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[Duchene2MacKinnon]

This forum overrates R9 like no place I’ve ever seen.

Even the one crazy season in Inter…Messi and Cristiano have done that like eclipsed that like 10,11,12 times in this era.

may opinion, even in that era was that he wasn’t even the best Brazilian player of his time.

I’d like to see someone post any historical ranking, from anywhere, from anyone, where R9 is ranked so highly as he is here.

Dinho is even more overrated

 

[The Abusement Park]

This forum overrates R9 like no place I’ve ever seen.

Even the one crazy season in Inter…Messi and Cristiano have eclipsed that like 10,11,12 times in this era.

My opinion, even in that era was that he wasn’t even the best Brazilian player of his time.

I’d like to see someone post any historical ranking, from anywhere, from anyone, where R9 is ranked so highly as he is here.

I agree. One of the best natural talents ever, but CR7 has so clearly passed R9’s peak multiple times over. I don’t really see how there’s a discussion over who’s better.

 

[JeffreyLFC]

I agree. One of the best natural talents ever, but CR7 has so clearly passed R9’s peak multiple times over. I don’t really see how there’s a discussion over who’s better.

R9's is a better talent no doubt in my mind. Unlucky with injuries and was not committed in being the fittest player were his downfall.
CR7 is the opposite. One of the most fit player in football history with incredible work ethic.
If you give me for one game CR7 or R9 at their absolute peak I will take R9 every single time. R9s was passing defenders like nobody else that I have ever watched (with dribbles, speed or power) and was one of the best finisher in the game.

 

[JeffreyLFC]

Even Mourinho (who was involved with Barcelona when El Fenomeno was playing there said the same thing). It's not like he did not know all the qualities of CR7 either as he is himself Portuguese and coached him at Real Mardrid.

Jose Mourinho Names The Best Player Of All Time - It's Not Cristiano Ronaldo Or Lionel Messi

 

[The Abusement Park]

Even Mourinho (who was involved with Barcelona when El Fenomeno was playing there said the same thing). It's not like he did not know all the qualities of CR7 either as he is himself Portuguese and coached him at Real Mardrid.

Jose Mourinho Names The Best Player Of All Time - It's Not Cristiano Ronaldo Or Lionel Messi

From a talent standpoint I agree, there are few if any guys in the history of the sport that are more talented than him and CR7 isn't one. But in the end that doesn't really matter because CR7 utilized his talent better and in the end is the better player.

 

[cgf]

From a talent standpoint I agree, there are few if any guys in the history of the sport that are more talented than him and CR7 isn't one. But in the end that doesn't really matter because CR7 utilized his talent better and in the end is the better player.

He had the better career, but wasn't the better player.

 

[The Abusement Park]

He had the better career, but wasn't the better player.

Better talent ≠ better player.

 

[cgf]

Better talent ≠ better player.

That is also true, but it doesn't contradict my comment.

 

[The Abusement Park]

That is also true, but it doesn't contradict my comment.

I guess it depends on how you're ranking your players. If I'm doing a list of the best players of all time there's 0 chance R9 is higher. If I'm doing most talented than that's another story.

 

[cgf]

I guess it depends on how you're ranking your players. If I'm doing a list of the best players of all time there's 0 chance R9 is higher. If I'm doing most talented than that's another story.

Depends if we're ranking them based on who you'd want for a single game in their prime, for their peak season, for their best 3-4 years, or for their careers on the whole.

Also on how much emphasis you put on productivity/output.

 

[The Abusement Park]

Depends if we're ranking them based on who you'd want for a single game in their prime, for their peak season, for their best 3-4 years, or for their careers on the whole.

Also on how much emphasis you put on productivity/output.

Also good points.

 

[Evilo]

If you base it on talent Maradona is #1.
And you'll find Ben Arfa up there.

Which doesn't make sense.

 

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

If you base it on talent Messi is #1.
And you'll find Ben Arfa up there.

Which make sense.

Yes

 

[Say Hey Kid]

He had the better career, but wasn't the better player.

This is the dictionary definition for the word "wrong".

 

[Islay1989]

R9 is Lindros if Lindros was loved by everyone instead of hated by 95% of hockey fans.

 

[Evilo]

Comparison to Lindros is valid. Dominant for a few years.
Ronaldo though did perform good years without being at the peak.
But yeah.

 

[cgf]

This is the dictionary definition for the word "wrong".

You make a compelling case, this forum is enriched by your presence...

 

[Say Hey Kid]

You make a compelling case, this forum is enriched by your presence...

Thanks! Sarcasm admits defeat, my son. No case was needed. Whether you like Federer, Maradona, Messi, Nadal, Novak, Pele, whoever, the athlete that you think has the best career in the sport is the best player in that sport in your opinion. Cogito, ergo sum. I stink, therefore I am.

 

[cgf]

Thanks! Sarcasm admits defeat, my son. No case was needed. Whether you like Federer, Maradona, Messi, Nadal, Novak, Pele, whoever, the athlete that you think has the best career in the sport is the best player in that sport in your opinion. Cogito, ergo sum. I stink, therefore I am.

Simple minds like simple answers ;-)

 

[Say Hey Kid]

You know what they say: simple minds like simple answers ;-)

Agreed. Happy to please you.

 

[cgf]

Agreed. Happy to please you.

Oh it doesn't please me. This board has enough smug cretins.

 

[koyvoo]

Even Mourinho (who was involved with Barcelona when El Fenomeno was playing there said the same thing). It's not like he did not know all the qualities of CR7 either as he is himself Portuguese and coached him at Real Mardrid.

Jose Mourinho Names The Best Player Of All Time - It's Not Cristiano Ronaldo Or Lionel Messi

Interesting. I’m accustomed to people posting Mou opinions to prove how he’s a clueless schmuk out of touch with the game. Perhaps in this instance he’s a genius again. Until he puts out the next Roma lineup.

When I mentioned that at the time I felt R9 wasn’t even the best Brazilian of his era, I wasn't even thinking of Ronaldinho, but I prefer Ronaldinho over R9 as well.

So, I was wrong about only this forum ridiculously overrating R9 to levels I see nowhere else, it’s this forum and Jose Mourinho then.

 

[cgf]

Comparison to Lindros is valid. Dominant for a few years.
Ronaldo though did perform good years without being at the peak.
But yeah.

The Lindros comp makes some sense, but Ronaldo was still the best player in the sport even after his devastating injuries robbed him of his absolute peak. Like Lindros, he wasn't the same after his injuries, but he was still dominant.

Up to the injuries, I like the comp, but after the injuries Ronaldo was more Foppa than Lindros...if that difference makes any sense.

 

[Evilo]

You'll find plenty of people ranking R9 in the top football players ever.
It is understandable. He reached peaks few ever reached.
But yes, his peak was too short IMO. Ronaldinho also had a great peak, but even shorter and with less efficiency.
People shouldn't look at goal totals. This was a different era where you didn't have superteams and it was actually tough to score. Not diminishing Ronaldo or Messi's totals, but they would never have scored that many goals in the mid 90s.

 

[Evilo]

The Lindros comp makes some sense, but Ronaldo was still the best player in the sport even after his devastating injuries robbed him of his absolute peak. Like Lindros, he wasn't the same after his injuries, but he was still dominant.

Up to the injuries, I like the comp, but after the injuries Ronaldo was more Foppa than Lindros to me.

I agree with everything except he was still the best after his injuries. He wasn't. Zidane and others were better IMO.