Quebec and hockey - the discussion

[dabid]

They still have the same one that they had when the Nordiques left. The one that was outdated in 1992.

 

[GSC2k2*]

Wont work

red bull is playing with the emotions of quebec fans

Fact of the matter there is a group of nhl owners who would not mind to see the only Vancouver, TO and MOntreal have teams

Ott, Cal and Edmonton do not draw duing the regular season and when it comes playoff times--the TV rating go through the floor.

KC and Houston are the next 2 cities to get nhl teams.

Identify those owners. Then demonstrate how they hold those views.

I doubt you can.

If you cannot, then identify your meanderings as mere opinion and move along.

 

[daynus]

Most Unfortunate

Red Bull, thats a waste of money, Full Throttle is the stuff man. Way more Caffeine for the same price. Quebec Full Throttles has a better ring to it. Also a pretty good name for a Porn.

 

[futurcorerock]

Red Bull, thats a waste of money, Full Throttle is the stuff man. Way more Caffeine for the same price. Quebec Full Throttles has a better ring to it. Also a pretty good name for a Porn.

I'd rather someone piss in my mouth and poop in my eyes than drink Full Throttle

Quebec Rockstars would be tight, though

 

[futurcorerock]

I'd rather someone piss in my mouth and poop in my eyes than drink Full Throttle

Quebec Rockstars would be tight, though

PS.

Why the hell is it always assumed that franchises would have to be relocated to put a franchise in QC, Winny, or KC?

Red Balls would pay the expansion fee so **** Pittsburgh haters

 

[Hasbro]

I'd rather someone piss in my mouth and poop in my eyes than drink Full Throttle

Quebec Rockstars would be tight, though

The hillarity of the Son of Mike Savage sponsoring a team in Francophone Canada...

 

[futurcorerock]

The hillarity of the Son of Mike Savage sponsoring a team in Francophone Canada...

 

[jkrdevil]

PS.

Why the hell is it always assumed that franchises would have to be relocated to put a franchise in QC, Winny, or KC?

Red Balls would pay the expansion fee so **** Pittsburgh haters

Because the league fell into an economical mess in part because of expansion. I doubt they are going to expand quickly soon after the last expansion. The league has already stated that expansion is out of the question.

That said I believe the only way for Winnipeg, Quebec, or any other Canadian city to get another team would be through expansion. I don't think the league would approve of new ownership that has plans to move a team from a US market to a Canadian market. So it looks like QC and Winnipeg won’t be getting new teams for the foreseeable future.

 

[mr gib]

red bull - 27 grams of sugar - pure gut rot


Nutrition Facts: Serving Size: 8.3 fl. oz Servings per Container: 1 Amount per serving: Calories: 110 Total Fat: 0g Sodium: 200mg Protein: 0g Total Carbohydrates: 28g Sugars: 27g

 

[discostu]

Because the league fell into an economical mess in part because of expansion. I doubt they are going to expand quickly soon after the last expansion. The league has already stated that expansion is out of the question.

The league's revenue sharing also means that the league will really consider whether a new team is going to benefit the league before they grant a franchise.

 

[LazRNN]

I heard once Red Bull was made out of extract from bull testicles. I later found out it wasn't true, but it was too late, my psyche was already permanently scarred.

 

[dekem]

Le Colisee, built in 1947, enough said.

 

[Resolute]

has the city built an arena that seats over 20K and have the lowered their tax rate--one of the things that killed the team the first time around

No and no. Not that a 20,000 seat arena is needed anyway. A 17,55-18,500 seat arena with all of the key revenue generating streams would be plenty.

 

[Team_Spirit]

The key is not the number of seats , but luxury boxes. Le Colisé only has a couple . Even if some work have been done for the Remparts game's it's still very far from being a decent NHL arena. I suit the QJMHL perfectly and it was often sold-out last season (15k)

 

[vbet*]

It's too bad that they don't have a new stadium. They deserve a team. But the gov't would have to build it. And the Quebec provincial debt is out of controll and I can't see that happening.

 

[william_adams]

And the Quebec provincial debt is out of controll and I can't see that happening.

Really? Then why did Moody's just upgrade them to Double A??

 

[Hawker14]

I see a few posts about the chances of quebec city getting a team again

what is there current arena situation?

I know the peg just built a new arena that seats only 15'500--so that takes them out of the running for a relocation team

Quebec city poulation is 800k(census 2001)

has the city built an arena that seats over 20K and have the lowered their tax rate--one of the things that killed the team the first time around

winnipeg's 15,015 seat arena take us out of the running ?

then we'll just throw a roof over winnipeg stadium and seat at least 40,000 for games since capacity is all that matters, right ?

btw, quebec's attendance didn't kill the team, nor the provincial tax rate. a certain owner (hello mr. aubut) who payed C$8-14 million for the team (depending on the source) was offered U$68 million to sell.

 

[william_adams]

winnipeg's 15,015 seat arena take us out of the running ?

then we'll just throw a roof over winnipeg stadium and seat at least 40,000 for games since capacity is all that matters, right ?

btw, quebec's attendance didn't kill the team, nor the provincial tax rate. a certain owner (hello mr. aubut) who payed C$8-14 million for the team (depending on the source) was offered U$68 million to sell.

Yes you are right, but to blame Mr. Aubut is dead wrong. Mr. Aubut held a real option on his asset, the team. It was worth more to someone else (in a different country) than it was to him. This is precisely why a team wouldn't work in Quebec, Winnepeg, Hamilton or Resolute -- no one is going to pay more than current owners in the states think the teams are worth to move them.

http://www.investopedia.com/articles/03/012803.asp

 

[Hasbro]

winnipeg's 15,015 seat arena take us out of the running ?

then we'll just throw a roof over winnipeg stadium and seat at least 40,000 for games since capacity is all that matters, right ?

btw, quebec's attendance didn't kill the team, nor the provincial tax rate. a certain owner (hello mr. aubut) who payed C$8-14 million for the team (depending on the source) was offered U$68 million to sell.

Of course Aubut solicited the offer in order to get the new arena.

 

[Ted Hoffman]

Really? Then why did Moody's just upgrade them to Double A??

Moody's doesn't have a "double A" rating - they have (from bottom to top) A3, A2, A1, Aa3, Aa2, Aa1, and Aaa. Perhaps you're thinking of S&P ?

Besides, "debt rating" means squat when we're talking about the ability of Quebec to kick in money for a new arena. Debt service is the 3rd biggest item in the budget, the government has no money to put into a new arena and it's doubtful the citizens of Quebec are going to go along with putting $200M or so into a new arena for hockey.

 

[william_adams]

Moody's doesn't have a "double A" rating - they have (from bottom to top) A3, A2, A1, Aa3, Aa2, Aa1, and Aaa. Perhaps you're thinking of S&P ?

Besides, "debt rating" means squat when we're talking about the ability of Quebec to kick in money for a new arena. Debt service is the 3rd biggest item in the budget, the government has no money to put into a new arena and it's doubtful the citizens of Quebec are going to go along with putting $200M or so into a new arena for hockey.

Quebec has come a long way since the early 2000s with their fiscal issues. I'm not advocating that it would be financially wise for a provincial government to pitch in to help build an arena, but it is certainly within the realm of their budget should Charest so choose. Also, being seen as the man who facilitated bringing the Nordiques back (again, as wise as it would be financially) could be the think that puts him over the top in the next election...

 

[Beatnik]

Moody's doesn't have a "double A" rating - they have (from bottom to top) A3, A2, A1, Aa3, Aa2, Aa1, and Aaa. Perhaps you're thinking of S&P ?

Besides, "debt rating" means squat when we're talking about the ability of Quebec to kick in money for a new arena. Debt service is the 3rd biggest item in the budget, the government has no money to put into a new arena and it's doubtful the citizens of Quebec are going to go along with putting $200M or so into a new arena for hockey.

You are right, the gov and the city won't pay for it. The more they would do is to give tax exemption. The people in power in all level of governement beleive in the market economy. They won't help if the private sector is'nt ready to put money on the table.

The Colisée is ok for our current needs.

 

[william_adams]

Moody's doesn't have a "double A" rating - they have (from bottom to top) A3, A2, A1, Aa3, Aa2, Aa1, and Aaa. Perhaps you're thinking of S&P ?

Moody's does have a "Double A" rating, in fact they have three of them: Aa1, Aa2, and Aa3. All are known as "Double A" ratings. S&P has AA+, AA, and AA-, which are the equivalent of the aformentioned Moody's ratings and are also known as "Double A" ratings.

 

[william_adams]

That said I believe the only way for Winnipeg, Quebec, or any other Canadian city to get another team would be through expansion. I don't think the league would approve of new ownership that has plans to move a team from a US market to a Canadian market. So it looks like QC and Winnipeg won’t be getting new teams for the foreseeable future.

Have a heart, lots can happen in a couple of years... What happens if the US economy tanks 'cause of high oil prices, there are a couple of teams on the brink, and some crazy rich guy like Melnyk puts in a bid for one of the teams to move them to Quebec... or Winnipeg.... or Ft. McMurray!!

 

[jkrdevil]

Have a heart, lots can happen in a couple of years... What happens if the US economy tanks 'cause of high oil prices, there are a couple of teams on the brink, and some crazy rich guy like Melnyk puts in a bid for one of the teams to move them to Quebec... or Winnipeg.... or Ft. McMurray!!

If the US economy tanks most likely Canada's will as well.