Baertschi for a young RHD that would be a worthy #4, then I think it might be worth considering. Goldobin isn’t that far off from Baertschi, and the Canucks are in dire need of a solid defenseman that can play the right side.

Could probably get a prospect like Rasmus Andersson for him

 

[Cquant]

Maybe Nashville is a fit for Baertschi?
They have Carrier/Dougherty who could be young RHD's to come back. Also Grant Mismash looks interesting. Could always ask for picks back.
I'd love to see Dougherty + 2nd.

 

[Duckhugs]

I could see it happening as I don't see baer as part of the long-term future

 

[Black Noise]

1) Boeser is better than Ehlers and Nylander
2) Tryamkin is as valuable as Tkachuk.

Tryamkin as valuable as Tkachuk? Are you serious? A defenceman that was ok but not great when he was here and that jumped to Russia the first chance he got is as valuable as a 20 year old winger on pace for almost 60 points?????
Absolutely absurd.

 

[BeardyCanuck03]

Could probably get a prospect like Rasmus Andersson for him

I see what you did there...

Honestly through he's worth more than just the 2nd he was acquired for now.

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

I would love to know what young RHD you think is available for a 40-point winger who is about to get paid. Please give us examples.

 

[Horse McHindu]

I would love to know what young RHD you think is available for a 40-point winger who is about to get paid. Please give us examples.

I'm not sure. Do you have any thoughts on the subject?

 

[Dissonance Jr]

Definitely hope Tryamkin comes back someday but I'm a little leery of getting hopes too high. Mat Robinson has been named KHL defenceman of the month three times in the past two years and he's a guy who couldn't even crack the AHL, so hard to read too much into that award.

Tryamkin had a decent rookie season, but he was playing less than 17 minutes a game and looked like he was tracking to be a reliable if offensively limited mid-pairing defender, not a whole lot more. Unless his game has taken a quantum leap in the past year (has anyone even seen him play?) I don't think he's close to as valuable as Tkachuk.

 

[Pip]

I see what you did there...

Honestly through he's worth more than just the 2nd he was acquired for now.

Is he? If so I don’t think by much.

 

[Cquant]

What about Vanek to Calgary for Kylington and Jagr?

We could maybe add a small prospect like Brassard or McKenzie or McEneny. I actually think McEneny might be a good fit, I seem to remember them wanting an LHD for the bottom pairing. He is injured right now though.

 

[Horse McHindu]

Definitely hope Tryamkin comes back someday but I'm a little leery of getting hopes too high. Mat Robinson has been named KHL defenceman of the month three times in the past two years and he's a guy who couldn't even crack the AHL, so hard to read too much into that award.

Tryamkin had a decent rookie season, but he was playing less than 17 minutes a game and looked like he was tracking to be a reliable if offensively limited mid-pairing defender, not a whole lot more. Unless his game has taken a quantum leap in the past year (has anyone even seen him play?) I don't think he's close to as valuable as Tkachuk.

Have a look at this article.

Based on this article, it really does look like Tryamkin has taken a significant leap in his game. How that would translate to the NHL, we don't know, but I think it's a good read:

Vancouver Canucks: Nikita Tryamkin fits Travis Green’s system

 

[BeardyCanuck03]

Is he? If so I don’t think by much.

Baertschi has scored at a 20 goal and 40+ point pace the past two seasons. Add in he's a still just a RFA, and to a contender/playoff team looking to add a good top 6/9 forward, that's a 2nd and a prospect.

That being said, he's not being traded until the likes of Lind, Dahlen and to a lesser extent Goldobin (or his return) make the team full time.

 

[Dissonance Jr]

Have a look at this article.

Based on this article, it really does look like Tryamkin has taken a significant leap in his game. How that would translate to the NHL, we don't know, but I think it's a good read:

Vancouver Canucks: Nikita Tryamkin fits Travis Green’s system

That's pretty much just a recitation of his stats (and I'm not sure why a career high in PIM is a good thing). Again, it would be great if he was improving by leaps and bounds, but hard to tell from this. Hope we'll be able to see him play at the Olympics.

 

[Melvin]

Baertschi has scored at a 20 goal and 40+ point pace the past two seasons. Add in he's a still just a RFA, and to a contender/playoff team looking to add a good top 6/9 forward, that's a 2nd and a prospect.

That being said, he's not being traded until the likes of Lind, Dahlen and to a lesser extent Goldobin (or his return) make the team full time.

What is your precedent?

 

[Pip]

Baertschi has scored at a 20 goal and 40+ point pace the past two seasons. Add in he's a still just a RFA, and to a contender/playoff team looking to add a good top 6/9 forward, that's a 2nd and a prospect.

That being said, he's not being traded until the likes of Lind, Dahlen and to a lesser extent Goldobin (or his return) make the team full time.

Pace is key. I don’t see any team giving up a second and a worthwhile prospect for Baertschi

 

[WTG]

ATTENTION THE CANUCKS ON THE LOOKOUT FOR ANOTHER USELESS OVERATED PLUG

 

[geebaan]

Have a look at this article.

Based on this article, it really does look like Tryamkin has taken a significant leap in his game. How that would translate to the NHL, we don't know, but I think it's a good read:

Vancouver Canucks: Nikita Tryamkin fits Travis Green’s system

yet somehow you've deduced he's better than Tkachuk. Stop with these outlandish, unbacked up crazy opinions, and maybe, just maybe, someone will engage you in a positive discussion like you seem to want.

Until then its kind of like "debating" with an old man yelling at clouds.

 

[passive voice]

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