Player Discussion Phillip Danault: from C to shining C Edition

[CHfan1]

I can...his name is Sam Bennett...

That is a player that comes to mind. But what does Calgary add? Also does Bergevin trade Danault to Calgary knowing they play each other 7 more times this season and could meet in the playoffs?

 

[ZUKI]

Did you just call Danault good?

he was probably sober

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

That is a player that comes to mind. But what does Calgary add? Also does Bergevin trade Danault to Calgary knowing they play each other 7 more times this season and could meet in the playoffs?

Calgary adds Kylington or so and we go from there...and if we play them in the PO's, so be it; we took care of our main offseason issue before it gets to that...

 

[ZUKI]

Why give him a 6 year + contract now though at his rumoured asking price of $5.7 million? That would be a mistake or even $5 million +.
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i don't know where it comes from, but the only thing i have read was that the 5M/6Y offer from Bergevin has been refused by the Danault clan.
Now i am reading in this thread 6m$, here is 5,7m$ and there was one talking about 5,25m$
Where this 5,7m$ comes from ?

Also, a question here;

i don't know how the things are done during negotiations, but isn't the agent do the negotiating part of the deal and then discuss with his client about it once there could be a conclusion ? My question is about all the players, not about Danault specifically, but in my mind, the player lets the agent does his job, and is the one to suggest to sign or not to sign ?

 

[CHfan1]

i don't know where it comes from, but the only thing i have read was that the 5M/6Y offer from Bergevin has been refused by the Danault clan.
Now i am reading in this thread 6m$, here is 5,7m$ and there was one talking about 5,25m$
Where this 5,7m$ comes from ?

Also, a question here;

i don't know how the things are done during negotiations, but isn't the agent do the negotiating part of the deal and then discuss with his client about it once there could be a conclusion ? My question is about all the players, not about Danault specifically, but in my mind, the player lets the agent does his job, and is the one to suggest to sign or not to sign ?

It was reported here I believe:

 

[ZUKI]

It was reported here I believe:

Thanks,
i suppose that it could be somewhere between the 5m$ offer and the 3,7m$ .My target would be to get him at 5,275m$-5,3m$.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

Thanks,
i suppose that it could be somewhere between the 5m$ offer and the 3,7m$ .My target would be to get him at 5,275m$-5,3m$.

How many successful teams have a $5+ mill 3rd line centre??...we've got too much cap tied up in other vets to be handing out a contract that high to our defensive specialist...

 

[TannedBum]

The 27-year-old Victoriaville, QC native also talked about his new role in the lineup:
I needed some time to adapt. There are a lot of things that changed at the same time, whether it was my ice time or the way I was being used on the penalty kill. I'm still playing with the same linemates, though.

Does that sound like he's already complaining about his icetime and PK usage ? Julien did broke the rule recently(thank god) and that first pair has no longer been a guaranteed starter.

 

[Mrb1p]

He is down to 15:50 a game. KK is getting 13:44 and evans 12:45(and almost all our bottom 6 fall in the 12-13:44) minute group.

Only toffoli(16:49) and Suz(18:11) have more TOI of our forwards. Anderson is at 14:09 Drouin Tatar and Gally are in the 15 minute range behind danault. He is still getting the king treatment from claude, He needs to up his points, it will hurt any contract if he can't produce more with the 3rd most TOI on the team.

Yeah, he needs to play a bit less IMO.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

The 27-year-old Victoriaville, QC native also talked about his new role in the lineup:
I needed some time to adapt. There are a lot of things that changed at the same time, whether it was my ice time or the way I was being used on the penalty kill. I'm still playing with the same linemates, though.

Does that sound like he's already complaining about his icetime and PK usage ? Julien did broke the rule recently(thank god) and that first pair has no longer been a guaranteed starter.

Actually, yup, it does...it's a very PC way of doing it, but he is still getting in the jabs while trying to sound contrite...if he really is "adapting", let Bergevin know you're on board with the changes and we can extend you right now...

 

[abo9]

He is down to 15:50 a game. KK is getting 13:44 and evans 12:45(and almost all our bottom 6 fall in the 12-13:44) minute group.

Only toffoli(16:49) and Suz(18:11) have more TOI of our forwards. Anderson is at 14:09 Drouin Tatar and Gally are in the 15 minute range behind danault. He is still getting the king treatment from claude, He needs to up his points, it will hurt any contract if he can't produce more with the 3rd most TOI on the team.

We won a lot of game (gotta protect that lead!) I wonder if his usage TOI change significantly when we're down?

 

[Archijerej]

Those two are playing better than him this season. Dude has a mental block, likely from messing up this contract.

Those two are Suzuki and Kotkaniemi?
No question Suzuki has been better and that's reflected in him taking over the #1C role.
As for Kotkaniemi, the thing with 11-game samples is that two or three games from now we may be complaining about the kid and praising Danault. So far Kotkaniemi has looked a bit better in a sheltered role.

 

[Mrb1p]

Those two are Suzuki and Kotkaniemi?
No question Suzuki has been better and that's reflected in him taking over the #1C role.
As for Kotkaniemi, the thing with 11-game samples is that two or three games from now we may be complaining about the kid and praising Danault. So far Kotkaniemi has looked a bit better in a sheltered role.

Kiotkaniemi was also better in the play-ins, so its more like a 22 games sample size.

 

[ZUKI]

How many successful teams have a $5+ mill 3rd line centre??...we've got too much cap tied up in other vets to be handing out a contract that high to our defensive specialist...

the ones that get 2 centres on their entry level contract ?
Next season, Gallagher will be paid 6,5m$ to play on the same 3rd line
Tatar is already at 4,8m$ and he also plays on the 3rd , how much will he take as a UFA next season ?
so why is it so dramatic when we talk about Danault but not for his linemates ?

 

[LaP]

We won a lot of game (gotta protect that lead!) I wonder if his usage TOI change significantly when we're down?

I think the opposite might happen. CJ is known to revert back to his trusted vets when things go wrong. Right now the team is winning and the kids are producing so hard to make changes to the lineup. It will be interesting to see if the team has a streak of 3 losses what CJ will do i think he might actually increase PD TOI instead of the opposite.

 

[Wats]

How many successful teams have a $5+ mill 3rd line centre??...we've got too much cap tied up in other vets to be handing out a contract that high to our defensive specialist...

Last couple Cup winners (Johnson/Bozak)

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Last couple Cup winners (Johnson/Bozak)

Minus those 2 are actually good in the offensive zone.

 

[Doc McKenna]

The 27-year-old Victoriaville, QC native also talked about his new role in the lineup:
I needed some time to adapt. There are a lot of things that changed at the same time, whether it was my ice time or the way I was being used on the penalty kill. I'm still playing with the same linemates, though.

Does that sound like he's already complaining about his icetime and PK usage ? Julien did broke the rule recently(thank god) and that first pair has no longer been a guaranteed starter.

Why Would Danault complain about his icetime?
Yesterday he had 18:33.
KK had 10:34 (played the full game)
Evans 11:25(with an injury)

Danaults line mates(you know our top payed winger and 5+ million Tatar)
Gally 14:22
Tatar 13:42

The only forward above him was suzuki at 19:57 but no one else was above 15:13(lots of PK for lehky)

Guy is still getting top 3 icetime game in game out, far more than his linemates, our best players the last couple of seasons. He is having his cake and eating it too. He barely gets PP time 0:22, but he is getting the teachers pet treatment and thats pretty nice to have.

Still not worth his asking price.

I would love to try gally and tatar with suzuki or KK to see if it helps their game, but we know that is not going to happen.

 

[Doc McKenna]

I think the opposite might happen. CJ is known to revert back to his trusted vets when things go wrong. Right now the team is winning and the kids are producing so hard to make changes to the lineup. It will be interesting to see if the team has a streak of 3 losses what CJ will do i think he might actually increase PD TOI instead of the opposite.

He did last night during a tight game. Got all nice and comfy with his Snuggie Danault @Runner77

 

[Wats]

Minus those 2 are actually good in the offensive zone.

Coincidentally, all 3 players don't have more than one over 50 points season and Danault is only one who didn't get PP time.

 

[Doc McKenna]

Coincidentally, all 3 players don't have more than one over 50 points season and Danault is only one who didn't get PP time.

Coincidentally 1 has a single season in the NHL where he had 41 points in 71 games of his rookie year, and the other had 34 points in 79 games his rookie year(18 years old) and had a sophomore slump and is still only 20 years old in his 3rd season. Danault broke out (40 point) playing on the top line as a 24 year old because we had no one else to play 1C with the failure of drouin as 1C.

So if you want to pretend that a 26 year old playing on the top line with LIMITED PP time(not no PP) who managed 12 more points than a rookie playing without top line minutes and players, or one that gets 10-13 minutes a night and still manages 34 points at 18 years old as comparables??

KK is playing on the third line with 7 points in 12 games compared do danault with his 5 in 12 at completely different stages of development, completely different usage, completely different linemates. And we already know Suzuki is heads above danault in virtually everything facet of the game including his D game. Suzuki starts putting up 50% faceoff vs his dismal 40%(that claude still trust him with) and it won't be even close.

I just don't know what to say.

 

[Benstheman]

the ones that get 2 centres on their entry level contract ?
Next season, Gallagher will be paid 6,5m$ to play on the same 3rd line
Tatar is already at 4,8m$ and he also plays on the 3rd , how much will he take as a UFA next season ?
so why is it so dramatic when we talk about Danault but not for his linemates ?

I agree with your general point. But if you ask me, it is ridiculous to pay a 3rd line center 5,5M$. That being said, it is completely stupid to pay 18M$ for the entire 3rd line.

So I’m pretty sure one of Danault or Tatar is not coming back. And I’m even more sure that with Caufield coming in soon, Tatar is the odd man out.

 

[Sam of Montreal]

Minus those 2 are actually good in the offensive zone.

Wow. Try harder.

Tyler Johnson is terrible for his contract and very average defensively for a few seasons now. Tyler freakin Bozak? This guy isn't more offensively skilled than Danault.

Danault is just having a slow start to this season.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

How many successful teams have a $5+ mill 3rd line centre??...we've got too much cap tied up in other vets to be handing out a contract that high to our defensive specialist...

You are over focussing about the $5+ mill 3rd line centre. The main goal of the Habs is to win a Stanley Cup and the real question would be : is Habs can afford being worse at the 3rd line center or they can't?

You and others seems to beleive Danault is replacable by any center because what he does can be replaced by Evans. I doubt it. Let's say Evans is 3rd center, who is 4th center? There is no answer, there is nobody. If you say you get the 3rd center by trade then it's a pure guess, we don't have a single clue if the new center will have chemistry, will have the same face off winning percentage, etc.

The season is long and exaustive. Some of our player are young at center position and not that big and strong. You like him or you hate him but as a fact Danault have some size, strength and endurance. He brings stability in a sport where injuries happens very fast. He plays a key spot position. I don't care about the 5 to 5,5M $ salary negociation. I am a CH fan, not an accountant.

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[salbutera]

You are over focussing about the $5+ mill 3rd line centre. The main goal of the Habs is to win a Stanley Cup and the real question would be : is Habs can afford being worse at the 3rd line center or they can't?

You and others seems to beleive Danault is replacable by any center because what he does can be replaced by Evans. I doubt it. Let's say Evans is 3rd center, who is 4th center? There is no answer, there is nobody. If you say you get the 3rd center by trade then it's a pure guess, we don't have a single clue if the new center will have chemistry, will have the same face off winning percentage, etc.

The season is long and exaustive. Some of our player are young at center position and not that big and strong. You like him or you hate him but as a fact Danault have some size, strength and endurance. He brings stability in a sport where injuries happens very fast. He plays a key spot position. I don't care about the 5 to 5,5M $ salary negociation. I am a CH fan, not an accountant.

I question what is the motivation of Danault haters here? And the same question for Drouin?
Because we can count the pages of debate and figure out there is something bizarre and irrationnal.
Racism?

No, not at all IMO, it’s simply Habs fans are starved & desperate for a star player and get severely disappointed when Drouin doesn’t perform as one (believing Sergachev is one when he is not), or they feel Danault is hindering Suzuki / KK from getting to that altar (which again is false)