Player Discussion Phillip Danault - You Guys Are Getting Paid? Edition

[canucklover123]

I was talking more about the number of chances he got. Anytime he takes a shot anywhere near the slot it's a chance.

i know that’s what I’m referring to. If you wanted to be generous and give him all his stastictics based on career avg in PO, youre looking at best case scenario as generously he would have 2.5 goals at even this series all while playing more than he has before.

his 2.85 shots a game at even is pretty bad considering the usage this year.

edit: I don’t know how many of those 2.85 shots a game were grade a either.

 

[Sorinth]

lets not pretend Matthews was a factor lol.
Matthews had 25 shots at 5 on 5 this series.
Out of this 25, no idea how many he had vs danault but let’s go and say something unlikely and 20 shots, that’s about 2.85 shots a game from the best goal scorer in the north who played more than his AVG toi from the season. Let’s not pretend his 3 shots a game with all grade A chances too.

Matthews was a non factor.

At his regular season shooting percentage he would've had 4.6 goals this series from his 5on5 shots (26 not 25). So without Price he would've still lit us up.

Danault did great limiting him, but unless you are creating chances of your own it's still ends up being a net negative and the goalie has to save the day.

 

[BLONG7]

The thing is everybody knows that Bergeron is worth way more than that now so not fair comparaison

That may be.......but poor Phil is in no way a two way guy, because he does not produce any offence......he is a def specialist, who can help shutdown the other teams #1-2 guy.......to get paid he needs some numbers, and score and set people up, and he doesn't do it.
Again, everyone says the same thing, we all want Phil to stay.................just not at any price.

 

[canucklover123]

At his regular season shooting percentage he would've had 4.6 goals this series from his 5on5 shots (26 not 25). So without Price he would've still lit us up.

Danault did great limiting him, but unless you are creating chances of your own it's still ends up being a net negative and the goalie has to save the day.

It’s playoffs dude, there’s a reason everyone’s shooting percentage is much lower maybe except KK lol

like I mentioned 2.5 goals at 5 on 5 is brutal considering his usage and lower than his average in playoffs against other opponents. Opponents being Bergeron, Dubois , etc...Again using generosity in those percentages

 

[Sorinth]

I mean doesn’t the fact that we just beat the leafs with him playing those minutes kind of contradict your point? Holding the rocket richard trophy winner to 1 goal in 7 games and another top 5 scorer to 0 goals?

It's a question of sustainability, doing it for 1 series is quite possible, doing it for 4 series is not.

 

[Natey]

Well bergeron is clearly underpaid by todays standards. For an elite 3rd line center 5m is only a slight overpay (maybe 500k more than I want)

Problem is most teams will not pay that because they need good offensive centers in front the black hole on their 3rd line. And that won't happen.

Plus, Danualt is CLEARLY the 2nd line centre here at worst. And in the playoffs, he's more like the 1st line centre. If you are playing your "elite 3rd line centre" that much, you're team better be able to score in the limited ice-time other players will get.

 

[Natey]

If you help limit the best goalscorer in the league and his partner who is top 5 in points to 1 goal in 7 games, it's a great series. Habs will lose any series if they try to outskill the other teams superstars upfront because we got nobody. Best strategy is to limit the superstars and have your other lines contribute which is exactly how we best the Leafs.

It's the Leafs. They choke constantly. It's like playing a worse version of the prime Sharks.

Plus, I'm not against Danault's usage right now. However, that's not sustainable and it's why we're constantly a bubble team.

 

[The Great Weal]

It's the Leafs. They choke constantly. It's like playing a worse version of the prime Sharks.

Cool, so we might as well have put the Zamboni driver in net instead of Price if you don't want to give any credit whatsoever.

 

[1909]

Danault, on any market, will get 5M $ easily per season.

Gallagher is working hard to keep him in MTL.

 

[De Montreal]

The thing I found out in this series is that Evans can actually be a pretty good winger. So that's a plus in favour of re-signing Danault.

 

[Natey]

Cool, so we might as well have put the Zamboni driver in net instead of Price if you don't want to give any credit whatsoever.

I can't even.

But yeah, zamboni drivers do beat the Leafs!

 

[Natey]

Danault, on any market, will get 5M $ easily per season.

Gallagher is working hard to keep him in MTL.

5.5 for 6-7 years will be DEEPLY regretted by whoever signs that contract.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

The thing I found out in this series is that Evans can actually be a pretty good winger. So that's a plus in favour of re-signing Danault.

Evans can replace Tatar. Not the same offensive skills but better shut down defensive line. Evans-Dano-Gally, one of the hardest line to play against. Anyway, Caufield can replace Tatar's offensive numbers (or Drouin) but on another line.

 

[ahmedou]

Phil Selke Danault***

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[HostileCapSpace]

Danault, on any market, will get 5M $ easily per season.

Gallagher is working hard to keep him in MTL.

One thing Gallagher could have done to keep Danault in MTL would have been to sign for 5 or 5.5 instead of 6.5.

 

[LaP]

Evans can replace Tatar. Not the same offensive skills but better shut down defensive line. Evans-Dano-Gally, one of the hardest line to play against. Anyway, Caufield can replace Tatar's offensive numbers (or Drouin) but on another line.

You need to score goals though. It worked against Toronto but don't fool yourself you don't win a cup scoring only 2 goals a game on average like we did against the Laffs. Tatar should be replaced by an offensive player. One that can be productive in payoffs ideally.

 

[Not The One]

 

[azcanuck]

Danault hardly gets any love on this board. He does a lot of dirty work and is valuable.

 

[Wats]

Don't think he's worth more than Pageau but he needs to be re-signed. Besides the start of this season he's been a beast for the organization. Hopefully he has accepted his role as 30-40 point shutdown C and takes under 5M.

Will never understand the argument that KK and Suzuki can't both develop with him. He isnt Desharnais taking all the offensive zone starts/PP time. It's on the management for playing Staal over KK and not giving him good icetime.

 

[Essenege]

Problem is most teams will not pay that because they need good offensive centers in front the black hole on their 3rd line. And that won't happen.

Plus, Danualt is CLEARLY the 2nd line centre here at worst. And in the playoffs, he's more like the 1st line centre. If you are playing your "elite 3rd line centre" that much, you're team better be able to score in the limited ice-time other players will get.

The thing is, we don’t have that elite offensive players, and there isn’t going to be one in the next few years unless we hit the jackpot in FA (Suzuki, Caufield, KK might get there but not in the immediate future)

So in the meantime we have to rely on high quality depth, and there’s no better available player for that then Danault. So I would gladly pay the 5M/5y although I would prefer more money for less term

 

[Natey]

The thing is, we don’t have that elite offensive players, and there isn’t going to be one in the next few years unless we hit the jackpot in FA (Suzuki, Caufield, KK might get there but not in the immediate future)

So in the meantime we have to rely on high quality depth, and there’s no better available player for that then Danault. So I would gladly pay the 5M/5y although I would prefer more money for less term

That's $5M of flat cap you're tying up... with a bunch of already huge contracts. You better hope KK, Suzuki, etc don't blow up into stars because we won't be able to pay them.......

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

Danault hardly gets any love on this board. He does a lot of dirty work and is valuable.

Yup, but he's not $5 Mill+ valuable, no #3C is, and that's the point...he doesn't produce nearly enough for a Top 6 role, it's that simple...under $4 mill is where he should be and anything above that, we're going to regret...

 

[1909]

Yup, but he's not $5 Mill+ valuable, no #3C is, and that's the point...he doesn't produce nearly enough for a Top 6 role, it's that simple...under $4 mill is where he should be and anything above that, we're going to regret...

He is already making 3,5..... He won't accept less than 5 for 5 seasons. And if he can't get it in MTL, he will easily get it elsewhere. With tatar and Drouin gone, Habs swill have plenty of $ to re-sign Danault and Armia + give raise to KK

 

[CristianoRonaldo]

Will never understand the argument that KK and Suzuki can't both develop with him. He isnt Desharnais taking all the offensive zone starts/PP time. It's on the management for playing Staal over KK and not giving him good icetime.

Danault plays a lot, him and Suzuki get the best wingers, what is left for KK ? You are aware that KK is playing around 13:30/game on average ? All this with Byron and a broken Anderson who can't do anything right since the first game against the Leafs.

If Danault can stick to third line minutes, he lets the best wingers to KK and Suzuki and he agrees to be paid like a #3C, most Habs fans will be happy to keep him. The problem is, as soon as the team struggles, the management resorts to the old things, like playing Danault 20 minutes per game.

 

[M.C.G. 31]

I hope he’d take a discount to stay here and accept a 3C role. $4-4.5m for a shutdown guy like him would be nice, just stop trying to force him in offensive roles and I have absolutely zero problems with him, as much as I absolutely hate his usage a lot of the time. Him and Evans as our shutdown, 2-way guys is a nice group to move forward with imo.


On the other hand I do see a reality where he opts to go somewhere like Columbus who would pay him, and give him a top-6 role that he wants (maybe used to want?).