Confirmed Trade: [PIT/TOR] Kasperi Kapanen, Lindgren, Aberg for 2020 1st, Hallander, Warsofsky, Rodrigues

[Warden of the North]

Because you don't even have a 50/50 chance to get a guy better than Kapanen with the 15th overall pick based on past drafts.

This website just super overvalues picks and prospects.

Yup

 

[Intangir]

Pittsburgh wanted to get some more speed, youth and energy on the wing whilst not giving up good pieces on their roster, all for the sake of competing now with their star veterans. That set of conditions has led to them trading away a mid-first and a pretty good prospect in Hallander, basically giving away more value going Toronto's way, in exchange for some added depth to their team in the present.

The trade favors Toronto overall, no doubt about it and props to them for obtaining that first-round pick, but it isn't nearly as lopsided as people think.

 

[SuperScript29]

This is basically Kapanen for a 1st. I think this would have been a better trade during the draft day, you never know who might fall.

 

[TheAngryHank]

This is looking like Kenny Holland, trading firsts to keep that streak alive which eventually catches you up.

 

[Fatty McLardy]

How good is hallander as a prospect. Haven't really been following his development.

 

[Langdon Alger]

This is basically Kapanen for a 1st.

You think?

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

How good is hallander as a prospect. Haven't really been following his development.

From what I can gather, he's not a "wow, look at how amazing his offensive skillset is. He's gonna win some Art Ross trophies in his career" type. Rather, he seems to be a guy who does the little things well and is solid in both ends of the rink.

In terms of current Penguins, he's probably closer to a Hornqvist than a Guentzel.

 

[Just Rude]

The 1st will likely be used straight up or as part of a package for someone that can help right now on the blueline. I don't think we will have to wait to see who the Leafs pick at the draft.

Friedman said a few weeks ago that, due to the pandemic and lost revenue for teams, there will be players available who would not be available in others years. While money would likely have to moved out, the Leafs may be able to take advantage of that.

 

[Empoleon8771]

From what I can gather, he's not a "wow, look at how amazing his offensive skillset is. He's gonna win some Art Ross trophies in his career" type. Rather, he seems to be a guy who does the little things well and is solid in both ends of the rink.

In terms of current Penguins, he's probably closer to a Hornqvist than a Guentzel.

He's probably closer to McCann if we're comparing him to anyone on the Penguins. Becoming another McCann caliber and style of player is probably his best case scenario.

 

[Barnaby]

I like this trade better for Toronto... they got some good value out of KK. I like KK though, not an awful move but it does feel like a lot to give for a 3rd line winger. Of course, "maybe he takes off with Sid or Malkin."

Hollander and a 2nd would have been right on in IMO.

If I'm moving that pick, then I'm looking for a bonafide top 6 forward or top 4 defenseman. I feel like KK is more of a "if things go the right way, then maybe he could produce like a top 6 forward. IF he gets the ice time, IF he has chemistry with Sid or Malkin etc..."

 

[Ciao]

I agree. He didn't mesh with the Leafs Centers and The Leafs had him behind Hyman, Marner, and Nylander. Interesting when Nylander held out is when Kapanen played his best in his 20 goal year. Crosby or Malkin should bring out his talent better.

I don't think people are giving Pittsburg enough credit here for the return. Sure a first rd pick at 15OA is a price. But when people were discussing an offer sheet for Kapanen as a RFA, the price most discussed was a 1st and 3rd rd pick tier of compensation. That's almost exactly what the Leafs got. Rutherford paid a fair price. He basically paid a RFA offer sheet price if people want to look at it this way.

You thought he'd be offer sheeted over $4.2mil?

Wowzers. Steal of a signing by the Leafs then.

It's quite obvious that Kyle Dubas managed Kapanen's contract and trade very well.

When people who would never admit that he did something well can only say wait -- we don't don't know how this will eventually turn out -- it speaks to the fact that there is nothing more negative to say at the present time.

It rather reminds me of a justice of the peace I often appeared before thirty years ago. He was prone to conviction. When he retired, the police detachment gave him a gift of a large upholstered die that "GUILTY" on five sides, and on the sixth side "MAYBE". When you got a maybe, you knew you had won.

I wouldn't know if there is anyone around here that is quite so hypercritical of Dubas as that, but it does seem he might have done something right this time.

His critics might just as well come out and admit that.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

He's probably closer to McCann if we're comparing him to anyone on the Penguins. Becoming another McCann caliber and style of player is probably his best case scenario.

I used Hornqvist more based on Jesse's description of how Hallander's being used back in Sweden. Seems more of a guy whose offense stems from being around the net like Hornqvist rather than being a rush shooter like McCann.

 

[Mr Knies Guy]

From what I can gather, he's not a "wow, look at how amazing his offensive skillset is. He's gonna win some Art Ross trophies in his career" type. Rather, he seems to be a guy who does the little things well and is solid in both ends of the rink.

In terms of current Penguins, he's probably closer to a Hornqvist than a Guentzel.

And that is precisely what TO has been lacking in their pipeline. They've got a ton of offensively skilled but irresponsible and uncompetitive forwards, they don't have anything like what you described there. I am really excited to see if he can be a defensively responsible, grinding 3C/3W in the mold of a Hornqvist

Kap will go on to have a nice career with Pitt but Leafs got absolutely full value here, and the last trade I remember that happening for us was probably, well.... I can't remember..

 

[Jerkbait]

Pittsburgh wanted to get some more speed, youth and energy on the wing whilst not giving up good pieces on their roster, all for the sake of competing now with their star veterans. That set of conditions has led to them trading away a mid-first and a pretty good prospect in Hallander, basically giving away more value going Toronto's way, in exchange for some added depth to their team in the present.

The trade favors Toronto overall, no doubt about it and props to them for obtaining that first-round pick, but it isn't nearly as lopsided as people think.

Ye s, yes actually it is. Even the hockey insiders are puzzled..

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

It's quite obvious that Kyle Dubas managed Kapanen's contract and trade very well.

When people who would never admit that he did something well can only say wait -- we don't don't know how this will eventually turn out -- it speaks to the fact that there is nothing more negative to say at the present time.

It rather reminds me of a justice of the peace I often appeared before thirty years ago. He was prone to conviction. When he retired, the police detachment gave him a gift of a large upholstered die that "GUILTY" on five sides, and on the sixth side "MAYBE". When you got a maybe, you knew you had won.

I wouldn't know if there is anyone around here that is quite so hypercritical of Dubas as that, but it does seem he might have done something right this time.

His critics might just as well come out and admit that.

I’ve sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber, didn’t want to do it but felt like I owed it to them

 

[Ciao]

I’ve sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber, didn’t want to do it but felt like I owed it to them

That's quite a comment, your Honor.

I don't know which principle of sentencing makes the death penalty a benefit to the convicted person, even where the law demands it.

 

[The Great Mighty Poo]

How good is hallander as a prospect. Haven't really been following his development.

Based on their history of 2nd round forwards , somewhere between Shane Endicott, Ryan Stone, or Johannes Salomonsson, real killer's row there.

 

[biturbo19]

So the Leafs basically just leased Kapanen for a few years from the Penguins...then somehow got a better draft pick back, than was used on him in the first place? Weird.

I still don't really understand what this does for the Leafs though, other than clear some cap space to do something with, and help restock the cupboards for a few years down the road, after splurging all of their picks on veteran acquisitions that didn't really get them anywhere.


Kapanen as he is today, with either of Crosby or Malkin, is gonna absolutely light it up though.

 

[kevsh]

From Dubas' comments yesterday he sounds like he's leaning towards trading the 15OA pick.

At the very least it's an attractive bargaining chip towards getting help on the blue line, especially if there's a rebuilding team willing to unload a veteran defenceman and wants to get in (or more in) on what looks like an impressive prospect pool in this draft.

 

[Dangles78]

Based on their history of 2nd round forwards , somewhere between Shane Endicott, Ryan Stone, or Johannes Salomonsson, real killer's row there.

Don't forget alleged racist - Keven Veilleux who now plays for a team called the St. Georges Cool 103.5 FM

 

[_Del_]

I’ve sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber, didn’t want to do it but felt like I owed it to them

Well, the world needs ditch diggers, too

 

[Drew311]

So the Leafs basically just leased Kapanen for a few years from the Penguins...then somehow got a better draft pick back, than was used on him in the first place? Weird.

I still don't really understand what this does for the Leafs though, other than clear some cap space to do something with, and help restock the cupboards for a few years down the road, after splurging all of their picks on veteran acquisitions that didn't really get them anywhere.


Kapanen as he is today, with either of Crosby or Malkin, is gonna absolutely light it up though.

I think there’s about a 10% chance Dubas makes that pick. The pressure is on for him and he needs to make the team better after trading away a good forward.

It was genius to trade Kapanen for the 15OV pick. You now have a more valuable asset to trade for a better piece. Most GM’s would agree that Kapanen is not worth a mid 1st, but now Dubas has one to make a big move.

 

[The Great Mighty Poo]

Don't forget alleged racist - Keven Veilleux who now plays for a team called the St. Georges Cool 103.5 FM

I forgot about that useless plug.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

I think there’s about a 10% chance Dubas makes that pick. The pressure is on for him and he needs to make the team better after trading away a good forward.

It was genius to trade Kapanen for the 15OV pick. You now have a more valuable asset to trade for a better piece. Most GM’s would agree that Kapanen is not worth a mid 1st, but now Dubas has one to make a big move.

Would they? There seemed to be a lot of interest in Kapanen, not just the Pens. For all we know, it was the inclusion of Hallander on top of the 1st that convinced Dubas to take the Pens' offer. Maybe other clubs were only willing to do the 1st and not additional assets.

 

[Jerkbait]

And that is precisely what TO has been lacking in their pipeline. They've got a ton of offensively skilled but irresponsible and uncompetitive forwards, they don't have anything like what you described there. I am really excited to see if he can be a defensively responsible, grinding 3C/3W in the mold of a Hornqvist

Kap will go on to have a nice career with Pitt but Leafs got absolutely full value here, and the last trade I remember that happening for us was probably, well.... I can't remember..

What are you basing that on? Kapp will struggle with pitt.