Player Discussion Phillip Danault's next contract

[Belial]

From M-A Godin's article in The Athletic:

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There's a big difference in RFA and UFA years, that Pageau deal looks decent right now as his production actually went down since he signed his contract... But he'll be an UFA in 2 years...

If we can lock Danault for 6 years I have no problem paying him 4M a year.

Some of them even make 6M

You're obsessed buddy.

 

[Cobra Commander]

There's a big difference in RFA and UFA years, that Pageau deal looks decent right now as his production actually went down since he signed his contract... But he'll be an UFA in 2 years...

If we can lock Danault for 6 years I have no problem paying him 4M a year.



You're obsessed buddy.

4 million is too much for Danault. If he wants that it's gonna be bye bye for me, bottom 6 players need to be lowballed in this new NHL, give the big money to the talent, the grinders and scrubs can have what's left over, and if they are not happy then out the door they go.

 

[Natey]

3.5 max. But 3 makes more sense.

 

[Deebs]

5 years @ $19M

 

[nhlfan9191]

4 million is too much for Danault. If he wants that it's gonna be bye bye for me, bottom 6 players need to be lowballed in this new NHL, give the big money to the talent, the grinders and scrubs can have what's left over, and if they are not happy then out the door they go.

With the cap rising the way it is, $4 million won’t be unheard of for good third line players. He’s overused here but even as a stable 3c, he’d be worth it. We can’t afford to be losing competent centers over half a million dollars.

 

[Milhouse40]

Danault is not a 40pts player.
He is that IF he plays with the top offensive winger and with 2-3 minutes of ice-time he should not get.
Take away that and he won't produce as much and that's perfectly normal.

He didn't show as of now that he's a specialist defensively, not a PP player, okay Pker.
Still some untapped potential but in the end he has 75pts in 185 games so far in the NHL.

No enough to get a long contract unless the money is too attractive to pass...lower than $3M.
Pretty sure Danault is not in the best situation to deal a long term contract anyway.

2 years at $3,1M

Habs got an easy deal to work with, Danault get a great situation to negotiate in 2 years.

 

[ottawa]

6 years / 21m

 

[Cobra Commander]

With the cap rising the way it is, $4 million won’t be unheard of for good third line players. He’s overused here but even as a stable 3c, he’d be worth it. We can’t afford to be losing competent centers over half a million dollars.

I give him 3 maximum, we have to be real tight with our bottom 6 forwards and bottom 4 defenders, a million saved here a million saved there, that money goes to the talented point producers. If he's not happy then it's a goodbye from me. I can teach Bergevin how to build a team, it's not rocket science.

 

[nhlfan9191]

I give him 3 maximum, we have to be real tight with our bottom 6 forwards and bottom 4 defenders, a million saved here a million saved there, that money goes to the talented point producers. If he's not happy then it's a goodbye from me. I can teach Bergevin how to build a team, it's not rocket science.

I get what you’re saying but I just don’t see the reason to lose a capable center over a million dollars when we’re in the $3-4 million range as far as his extension. If he goes, his replacement will either cost assets, overpaying in UFA which always hurts a lot , or both and id prefer to avoid that headache over a 3c. We have a good one, we shouldn’t be penny pinching on this player unless he’s asking for more then $4-4.5 million long term.

 

[Cobra Commander]

I get what you’re saying but I just don’t see the reason to lose a capable center over a million dollars when we’re in the $3-4 million range as far as his extension. If he goes, his replacement will either cost assets, overpaying in UFA which always hurts a lot , or both and id prefer to avoid that headache over a 3c. We have a good one, we shouldn’t be penny pinching on this player unless he’s asking for more then $4-4.5 million long term.

First of all he's not that good, he's ok.
Nobody is giving this guy 4 million elsewhere, most teams have an equal or better 3C, good luck getting 4 million out there Danault... Oh wait his name is Danault... that's French... MB will throw 5 million at him.

If i'm GM, 3rd and 4th liners take sweethart deals or they are gone, they are replaceable, i give the money to the talent.

So Radulov deserves 6.25 and Danault deserves 4 ? Please gtfoh lmfao.

 

[nhlfan9191]

First of all he's not that good, he's ok.
Nobody is giving this guy 4 million elsewhere, most teams have an equal or better 3C, good luck getting 4 million out there Danault... Oh wait his name is Danault... that's French... MB will throw 5 million at him.

You make it sounds like I’m some Bergevin apologist or looking for some french movement on this team. If you’ve read my posts you would know how far from the truth that is. You aren’t going to get a good 3c for $1-2 million dollars anymore with the cap inflating. And Danault is just as capable as any other out there.

 

[Cobra Commander]

You make it sounds like I’m some Bergevin apologist or looking for some french movement on this team. If you’ve read my posts you would know how far from the truth that is. You aren’t going to get a good 3c for $1-2 million dollars anymore with the cap inflating. And Danault is just as capable as any other out there.

Not directed at you personally, just throwing my mentality out there. Agree to disagree i guess.

And i never said 1-2, i said 3 maximum.

 

[Milhouse40]

I get what you’re saying but I just don’t see the reason to lose a capable center over a million dollars when we’re in the $3-4 million range as far as his extension. If he goes, his replacement will either cost assets, overpaying in UFA which always hurts a lot , or both and id prefer to avoid that headache over a 3c. We have a good one, we shouldn’t be penny pinching on this player unless he’s asking for more then $4-4.5 million long term.

We need him....for 2 years. As of now, Danault is nothing really special.
The question you should ask yourself is how long until you need a 3rd line center spot for one of:

Jacob De La Rose
Ryan Poehling
Jake Evans
Will Bitten
Hayden Verbeek
Mike McCarron
Daniel Audette
Lukas Vejdemo
Michael Pezzetta

Surely not all of them will play center and not all of them will get in the NHL but i'm pretty sure that in 2 years from now that 3rd line center job could be needed for someone else.

 

[nhlfan9191]

Not directed at you personally, just throwing my mentality out there. Agree to disagree i guess.

And i never said 1-2, i said 3 maximum.

Not worries. I’m not saying we should overpay on Danault. But a lot of perception the past year, and the year that will be coming up with an increase in the cap has left a lot of fans confused on what fair value on a lot of players is.

 

[nhlfan9191]

We need him....for 2 years. As of now, Danault is nothing really special.
The question you should ask yourself is how long until you need a 3rd line center spot for one of:

Jacob De La Rose
Ryan Poehling
Jake Evans
Will Bitten
Hayden Verbeek
Mike McCarron
Daniel Audette
Lukas Vejdemo
Michael Pezzetta

Surely not all of them will play center and not all of them will get in the NHL but i'm pretty sure that in 2 years from now that 3rd line center job could be needed for someone else.

Then we move him if he’s replaceable, much like we did with Eller.

 

[Cobra Commander]

Not worries. I’m not saying we should overpay on Danault. But a lot of perception the past year, and the year that will be coming up with an increase in the cap has left a lot of fans confused on what fair value on a lot of players is.

Great the cap is going up, let's spend more on talent, not 3rd and 4th line scrubs, if he's not happy with 3mil you find a player who can do the job for that or cheaper. What you don't do is pay scrubs like Shaw 3.9 million and bums like Alzner 4.625 million.

MB give me a call and i will teach you how to build a team, i'll even do it for free just so we don't have to endure another 5 years like we just had, we can start making it better today.

 

[Milhouse40]

Then we move him if he’s replaceable, much like we did with Eller.

Easier to move a 2 years deal like Eller had.
If i were Danault i would ask a 1 year deal anyway, his injury was a real bummer this season considering it was a contract year. Pretty sure it's not what he was looking for.

 

[Cobra Commander]

Easier to move a 2 years deal like Eller had.
If i were Danault i would ask a 1 year deal anyway, his injury was a real bummer this season considering it was a contract year. Pretty sure it's not what he was looking for.

Eller > Danault

Eller makes 3.5, that's why my logic tells me anything over 3 for Danault is too much.

 

[Deebs]

Eller > Danault

Debatable

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Core piece baby!

 

[Cobra Commander]

Debatable

Meh not really. Eller does everything better than Danault, plus he has "playoff warrior" experience, plus he's 6 foot 2, plus EGG line baby!

 

[Deebs]

Meh not really. Eller does everything better than Danault, plus he has "playoff warrior" experience, plus he's 6 foot 2, plus EGG line baby!

Not really

 

[nhlfan9191]

Great the cap is going up, let's spend more on talent, not 3rd and 4th line scrubs, if he's not happy with 3mil you find a player who can do the job for that or cheaper. What you don't do is pay scrubs like Shaw 3.9 million and bums like Alzner 4.625 million.

MB give me a call and i will teach you how to build a team, i'll even do it for free just so we don't have to endure another 5 years like we just had, we can start making it better today.

I don’t know why you think you have the magic answer to being a GM which you keep saying. You can’t low ball players and expect to come out on top. That cap increase comes with bigger salaries. That’s why it’s there. Players expect to get a salary increase when the cap goes up, it’s not just some luxury for the GM’s.

 

[Cobra Commander]

I don’t know why you think you have the magic answer to being a GM which you keep saying. You can’t low ball players and expect to come out on top. That cap increase comes with bigger salaries. That’s why it’s there. Players expect to get a salary increase when the cap goes up, it’s not just some luxury for the GM’s.

Agree to disagree, i pay for talent, the grinders get what's left over.

 

[nhlfan9191]

Agree to disagree.

I mean I’m curious as to what your response is. If you don’t like Danault, I’m fine with that. He’s no superstar. But you come in with an attitude like you could be an NHL GM and take the job and it seems like your mentality is to lowball and hope you get lucky.