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Pretty sure they just had a few injuries on do and he wasn't called up.
What anout the wild? They could be a team to deal w too
maybe Coyle.. one can hope.. id love him. another big kid..
Pretty sure they just had a few injuries on do and he wasn't called up.
What anout the wild? They could be a team to deal w too
What about Stefan Elliott? He's a RHD and bigger than Barrie
What about Stefan Elliott? He's a RHD and bigger than Barrie
Pretty sure they just had a few injuries on do and he wasn't called up.
What anout the wild? They could be a team to deal w too
Why are we so eager to add McGinn? He would end up on the 4th line as we are currently made up.
Sure if we deal Callahan he'd be a nice addition to our 3rd line, but that's hardly a given.
Rangers scouts have been at Avs games the last month or so, nothing big out of this
Jamie McGinn isn't a fourth liner on any team in the NHL, least of all ours. I don't know if you watch him, so I'm not going to accuse you of stat grabbing, but the statement alone sounds like a classic case of it. McGinn is a ton like Hagelin. An ideal third liner who can play on the second. When he plays top six minutes, he produces fairly consistently. With Duchene, O'Reilly, Landeskog, Stastny, Parenteau, Tanguay and MacKinnon (seven guys) all ahead of him in a very talented Colorado offense, he doesn't get those minutes a lot and instead plays with guys like Mitchell and Talbot 90% of the time. He would have more chances at the top six here as we're nowhere near as rich offensively and more PP time and would be a nice option as a larger, much more physical almost identical to Hagelin. Even so, he's not a fourth liner anywhere. He's a good hockey player.
Pouliot hasn't been the better player over the past three seasons. He's put up more points. He's a pretty useless hockey player otherwise. And he's been used in more offensive roles. Phil numbers this year aren't more impressive either because, again, McGinn plays with guys like Mitchell and Talbot while Pouliot gets time with Zucc and Brass and plays PP. Moreover, this team could use toughness, but toughness that can skate and play the game and contribute. That's McGinn. Pouliot is a one year stop gap journeyman with absolutely no higher upside than what we're currently seeing. McGinn would be a good long term acquisition and, if given the same opportunities Pou has been given here, would easily out produce him while providing plenty of things Pou doesn't provide. I'm also taking into consideration moving Cally, which I think is the smart move, which gives you two spots where McGinn would fit. Finally, you want options. We switch the lines up a lot. Even if McGinn did end up taking a lot of shifts with Boyle and Dorsett, those line mates wouldn't be worse than what he currently skates with (and still matches Pou) and he'd be available to slot up if someone is having a bad game, is hurt, goes cold for a long stretch or we decide to move someone else to strengthen a different position. By no means would McGinn be the main piece of any deal, but he's a player I would love to get back as a part because of his versatility, upside and his grit but ability to be more than a fourth liner makes him the kind of player I think we need. That's all. He's no second coming. I just think he'd be a solid pickup that provides lots of utility and some much needed toughness that can actually play.
That's honestly who I wanted a while ago.
I think I had something like this
Staal + Boyle + 3rd
for
Statsny + Elliot + 2nd
in an offseason thread.
Not gonna argue any of it. I'm not a fan of Pouliot. I'm glad he's contributing here, but I wouldn't want him for more than another year. He's not good enough to be a genuine top sixer and he's really not a third liner so he ends up being a out of place third line guy with PP specialties. I just have never liked him. I groaned when we signed him and I admit he's impressed me lately and had me eating some crow amongst friends.
Callahan I feel it's unwise to give the necessary pay day to and we need to capitalize on the return he can land us. McGinn will never be Cally, but as a pure third liner, I think he provides close to as much as Cally could on the third line (at ES) at a fraction of the cost. McGinn can play RW and has before. Imagine a third line of: Hagelin - Miller - McGinn. Could be one of the best out there. Speed, physicality, hustle, intensity, forechecking and he ability to put up points while taking care of their own. Any one of them could easily slide up for spot duty on the second line. If we can land Barrie + McGinn in a reasonable trade, I think it's good for us. Try to turn Cally into a guy whose ready to be a middle pair RHD. Barrie plays bottom pair and PP. Re-sign Girardi. I mean, I'd rather add to Cally (pick/B prospects/Brassard/etc.) and go for someone that can fill that spot, like Buff, than just get middling prospects for him. Unless Sather can mine a genuine A prospect from someone.
Kreider - Stepan - Nash
Pouliot - Brass/Richie - Zucc
Hagelin - Miller/Brass - McGinn
Dorsett - Moore - Boyle
McDonagh - Girardi
Staal - Byfuglien
Moore/Allen - Barrie
We'd probably be doing MDZ + 2nd/3rd and Cally + Kristo/Fast + picks to get there! but it seems a lot better without a lot of tinkering. I don't know. It's late. I was drinking earlier. I shouldn't even be up.
Let's get Barrie and the kid from Ducks so we could really be the smallest softest teams in the league. Both guys 5'10 and under...exactly what we need.
Don't look at size and toughness as some kind of averge size and toughness on the team.
If you have a good transition game, you can carry PF's. If you have a bunch of 6'2 players, you won't get up ice and the PF's will be completely ineffective.
I was thinking something like MDZ + Richards for Statsny (not serious of course) but then I realized, Statsny is a UFA so hell no would i trade Staal for Statsny, especially in the offseason!
http://stats.nhlnumbers.com/teams/COL?year=2014
This team would be scary with a good transition game. Our transition game is at best average at the moment and we are still one of the better possession teams in the league.
Why are we so eager to add McGinn? He would end up on the 4th line as we are currently made up.
Sure if we deal Callahan he'd be a nice addition to our 3rd line, but that's hardly a given.
Because there is no one else on the Avs. That's not a reason to make a deal. The Avs first round pick in June is the best asset they have. Barrie is a 5-10 defenseman. Who is the center piece in the deal? McGinn? Barrie?
Because there is no one else on the Avs. That's not a reason to make a deal. The Avs first round pick in June is the best asset they have. Barrie is a 5-10 defenseman. Who is the center piece in the deal? McGinn? Barrie?
McGinn's game is a solid one, not at a 4th line level. He is a solid 3rd line player. Not to be miscast as a 2nd liner.Pouliot has been a fantastic ES scorer (until he became a Ranger at least) and has been driving play well, which I prefer over McGinn's crash-bang game.
Size means nothing in all honesty.
You can still play with an edge and be hard to play against at 5'7.
Darius Kasparitis would be disappointed in you.
You all talk about size and being physical, doesn't matter if the guy they get is physical or not. He will come play for the Rangers and become a sissy. You can put Lucic and Chara on this team and they will stop throwing their weight around. Its the New York Rangers philosophy. Be Soft at all Costs.