Post-Game Talk: Reigning Stanley Cup Champions @ Blackhawks 12:30 EST

[peterthegreat12]

#facts

 

[maacoshark]

So now you're saying the players are responsible for the losing streak and not the coach. Which is it? Stick to a narrative buddy. You've got fellow fans to annoy.

I'm saying the players aren't playing with structure. Its not one player its everyone. And yes I believe it is a coaching problem.
I guess when I said I'm not sure what happened to the Orlov/Niskanen pairing this season after having a couple good seasons together, it went way over your head. Think about it. What has changed this year that may have affected their play? I'll spell it out for you. Coaching changed.

 

[hockeykicker]

 

[Tweedsuitcase]

I'm saying the players aren't playing with structure. Its not one player its everyone. And yes I believe it is a coaching problem.
I guess when I said I'm not sure what happened to the Orlov/Niskanen pairing this season after having a couple good seasons together, it went way over your head. Think about it. What has changed this year that may have affected their play? I'll spell it out for you. Coaching changed.

I might buy this if Rierden wasn’t the coach responsible for defense the last few years.

 

[StrikingDistance]

I'm saying the players aren't playing with structure. Its not one player its everyone. And yes I believe it is a coaching problem.
I guess when I said I'm not sure what happened to the Orlov/Niskanen pairing this season after having a couple good seasons together, it went way over your head. Think about it. What has changed this year that may have affected their play? I'll spell it out for you. Coaching changed.

Over my head? No it didn't. Just making sure you keep on message. Every mad scientist needs a handler and I would volunteer for such a role if it paid well and included therapy.

Actually Reirdon was here last year and many gave credit to him for turning this team around.

So look at the quotes coming out of the locker room today. Players owning up for being complacent etc. Sure, Reirdon made some decisions I haven't liked, but same with turtling Trotz. How many games did we lose because of the turtle? More than 5 I bet.

The Isles board is calling...get out there and be somebody!

 

[maacoshark]

Over my head? No it didn't. Just making sure you keep on message. Every mad scientist needs a handler and I would volunteer for such a role if it paid well and included therapy.

Actually Reirdon was here last year and many gave credit to him for turning this team around.

So look at the quotes coming out of the locker room today. Players owning up for being complacent etc. Sure, Reirdon made some decisions I haven't liked, but same with turtling Trotz. How many games did we lose because of the turtle? More than 5 I bet.

The Isles board is calling...get out there and be somebody!

I watched all of those games last year and we didnt lose because of turtling. Turtling is dumping the puck in the offensive zone and keeping everyone in the neutral zone to slow your opponent down. We never did anything like that. Infact we were still giving up odd man rushes when we were protecting a lead. You call that turtling?
You just want a more offensive and less disciplined structure. Well that's what you got. We are playing like 5 individuals out there.

 

[trick9]

Never thought i'd see a day where our D's score 6 goals in a game and still looks absolutely brutal.

 

[maacoshark]

I might buy this if Rierden wasn’t the coach responsible for defense the last few years.

Woah just a minute. Reirden was responsible for the dcore only. He wasnt responsible for the forwards back checking or the system as a whole.
A defensive system isnt just the 2 defence men. Its all 5 guys. The forwards are just as important especially in today's game with dmen pinching at the offensive blue line so often. The best defencemnen in the world won't be successful without support from the forwards.
Your argument doesn't hold water.
I think what we are finding out is that our dcore probably isnt as good as we thought it was and it was more about the system.

 

[g00n]

Their play starting with that Preds loss on NYE told me what I needed to know about how this month was going to go. I've skipped most of the games because I've got better things to do than watch a bunch of goldbrickers coasting until April.

Looks like the GDTs are the same, tho. LOL

 

[IafrateOvie34]

Now that was a stinker. Time to get the act together.

 

[Capsman]

They have to cut down on the turnovers at the other teams blue line.

Connelly’s was especially egregious.

 

[Devil Dancer]

Orlov, Bowey and Copley all really bad today.

Kuzy is getting chances but is developing stone hands.

Ovie's on vacation already.

 

[maacoshark]

Connelly’s was especially egregious.

3 of the Hawks goals came off turnovers by our forwards. Connolly at the blue line. Eller and Vrana in the offensive zone. There were several other similar turnovers that didn't result in goals. We have been doing that all year.

 

[BallardEra]

Isles up 3-0 on the Ducks with 10 minutes.

Did anyone honestly expect them to be leading the Metro before the ASG?!

 

[Tweedsuitcase]

Woah just a minute. Reirden was responsible for the dcore only. He wasnt responsible for the forwards back checking or the system as a whole.
A defensive system isnt just the 2 defence men. Its all 5 guys. The forwards are just as important especially in today's game with dmen pinching at the offensive blue line so often. The best defencemnen in the world won't be successful without support from the forwards.
Your argument doesn't hold water.
I think what we are finding out is that our dcore probably isnt as good as we thought it was and it was more about the system.

Nice try, but you were singling out two defensemen , not the D core as a whole. You clearly implied that those two defensemen took a dive as a result of trotz leaving and rierden getting promoted. You’re either changing your argument now or were using vague wordplay to bait someone into drawing a specific from your general points that you could refute

 

[kicksavedave]

Isles up 3-0 on the Ducks with 10 minutes.

Did anyone honestly expect them to be leading the Metro before the ASG?!

At least one guy did!

 

[ovikovy817]

The caps just need to reset. Play a simple game. Back to the basics and the W will come back

 

[Sam Spade]

#loseforHughes

#playlikekakkaforKakko

 

[CapsGr8]

All-star break can't come fast enough. Hoping they recoup and get the ball rolling in the right direction.

Every team has its ups and downs. We're so accustomed to their success that we can't take it when they hit a speedbump. No need to panic.

 

[HecticGlow]

Woah just a minute. Reirden was responsible for the dcore only. He wasnt responsible for the forwards back checking or the system as a whole.
A defensive system isnt just the 2 defence men. Its all 5 guys. The forwards are just as important especially in today's game with dmen pinching at the offensive blue line so often. The best defencemnen in the world won't be successful without support from the forwards.
Your argument doesn't hold water.
I think what we are finding out is that our dcore probably isnt as good as we thought it was and it was more about the system.

That says to me it’s less about the HC changing, and more about the change in assistant coaches responsible for Defensemen and Forwards. It’s widely known how closely Todd worked with the D corps in his previous job - something he won’t have nearly as much time to do now - but Lane Lambert was also described as a guy who had immense attention to detail and had a lot to do with getting the forwards to buy into the defensive structure. People can focus on the HC all they want - and they do play an obviously important role - but in reality 3 of the main 5 coaches this year weren’t in their current positions last year. A fourth (Scott Murray) wasn’t in that position before last year, and no longer has the benefit of Mitch Korn to help out when things get tough in net.

With that turnover over the last two years, and relative lack of stability, it’s no surprise the coaching staff is going to be disjointed at times and learning on the job. It’s one of the reasons people need to limit their expectations of a repeat - if teams honestly thought an assistant-turned-rookie head coach was in at least a good a position to help a team repeat as the last HC, why were teams not hiring Lambert and Forsyth as HC this year? Indeed, if it didn’t take a full coaching staff effort to build those successes, why would Trotz care so much about taking Lambert and Korn with him to NYI? To me the bigger fault of GMBM last summer wasn’t letting Trotz leave necessarily, but underestimating the significance of a losing Trotz, Korn and Lambert in one go. And while I wish Scott Arniel and Reid Cashman well and I hope they’re successful in their roles, I haven’t seen anyone make the argument that they’re at the same level of talent or ability at this point as the two members of the team they’re directly or indirectly replacing.

 

[IafrateOvie34]

All-star break can't come fast enough. Hoping they recoup and get the ball rolling in the right direction.

Every team has its ups and downs. We're so accustomed to their success that we can't take it when they hit a speedbump. No need to panic.

Yep, never did like the Allstar game. I guess it gives players a rest, but a waste of time.

 

[maacoshark]

That says to me it’s less about the HC changing, and more about the change in assistant coaches responsible for Defensemen and Forwards. It’s widely known how closely Todd worked with the D corps in his previous job - something he won’t have nearly as much time to do now - but Lane Lambert was also described as a guy who had immense attention to detail and had a lot to do with getting the forwards to buy into the defensive structure. People can focus on the HC all they want - and they do play an obviously important role - but in reality 3 of the main 5 coaches this year weren’t in their current positions last year. A fourth (Scott Murray) wasn’t in that position before last year, and no longer has the benefit of Mitch Korn to help out when things get tough in net.

With that turnover over the last two years, and relative lack of stability, it’s no surprise the coaching staff is going to be disjointed at times and learning on the job. It’s one of the reasons people need to limit their expectations of a repeat - if teams honestly thought an assistant-turned-rookie head coach was in at least a good a position to help a team repeat as the last HC, why were teams not hiring Lambert and Forsyth as HC this year? Indeed, if it didn’t take a full coaching staff effort to build those successes, why would Trotz care so much about taking Lambert and Korn with him to NYI? To me the bigger fault of GMBM last summer wasn’t letting Trotz leave necessarily, but underestimating the significance of a losing Trotz, Korn and Lambert in one go. And while I wish Scott Arniel and Reid Cashman well and I hope they’re successful in their roles, I haven’t seen anyone make the argument that they’re at the same level of talent or ability at this point as the two members of the team they’re directly or indirectly replacing.

It was Trotz system. No one else's. And now his system ius doing wonders in New York.
Its time to stop making excuses for Reirden.

 

[VaCaps Fan]

Nah, it’s the Caps system to win! Caps were winners before trotz and long after!

 

[Calicaps]

It was Trotz system. No one else's. And now his system ius doing wonders in New York.
Its time to stop making excuses for Reirden.

 

[Corby78]

Well they are saying the right things, let’s see if they do the right things.