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EvenSteven

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Apologies!

I know I should've posted these earlier but here are my picks for these playoffs. I'm only posting them now because you're talking about tabulating everything. If you choose to disregard because they came in late, so be it! That's on me! (You'll notice my home team bias!)

I will probably tally everyone's picks and make a competition out of it (likely straight playoff series picks, with # of games off as a tiebreaker). So make sure to get your picks in ahead of each round for HFB bragging rights!


Hamilton over Ottawa in four.
Barrie over Missy in six.
Kingston over North Bay in five.
Niagara over Oshawa in seven.

Soo over Saginaw in four.
Kitchener over Guelph in four.
Sarnia over Windsor in five.
Owen Sound over London in six.


Hamilton over Niagara in seven.
Barrie over Kingston in seven.

Soo over Owen Sound in six
Kitchener over Sarnia in six.


Barrie over Hamilton in six.
Kitchener over the Soo in seven. (I can make the case if you'd like to hear it!)


Kitchener over Barrie in five.
 

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I have recorded everyone's picks in ye old Google Sheet. (Just click over to the Playoffs tabs.) Aggregate picks are on the "Overall" tab, individual picks on the "Individual" tab (natch).

We had 43 sets of picks this year! ES, sadly, I can't add you to the competition because you came in late... but you're welcome to play along anyway, of course. (I, for one, will be pulling for your picks!) I had to ignore a couple other sets of picks from people who didn't pick both conferences or didn't give the number of games.

Once the first round's over, I'll update this with everyone's score and make a leaderboard.

Of note: no lower seed received more than ten picks to win its opening round series. The most popular pick was SSM in 4 (shocking!), followed by SAR in 5 and KIT in 5. Full details on the Overall tab.

If anyone has any other requests, let me know.
 

BehindSooNet

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Apologies!

I know I should've posted these earlier but here are my picks for these playoffs. I'm only posting them now because you're talking about tabulating everything. If you choose to disregard because they came in late, so be it! That's on me! (You'll notice my home team bias!)




Hamilton over Ottawa in four.
Barrie over Missy in six.
Kingston over North Bay in five.
Niagara over Oshawa in seven.

Soo over Saginaw in four.
Kitchener over Guelph in four.
Sarnia over Windsor in five.
Owen Sound over London in six.


Hamilton over Niagara in seven.
Barrie over Kingston in seven.

Soo over Owen Sound in six
Kitchener over Sarnia in six.


Barrie over Hamilton in six.
Kitchener over the Soo in seven. (I can make the case if you'd like to hear it!)


Kitchener over Barrie in five.


Okay Even Steven - I will bite. Please advise, good sir, why you believe Kitchener will beat the Soo in seven games.

I expect your response will reference the fact we won all four games during the regular season (albeit three of the games were by one goal). It would also be helpful if you could reference our record on home ice (one regulation loss all season).

Thanks!
 
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Okay Even Steven - I will bite. Please advise, good sir, why you believe Kitchener will beat the Soo in seven games.

I expect your response will reference the fact we won all four games during the regular season (albeit three of the games were by one goal). It would also be helpful if you could reference our record on home ice (one regulation loss all season).

Thanks!

I think you guys are more likely to go 16-0 than to lose a series, lol.
 

EvenSteven

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I came up with my argument for how we can beat the Soo in a seven game series on Sunday night past. Since then, Guelph is throwing a wrench into both the Rangers plans, and my arguments below. Truth be told, if the Rangers keep it up, we mightn't even get past the first round!

But because I said I can make the case for beating the Soo, I'll still post my arguments:

Soo vs Kitchener

Anybody might be able to read this and shoot holes through a lot of what I have to say. But there's a reason I came up with this. During our "round table" talks we have at the Ranger games, I told my buddies that I think we have a chance to beat the Soo in the playoffs. But most tell me that they think I'm nuts. You may think I am too!! So I had to dig in and come up with some arguments to make my case. I'm sure any Soo fan, or any neutral fan, will come up with just as many arguments to counter a lot of what I have to say. But that's what all this is about, isn't it? Lol.

To make my argument, I'll have to display that Kitchener and Soo are actually closer in the standings than what their records' actually show. I also have to make assumptions/predictions of how each team gets to the third round.

First let's investigate each team's regular-season record vs their strength of schedule to display that, to an extent, the gap between both teams (26pts) may be a little artificial.

The Soo had the luxury of playing the most games versus lesser teams than any other team in the league. Without really digging deep into the entire schedule, I went with what stood out to me the most. The Soo played more games against Sudbury x6, Flint x6, Saginaw x8, and North Bay x4 (all the NB games came before the deadline when they were out of a playoff spot and playing bad hockey). All four teams spent considerable time this season either in eighth, ninth, or 10th place in their respective conferences.). For all intents and purposes, games against these four teams, for a top contender, is "guaranteed win night". That's 24 games total. The Rangers only played those same teams a total of 12 times. That's a big difference!

Having this advantage could have a lot to do with inflating the Soo's win totals. Did the Rangers have "easy" games? Sure. Guelph 8 times. Erie 6 times. So I suppose Kitchener playing Guelph/Erie and the Soo playing Saginaw/Flint cancel each other out.

But that still leaves six games versus Sudbury and four games versus North Bay. That's a total of 10 games whereas the Rangers play those same teams only four times. Also, the Soo only had to play a tough Owen Sound team twice while the Rangers had to play them 8 times. So in reality, the difference is a six game swing. The Soo played those 6 games vs North Bay and Sudbury while the Rangers played those 6 games vs Owen Sound. Big difference.

Also, it's easy to find at least six or seven games that Kitchener piddled away this year that should have been wins because of inept goaltending. For all intents and purposes, from the time of the season ending injury to ADB until the time Mario Culina came on board, the Rangers pretty much had borderline OHL goaltenders between the pipes.(Sept 22-Flint. Oct 7-Gue. Nov 11-Wsr. Nov 23-NB. Nov 26-Sud. Dec 5-Wsr. Jan 5-Miss. Jan 6-OS.). In these games either Richardson or McGonigle started and to put it bluntly, stunk out the joint. Sure games like the Missy and Owen Sound games we didn't score much or at all, but when you allow 4 and 3 softies respectively early in the first period, it takes the wind out of your sails.

One may just look at the summaries of these games listed above and question my opinion of the play of these goaltenders, but I'm telling you, you had to have been in the rink and watched these goals go in. Multiple times this year the opposition scored on the first second and third shots of a game - usually just about every one of the goals scored, very easy stops.

Also I take into account the end of the season where the Rangers pretty much coasted to the end. (The Guelph losses). I'm sure the Soo lost a game or two down the stretch as well because they also had nothing to play for. The OT loss to Flint comes to mind. I'll take that into account as well.

With all that in mind, these two teams are a lot closer than the standings show. I think the Soo should have had a harder time winning six more games against Owen Sound rather than getting to play North Bay and Sudbury in those six games. Would they have beaten Owen Sound every time? That's possible. But considering they split their two game season series, I'm willing to bet Owen Sound comes up with a couple of wins. So let's put the Soo at 112 points to finish the season. But let's add a point for the overtime loss to Flint near the end of the schedule. If I'm factoring in our two losses to Guelph, I have to factor in this game as well. That puts the Soo at 113 points.

The Rangers, if you give them the points they should've gotten in the games listed above (I didn't include the Missy/Owen Sound games because you won't win them all), plus the two games vs Guelph, I figure you can add 14 points to the Ranger totals giving them 104 points.

That puts the final gap between the two teams from 26 points down to 9 points.
Therefore, as far as the standings go, these teams, I believe, were actually a lot closer than their records show.

Factor in the fact that the Soo is a small, fast team that from what I hear, doesn't like getting knocked around. The bigger more physical Rangers, as long as they stay disciplined, as disciplined as they were at the Aud when the Soo last visited, can beat this team.

They played pretty even in three of the four games vs each other this season. All three games could've gone either way. The fourth game which was the blowout game up in the Soo, came during that time when we had really no goaltending. I'm not saying if we'd have had better goaltending we would've won that game but surely, it would've been closer.

For us to go into a third round versus the Soo, it will be imperative for the Rangers to go into that round on an even playing field regarding rest and injuries/playing hurt. I don't think Kitchener has as good a chance beating the Soo should the Soo go into the third round having two easy first and second round series while the Rangers have long and physical first and second around series.

It's a given that the Soo will put Saginaw out in four games. Rangers should also put Guelph out in four or five games. It's the second round series that will dictate the condition of each team going into the third round. Kitchener, likely to play Sarnia in the second round, will likely be a six or a seven game series. Based on our season series versus Sarnia, I pick Kitchener in six with an outside chance of beating them in five games. For us to go into the third round and play Sault Ste. Marie on an equal playing field, we're going to need some help from Owen Sound.

Owen Sound is a lot better team than their record shows. I have them on par with Kitchener and Sarnia. The only Achilles' heel they have as we all know is goaltending. Their goaltending not withstanding, I can see Owen Sound taking a game or two off of the Soo. They are playing great hockey right now in the playoffs and they have been one of the hotter teams down the stretch. Provided Owen Sound takes the Soo to five or six punishing, physical games (that's the kind of team they are! ) they and the Rangers should go into the third round with relatively equal rest.

If all the stars align, a Kitchener/ Sault Ste. Marie third round series could be a coin flip. A lot will hinge on injuries, but I'm going to go out on a limb here.

Kitchener in 7.

That means winning in the Soo in game seven. For us to win this series, we are going to have to win in Sault Ste. Marie. Logic tells me that it'll be tough to win all three home games at the Aud versus the Soo. Therefore, I believe the Rangers may have to win two out of four games in the Soo. That's not going to be easy.
Part of me feels that if it goes to a game seven, home ice would favour the Soo winning that game. That's why I wanted to be able to say Kitchener in six. That would mean winning one game up in the Soo and then all three games in Kitchener. But based on how dominant the Soo has been this year, it may be a stretch predicting that we can beat them in six games. The Soo has been dominant at home this year so I think if Kitchener is going to beat them they're going to have to win all their home games. So even though I think it'll be tough for Kitchener to win all three of their home games, I'm going to have to predict they will in order to win this series be it in 6 or 7 games.

Some may say that if I have to write a novel to explain how we can beat the Soo in a seven game series, then I may be grasping at straws!

Am I?
 
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Okay Even Steven - I will bite. Please advise, good sir, why you believe Kitchener will beat the Soo in seven games.

I expect your response will reference the fact we won all four games during the regular season (albeit three of the games were by one goal). It would also be helpful if you could reference our record on home ice (one regulation loss all season).

Thanks!

I don't think the Rangers will beat the Soo. That said, I don't like casual references to head-to-head play as evidence. I think head-to-head records can be instructive, but they need to be backed up with the why. If there's a reason the Soo match up well against Kitchener, then the four wins is nice evidence of that. But generally speaking regular season head-to-head records aren't particularly predictive, even though they're included in every darn series preview on the Internet.
 

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I came up with my argument for how we can beat the Soo in a seven game series on Sunday night past. Since then, Guelph is throwing a wrench into both the Rangers plans, and my arguments below. Truth be told, if the Rangers keep it up, we mightn't even get past the first round!

But because I said I can make the case for beating the Soo, I'll still post my arguments:

Soo vs Kitchener

Anybody might be able to read this and shoot holes through a lot of what I have to say. But there's a reason I came up with this. During our "round table" talks we have at the Ranger games, I told my buddies that I think we have a chance to beat the Soo in the playoffs. But most tell me that they think I'm nuts. You may think I am too!! So I had to dig in and come up with some arguments to make my case. I'm sure any Soo fan, or any neutral fan, will come up with just as many arguments to counter a lot of what I have to say. But that's what all this is about, isn't it? Lol.

To make my argument, I'll have to display that Kitchener and Soo are actually closer in the standings than what their records' actually show. I also have to make assumptions/predictions of how each team gets to the third round.

First let's investigate each team's regular-season record vs their strength of schedule to display that, to an extent, the gap between both teams (26pts) may be a little artificial.

The Soo had the luxury of playing the most games versus lesser teams than any other team in the league. Without really digging deep into the entire schedule, I went with what stood out to me the most. The Soo played more games against Sudbury x6, Flint x6, Saginaw x8, and North Bay x4 (all the NB games came before the deadline when they were out of a playoff spot and playing bad hockey). All four teams spent considerable time this season either in eighth, ninth, or 10th place in their respective conferences.). For all intents and purposes, games against these four teams, for a top contender, is "guaranteed win night". That's 24 games total. The Rangers only played those same teams a total of 12 times. That's a big difference!

Having this advantage could have a lot to do with inflating the Soo's win totals. Did the Rangers have "easy" games? Sure. Guelph 8 times. Erie 6 times. So I suppose Kitchener playing Guelph/Erie and the Soo playing Saginaw/Flint cancel each other out.

But that still leaves six games versus Sudbury and four games versus North Bay. That's a total of 10 games whereas the Rangers play those same teams only four times. Also, the Soo only had to play a tough Owen Sound team twice while the Rangers had to play them 8 times. So in reality, the difference is a six game swing. The Soo played those 6 games vs North Bay and Sudbury while the Rangers played those 6 games vs Owen Sound. Big difference.

Also, it's easy to find at least six or seven games that Kitchener piddled away this year that should have been wins because of inept goaltending. For all intents and purposes, from the time of the season ending injury to ADB until the time Mario Culina came on board, the Rangers pretty much had borderline OHL goaltenders between the pipes.(Sept 22-Flint. Oct 7-Gue. Nov 11-Wsr. Nov 23-NB. Nov 26-Sud. Dec 5-Wsr. Jan 5-Miss. Jan 6-OS.). In these games either Richardson or McGonigle started and to put it bluntly, stunk out the joint. Sure games like the Missy and Owen Sound games we didn't score much or at all, but when you allow 4 and 3 softies respectively early in the first period, it takes the wind out of your sails.

One may just look at the summaries of these games listed above and question my opinion of the play of these goaltenders, but I'm telling you, you had to have been in the rink and watched these goals go in. Multiple times this year the opposition scored on the first second and third shots of a game - usually just about every one of the goals scored, very easy stops.

Also I take into account the end of the season where the Rangers pretty much coasted to the end. (The Guelph losses). I'm sure the Soo lost a game or two down the stretch as well because they also had nothing to play for. The OT loss to Flint comes to mind. I'll take that into account as well.

With all that in mind, these two teams are a lot closer than the standings show. I think the Soo should have had a harder time winning six more games against Owen Sound rather than getting to play North Bay and Sudbury in those six games. Would they have beaten Owen Sound every time? That's possible. But considering they split their two game season series, I'm willing to bet Owen Sound comes up with a couple of wins. So let's put the Soo at 112 points to finish the season. But let's add a point for the overtime loss to Flint near the end of the schedule. If I'm factoring in our two losses to Guelph, I have to factor in this game as well. That puts the Soo at 113 points.

The Rangers, if you give them the points they should've gotten in the games listed above (I didn't include the Missy/Owen Sound games because you won't win them all), plus the two games vs Guelph, I figure you can add 14 points to the Ranger totals giving them 104 points.

That puts the final gap between the two teams from 26 points down to 9 points.
Therefore, as far as the standings go, these teams, I believe, were actually a lot closer than their records show.

Factor in the fact that the Soo is a small, fast team that from what I hear, doesn't like getting knocked around. The bigger more physical Rangers, as long as they stay disciplined, as disciplined as they were at the Aud when the Soo last visited, can beat this team.

They played pretty even in three of the four games vs each other this season. All three games could've gone either way. The fourth game which was the blowout game up in the Soo, came during that time when we had really no goaltending. I'm not saying if we'd have had better goaltending we would've won that game but surely, it would've been closer.

For us to go into a third round versus the Soo, it will be imperative for the Rangers to go into that round on an even playing field regarding rest and injuries/playing hurt. I don't think Kitchener has as good a chance beating the Soo should the Soo go into the third round having two easy first and second round series while the Rangers have long and physical first and second around series.

It's a given that the Soo will put Saginaw out in four games. Rangers should also put Guelph out in four or five games. It's the second round series that will dictate the condition of each team going into the third round. Kitchener, likely to play Sarnia in the second round, will likely be a six or a seven game series. Based on our season series versus Sarnia, I pick Kitchener in six with an outside chance of beating them in five games. For us to go into the third round and play Sault Ste. Marie on an equal playing field, we're going to need some help from Owen Sound.

Owen Sound is a lot better team than their record shows. I have them on par with Kitchener and Sarnia. The only Achilles' heel they have as we all know is goaltending. Their goaltending not withstanding, I can see Owen Sound taking a game or two off of the Soo. They are playing great hockey right now in the playoffs and they have been one of the hotter teams down the stretch. Provided Owen Sound takes the Soo to five or six punishing, physical games (that's the kind of team they are! ) they and the Rangers should go into the third round with relatively equal rest.

If all the stars align, a Kitchener/ Sault Ste. Marie third round series could be a coin flip. A lot will hinge on injuries, but I'm going to go out on a limb here.

Kitchener in 7.

That means winning in the Soo in game seven. For us to win this series, we are going to have to win in Sault Ste. Marie. Logic tells me that it'll be tough to win all three home games at the Aud versus the Soo. Therefore, I believe the Rangers may have to win two out of four games in the Soo. That's not going to be easy.
Part of me feels that if it goes to a game seven, home ice would favour the Soo winning that game. That's why I wanted to be able to say Kitchener in six. That would mean winning one game up in the Soo and then all three games in Kitchener. But based on how dominant the Soo has been this year, it may be a stretch predicting that we can beat them in six games. The Soo has been dominant at home this year so I think if Kitchener is going to beat them they're going to have to win all their home games. So even though I think it'll be tough for Kitchener to win all three of their home games, I'm going to have to predict they will in order to win this series be it in 6 or 7 games.

Some may say that if I have to write a novel to explain how we can beat the Soo in a seven game series, then I may be grasping at straws!

Am I?

I think you have been drinking a bit too much of the Rangers Kool-aid!
 
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I think you have been drinking a bit too much of the Rangers Kool-aid!

I get it! Lol.

Like any columnist who would write an article as to why a particular team will "win the cup this year", I just went in depth while making my case why it is possible.

Years ago the Toronto Sun used to have two different columnists write articles side by side in the paper.

One columnist would cite their reasons why they thought the Leafs would contend for a cup that year. The other article would cite their reasons why they would not. Each writer would include evidence/opinion/stats/facts/history, etc to make their case. Often times they'd leave out points that would go against their argument.

If you read each article, the columnist's views would make perfect sense. Like good politicians, they left the negatives out and inserted the positives to support their narrative.

That's pretty much what I did in making an argument as how the Rangers could beat Sault Ste. Marie in a seven game series.

That's where I was coming from when I lead off the post by saying that I'm sure people could shoot holes in my arguments.

If I had my druthers, I could probably sit down and write another essay as to why the Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds could sweep the Rangers in four games.
 

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I get it! Lol.

Like any columnist who would write an article as to why a particular team will "win the cup this year", I just went in depth while making my case why it is possible.

Years ago the Toronto Sun used to have two different columnists write articles side by side in the paper.

One columnist would cite their reasons why they thought the Leafs would contend for a cup that year. The other article would cite their reasons why they would not. Each writer would include evidence/opinion/stats/facts/history, etc to make their case. Often times they'd leave out points that would go against their argument.

If you read each article, the columnist's views would make perfect sense. Like good politicians, they left the negatives out and inserted the positives to support their narrative.

That's pretty much what I did in making an argument as how the Rangers could beat Sault Ste. Marie in a seven game series.

That's where I was coming from when I lead off the post by saying that I'm sure people could shoot holes in my arguments.

If I had my druthers, I could probably sit down and write another essay as to why the Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds could sweep the Rangers in four games.

I'd put my money on a Greyhounds sweep before a Rangers series win. I think it's a very bad matchup for Kitchener.

The Rangers usually carry the puck over the line and that just isn't going to work against the Greyhounds because they will create turnovers and scoring chances. Kitchener hasn't shown the ability to adapt to a dump and chase style that would be more effective against SSM. They aren't going to beat the Greyhounds at their own puck possession game because they have less speed and less skill.

I think that discipline could also play a big factor in a potential series. Kitchener has a lot of loose cannons and the Greyhounds have garnered many stupid penalties from players such as Givani Smith, Logan Stanley, and especially Kole Sherwood. The Soo has shown a remarkable ability to avoid retaliatory penalties and deal effectively with physical play. Contrary to what you have said, the Greyhounds are not really a small team, especially up front. Also, the power play has been absolutely deadly to take advantage of those unnecessary penalties.
 

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I'd put my money on a Greyhounds sweep before a Rangers series win. I think it's a very bad matchup for Kitchener.

The Rangers usually carry the puck over the line and that just isn't going to work against the Greyhounds because they will create turnovers and scoring chances. Kitchener hasn't shown the ability to adapt to a dump and chase style that would be more effective against SSM. They aren't going to beat the Greyhounds at their own puck possession game because they have less speed and less skill.

I think that discipline could also play a big factor in a potential series. Kitchener has a lot of loose cannons and the Greyhounds have garnered many stupid penalties from players such as Givani Smith, Logan Stanley, and especially Kole Sherwood. The Soo has shown a remarkable ability to avoid retaliatory penalties and deal effectively with physical play. Contrary to what you have said, the Greyhounds are not really a small team, especially up front. Also, the power play has been absolutely deadly to take advantage of those unnecessary penalties.

You're right that the Rangers usually do carry the puck over the blue line as opposed to the dump and chase. Especially on the power play where they employ that predictable "drop it back while everybody waits at the line" move. Further complicating that issue is that it seems like our coach does not identify issues like this one that you have brought up and altar the game plan accordingly.

We do have guys that have a history of taking undisciplined penalties. Primarily Stanley and Smith. They are usually good for at least one minor each per game. But the reason I pointed out discipline in my post, was because going down the stretch in the games that mattered (the game against you guys at the Aud and the two games vs Sarnia) they did display more discipline than usual - especially in the Soo game.

In my post, I said in order to have any chance at beating the Soo, or even Sarnia for that matter, we had to be incredibly disciplined to keep both team's power plays off the ice as much as possible.

The discipline we showed late in the season encouraged me that this team is capable of doing that.

The points you have brought up are definitely valid. But yet, outside of the blowout loss up in the Soo this year, we played three one goal games that could've gone either way. That has to mean something.

However, as I said in my disclaimer at the beginning of my long post, the series against Guelph is going a long way towards throwing many of my arguments out the window! The discipline factor being one. Another being as rested and healthy as possible going into a third round series. We will already play a minimum two games more than you guys before the third round starts. If that trend keeps up, an OHL final berth will get more and more distant as far as the Rangers are concerned.
 
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I came up with my argument for how we can beat the Soo in a seven game series on Sunday night past. Since then, Guelph is throwing a wrench into both the Rangers plans, and my arguments below. Truth be told, if the Rangers keep it up, we mightn't even get past the first round!

But because I said I can make the case for beating the Soo, I'll still post my arguments:

Soo vs Kitchener

Anybody might be able to read this and shoot holes through a lot of what I have to say. But there's a reason I came up with this. During our "round table" talks we have at the Ranger games, I told my buddies that I think we have a chance to beat the Soo in the playoffs. But most tell me that they think I'm nuts. You may think I am too!! So I had to dig in and come up with some arguments to make my case. I'm sure any Soo fan, or any neutral fan, will come up with just as many arguments to counter a lot of what I have to say. But that's what all this is about, isn't it? Lol.

To make my argument, I'll have to display that Kitchener and Soo are actually closer in the standings than what their records' actually show. I also have to make assumptions/predictions of how each team gets to the third round.

First let's investigate each team's regular-season record vs their strength of schedule to display that, to an extent, the gap between both teams (26pts) may be a little artificial.

The Soo had the luxury of playing the most games versus lesser teams than any other team in the league. Without really digging deep into the entire schedule, I went with what stood out to me the most. The Soo played more games against Sudbury x6, Flint x6, Saginaw x8, and North Bay x4 (all the NB games came before the deadline when they were out of a playoff spot and playing bad hockey). All four teams spent considerable time this season either in eighth, ninth, or 10th place in their respective conferences.). For all intents and purposes, games against these four teams, for a top contender, is "guaranteed win night". That's 24 games total. The Rangers only played those same teams a total of 12 times. That's a big difference!

Having this advantage could have a lot to do with inflating the Soo's win totals. Did the Rangers have "easy" games? Sure. Guelph 8 times. Erie 6 times. So I suppose Kitchener playing Guelph/Erie and the Soo playing Saginaw/Flint cancel each other out.

But that still leaves six games versus Sudbury and four games versus North Bay. That's a total of 10 games whereas the Rangers play those same teams only four times. Also, the Soo only had to play a tough Owen Sound team twice while the Rangers had to play them 8 times. So in reality, the difference is a six game swing. The Soo played those 6 games vs North Bay and Sudbury while the Rangers played those 6 games vs Owen Sound. Big difference.

Also, it's easy to find at least six or seven games that Kitchener piddled away this year that should have been wins because of inept goaltending. For all intents and purposes, from the time of the season ending injury to ADB until the time Mario Culina came on board, the Rangers pretty much had borderline OHL goaltenders between the pipes.(Sept 22-Flint. Oct 7-Gue. Nov 11-Wsr. Nov 23-NB. Nov 26-Sud. Dec 5-Wsr. Jan 5-Miss. Jan 6-OS.). In these games either Richardson or McGonigle started and to put it bluntly, stunk out the joint. Sure games like the Missy and Owen Sound games we didn't score much or at all, but when you allow 4 and 3 softies respectively early in the first period, it takes the wind out of your sails.

One may just look at the summaries of these games listed above and question my opinion of the play of these goaltenders, but I'm telling you, you had to have been in the rink and watched these goals go in. Multiple times this year the opposition scored on the first second and third shots of a game - usually just about every one of the goals scored, very easy stops.

Also I take into account the end of the season where the Rangers pretty much coasted to the end. (The Guelph losses). I'm sure the Soo lost a game or two down the stretch as well because they also had nothing to play for. The OT loss to Flint comes to mind. I'll take that into account as well.

With all that in mind, these two teams are a lot closer than the standings show. I think the Soo should have had a harder time winning six more games against Owen Sound rather than getting to play North Bay and Sudbury in those six games. Would they have beaten Owen Sound every time? That's possible. But considering they split their two game season series, I'm willing to bet Owen Sound comes up with a couple of wins. So let's put the Soo at 112 points to finish the season. But let's add a point for the overtime loss to Flint near the end of the schedule. If I'm factoring in our two losses to Guelph, I have to factor in this game as well. That puts the Soo at 113 points.

The Rangers, if you give them the points they should've gotten in the games listed above (I didn't include the Missy/Owen Sound games because you won't win them all), plus the two games vs Guelph, I figure you can add 14 points to the Ranger totals giving them 104 points.

That puts the final gap between the two teams from 26 points down to 9 points.
Therefore, as far as the standings go, these teams, I believe, were actually a lot closer than their records show.

Factor in the fact that the Soo is a small, fast team that from what I hear, doesn't like getting knocked around. The bigger more physical Rangers, as long as they stay disciplined, as disciplined as they were at the Aud when the Soo last visited, can beat this team.

They played pretty even in three of the four games vs each other this season. All three games could've gone either way. The fourth game which was the blowout game up in the Soo, came during that time when we had really no goaltending. I'm not saying if we'd have had better goaltending we would've won that game but surely, it would've been closer.

For us to go into a third round versus the Soo, it will be imperative for the Rangers to go into that round on an even playing field regarding rest and injuries/playing hurt. I don't think Kitchener has as good a chance beating the Soo should the Soo go into the third round having two easy first and second round series while the Rangers have long and physical first and second around series.

It's a given that the Soo will put Saginaw out in four games. Rangers should also put Guelph out in four or five games. It's the second round series that will dictate the condition of each team going into the third round. Kitchener, likely to play Sarnia in the second round, will likely be a six or a seven game series. Based on our season series versus Sarnia, I pick Kitchener in six with an outside chance of beating them in five games. For us to go into the third round and play Sault Ste. Marie on an equal playing field, we're going to need some help from Owen Sound.

Owen Sound is a lot better team than their record shows. I have them on par with Kitchener and Sarnia. The only Achilles' heel they have as we all know is goaltending. Their goaltending not withstanding, I can see Owen Sound taking a game or two off of the Soo. They are playing great hockey right now in the playoffs and they have been one of the hotter teams down the stretch. Provided Owen Sound takes the Soo to five or six punishing, physical games (that's the kind of team they are! ) they and the Rangers should go into the third round with relatively equal rest.

If all the stars align, a Kitchener/ Sault Ste. Marie third round series could be a coin flip. A lot will hinge on injuries, but I'm going to go out on a limb here.

Kitchener in 7.

That means winning in the Soo in game seven. For us to win this series, we are going to have to win in Sault Ste. Marie. Logic tells me that it'll be tough to win all three home games at the Aud versus the Soo. Therefore, I believe the Rangers may have to win two out of four games in the Soo. That's not going to be easy.
Part of me feels that if it goes to a game seven, home ice would favour the Soo winning that game. That's why I wanted to be able to say Kitchener in six. That would mean winning one game up in the Soo and then all three games in Kitchener. But based on how dominant the Soo has been this year, it may be a stretch predicting that we can beat them in six games. The Soo has been dominant at home this year so I think if Kitchener is going to beat them they're going to have to win all their home games. So even though I think it'll be tough for Kitchener to win all three of their home games, I'm going to have to predict they will in order to win this series be it in 6 or 7 games.

Some may say that if I have to write a novel to explain how we can beat the Soo in a seven game series, then I may be grasping at straws!

Am I?

You can't use Sudbury vs SSM to analyze anything. It's a historic rivalry where standings don't matter, both teams come to play. Sudbury was hot trash this year and won one of those games in regulation.

Even the last 2 seasons before this where SSM was much better than Sudbury we split 3-3 both times.

At the end of the day, about half of SSM's losses this year came to relatively bad teams, so their record against "good" teams still wipes the floor with anyone else's.
 

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You can't use Sudbury vs SSM to analyze anything. It's a historic rivalry where standings don't matter, both teams come to play. Sudbury was hot trash this year and won one of those games in regulation.

Even the last 2 seasons before this where SSM was much better than Sudbury we split 3-3 both times.

At the end of the day, about half of SSM's losses this year came to relatively bad teams, so their record against "good" teams still wipes the floor with anyone else's.
Good for you you just hit a home run in my books
 

EvenSteven

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You can't use Sudbury vs SSM to analyze anything. It's a historic rivalry where standings don't matter, both teams come to play. Sudbury was hot trash this year and won one of those games in regulation.

Even the last 2 seasons before this where SSM was much better than Sudbury we split 3-3 both times.

At the end of the day, about half of SSM's losses this year came to relatively bad teams, so their record against "good" teams still wipes the floor with anyone else's.

Good points!

The same could be said for our games versus Guelph and Erie. Without having it in front of me now, I don't know if will lost to Erie this year or not but we did lose three times to Guelph - both strong rivals that always play us hard - especially Guelph - as is evident in these playoffs!
 

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I'd put my money on a Greyhounds sweep before a Rangers series win. I think it's a very bad matchup for Kitchener.

My initial reaction was "no way," but upon further reflection, this seems pretty plausible.

Just please, please, please don't be obnoxious when it happens. Make room on the bandwagon!
 

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My initial reaction was "no way," but upon further reflection, this seems pretty plausible.

Just please, please, please don't be obnoxious when it happens. Make room on the bandwagon!

Hounds fans on this forum are very respectful, with one or two glaring exceptions. I'm just hoping for an exciting series, should both teams make it there.
 

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Round 1:

SSM over Saginaw in 4
Kitchener over Guelph in 5
Sarnia over Windsor in 4
OS over London in 6

Hamilton over Ottawa in 6
Barrie over Mississauga in 5 (and a ton of goals in this series)
Kingston over NB in 6
Niagara over Oshawa in 7

8/8, 1 exact.

SSM in 6 over OS
Sarnia in 7 over Kitchener

Hamilton in 5 over Niagara
Barrie in 6 over Kingston
 

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Round 1

1. Hamilton vs 8. Ottawa - Hamilton 5 games
2. Barrie vs 7. Mississauga - Barrie 6 games
3. Kingston vs 6. North Bay - Kingston 5 games
4. Niagara vs 5. Oshawa - Oshawa 6 games

1. Sault Ste. Marie vs 8. Saginaw - Sault Ste. Marie 5 games
2. Kitchener vs 7. Guelph - Kitchener 6 games
3. Sarnia vs 6. Windsor - Sarnia 6 games
4. Owen Sound vs 6 London - Owen Sound 7 games

Round 2

1. Hamilton vs 5. Oshawa - Hamilton 5 games
2. Barrie vs 3. Kingston - Kingston 6 games

1. Sault Ste. Marie vs 4. Owen Sound - Sault Ste. Marie 6 games
2. Kitchener vs 3. Sarnia - Kitchener 6 games

Round 3

1. Hamilton vs 3. Kingston - Kingston 6 games

1. Sault ste. Marie vs 2. Kitchener - Sault Ste. Marie 5 games

Championship

Sault Ste. Marie vs Kingston - Kingston 6 games

Time for Round 2

Initial picks I had Oshawa over Niagara, that didn't work out so the only thing that changes for me would be Hamilton vs Niagara

Round 2

1. Hamilton vs 4. Niagara - Hamilton 6 games
2. Barrie vs 3. Kingston - Kingston 6 games

1. Sault Ste. Marie vs 4. Owen Sound - Sault Ste. Marie 6 games
2. Kitchener vs 3. Sarnia - Kitchener 6 games
 

NaughtyDog

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1 Hamilton vs 4 Niagara looks like its going to be a great series. Niagara was 5-0-1 against them this year
 

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Round 1

SSM over Saginaw in 4
Kitchener over Guelph in 6
Sarnia over Windsor in 5
OS over London in 6

Hamilton over Ottawa in 5
Barrie over Missy in 6
Kingston over NB in 5
Niagara over Oshawa in 4

Well 8 out of 8 right. Got the amount of games right in 5 of 8.

Round 2..

SSM over OS in 6
Sarnia over Kitchener in 6

Hamilton over Niagara in 6
Kingston over Barrie in 7
 
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Soo over OS in 5
Kitchener over Sarnia in 6
Hamilton over Niagara in 5
Kingston over Barrie in 6
 

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