Gold draft is ridiculous. On top of all the other issues, it doesn't at all take into account the strength of the opponents two teams face. If team A and team B are essentially identical but team A plays their remaining four games against Boston, Florida, NYR, and Vancouver, while team B plays against against Chicago, Anaheim, Columbus, and San Jose, things are incredibly unbalanced. Teams that have harder schedules to start the year will get eliminated earlier and have easier opponents later and will be massively favored by the system, meaning that the scheduling will be incredibly scrutinized and an even bigger source of issues than it is now.
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It is still being done in the EBEL/ICE Hockey League. One argument I have seen is that there were suspected instances of teams with a playoff ticket secured basically throwing games at the end of the regular season in oder to avoid a specific lower-seeded opponent (either their cryptonite or just a particularly hot team). Picking your opponent eliminated any potential incentive for higher-seeded teams to tank.
And why do you feel they need team names? Why is it important that a team be known as the The Toronto Somethngs as opposed to simply Toronto?
Yes, I realize they are likely to have them in the future (probably for season 2) but I'm just curious why you thi nk it's s bad to not have them.
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let them test it for us and see how it goes before mocking them. Its an interesting experiment , I'm talking about the draft idea
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This sounds great, and yet it's such a lazy point because it pretends "just add talent, and everything is immediately better" is the solution, when NHL history has shown repeatedly that merely adding a top player (or 2 ... or 3 ... or maybe even a half dozen picks in the top-10, like Quebec had from 1987-1991) is some instant cure, when there's a whole lot of other reasons - especially injuries and player holdouts - that might make it difficult.
If you want to invoke "fairness" here, do it. The fact is, bad teams are bad for a reason; slinging shit at them and screaming just f***ing get better or you can f***ing suffer doesn't magically make them better.
But to the last statement:
I don't see how not having a limit on how many times a team can pick in whatever range in whatever time period hurts anyone - and it's just as valid a statement. Meaning: it's a throwaway statement that everyone should just accept without further justification.
Bad teams that stay bad for long stretches of time stay that way because they're poorly run. That's their own problem. The only difference is instead of finishing last and getting to draft 1st year after year, you only get to do it a couple of times in a pretty generous period of time then you get slightly lower picks, and people don't have to watch the next big thing get drafted into oblivion.
Taking away their first round pick certainly isn't going to magically help them get better. I've more than justified my opinion on this, to which you said does nothing but create way more problems, which it really doesn't, and then to expand on that you suggest teams instead have draft picks removed, because bad teams are bad for a reason.
Could you explain to me how capping 1st overalls at twice per 5 years creates a ton of new problems? Because clearly I'm not seeing it.
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I’ve wanted the first rule in sports since I first heard someone mention it years ago
second rule wouldn’t work in the NHL because nothing is equal and some markets only have drafting high as an option to get top talent. Between no tax states, no move clauses, the ridiculously counterintuitive way offer sheets favor teams that are already good who probably don’t have cap space anyway (seriously how is this never talked about? The system treats San Jose and Florida like they’re holding the same pick value next year) And a dozen other reasons.
Every avenue to talent other than the draft is wildly uneven for some teams…and the draft is the only one anyone ever wants to change.
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2nd rule is dumb.
In a 32-team league, that'd mean that worst team would draft 16th, maybe if that team has good year they might improve their draft position to 14th or so, but it'd make it wholly impossible for that team to build elite depth thru the draft.
In a 32-team league, that'd mean that worst team would draft 16th, maybe if that team has good year they might improve their draft position to 14th or so, but it'd make it wholly impossible for that team to build elite depth thru the draft.
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Response from others: they should have thought about that before deciding to suck.
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It took balls to implement to the Gold Plan.
Yes, I went there.
Yes, I went there.
That means the worst team will be eliminated before the others, and will start accruing points far earlier too.
Yeah, but sometimes terrible teams are just terrible and there’s nothing more to it.
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The draft rule seems like a great way to make legitimately bad teams stay legitimately bad, assuming that your league has more than 6 teams.
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Gold drafting is ridiculous for the NHL because it doesn’t take into account that players aren’t going to give a shit about their team’s draft position.
NHL rosters have a lot of turnover. It’s very likely a current player will be gone by the time that pick shows up as a player in the NHL.
Not all players want to be a rentals, but many do, particularly if they haven’t had many shots at the playoffs.
Is a GM going to tell a player “sorry we need to keep you because we’re making a push for a top five pick”?
It’s just ass-backwards.
I do think it’s potentially a good idea for the PWHL because a novelty that gets fans interested in non-playoff teams’ games is good for them.
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Gold draft works for a league where 2 teams don't make the playoffs.
It doesn't work in the NHL, because all it will mean is the bad team that really needs a high draft pick is unlikely to get that high draft pick.
It doesn't work in the NHL, because all it will mean is the bad team that really needs a high draft pick is unlikely to get that high draft pick.
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Anaheim, Detroit and Montreal would get screwed in a "Gold Draft" of last year. Ottawa and Buffalo would get sizeable boosts for only winning two games.
(And yes I know teams would play differently with different draft rules, but it still shows that a legitimately bad team would just get screwed over in a Gold Draft, keeping them perpetually bad)
(And yes I know teams would play differently with different draft rules, but it still shows that a legitimately bad team would just get screwed over in a Gold Draft, keeping them perpetually bad)
Team | Eliminated | W | L | OTL | Points | Gold Draft | Actual Draft | Difference |
Columbus Blue Jackets | 3/17/2023 | 4 | 8 | 2 | 10 | 1 | 2 | 1 |
San Jose Sharks | 3/14/2023 | 3 | 8 | 3 | 9 | 2 | 4 | 2 |
Vancouver Canucks | 4/2/2023 | 4 | 2 | 0 | 8 | 3 | 11 | 8 |
Ottawa Senators | 4/6/2023 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 5 | 4 | 12 | 8 |
Chicago Blackhawks | 3/18/2023 | 2 | 10 | 1 | 5 | 5 | 3 | -2 |
Buffalo Sabers | 4/11/2023 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 6 | 13 | 7 |
St. Louis Blues | 4/2/2023 | 2 | 3 | 0 | 4 | 7 | 10 | 3 |
Philadelphia Flyers | 4/1/2023 | 2 | 5 | 0 | 4 | 8 | 7 | -1 |
Arizona Coyotes | 3/24/2023 | 1 | 6 | 2 | 4 | 9 | 6 | -3 |
Washington Capitals | 4/4/2023 | 1 | 3 | 1 | 3 | 10 | 8 | -2 |
Nashville Predators | 4/11/2023 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 11 | 15 | 4 |
Calgary Flames | 4/10/2023 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 12 | 16 | 4 |
Montreal Canadiens | 3/28/2023 | 1 | 6 | 0 | 2 | 13 | 5 | -8 |
Anaheim Ducks | 3/19/2023 | 0 | 10 | 2 | 2 | 14 | 1 | -13 |
Pittsburgh Penguins | 4/12/2023 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 15 | 14 | -1 |
Detroit Red Wings | 4/6/2023 | 0 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 16 | 9 | -7 |
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it's linked in the op.
That article lists 3 things. Playoffs, gold plan, and draft.
Was just looking for the 2 rules in a bullet point each.
I'm being a lazy reader, it's ok.
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