Thanks for this JTS. I don't follow transactions closely like some here do, so it's nice to have it in 1 place. Hopefully the thread won't degenerate into you know what.
We should be more desperate to win now than anybody.Well that's after winning the cup. You're gonna lose FAs and trades after you win the cup because your mortgaging your future to win now.
Chia hasn't won the cup here and we're already doing that. It's OK to some extent but I think he is a bit too far on the spectrum away from prudent trades.
The only bad trades were the Hall and Reinhart trades.
Never should've traded for Reinhart in the first place unless it was only maybe a 2nd rounder only.
If he was going to trade Hall he should've had more coming back. Just wish it was Hall and Yakupov for Subban and 3rd.
But the Talbot trade is beyond the best because now as we speak Talbot is worth a 1st and a promising B+ Prospect.
The Yakupov trade is kinda lopsided because he really did try to get more but just couldn't, unless he tried in the 2015 off-season to trade him.
The signings though are really good, just don't know if any of them would've happened if it weren't for McDavid. Hoping he signs McDavid to a contract that makes him never want to leave Edmonton, and I'm talking $11M for 15 years.
Ive noticed it's hard to look at the trades without looking at the signings that happened moments after.
Hall for Larsson was an epic loss in isolation. But Lucic washes it out and makes us better.
Yak for nothing seems awful but signing Versteeg and Russel makes it a win.
Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one that doesn't really care about the Reinhart trade. You win some, you lose some. It's bound to happen when you need to turnover so much garbage accumulated by MacT, and Howson.
Hall+Yakupov+16th+33rd for Larsson and 3rd round pick. Way to go chiaturd.
Yeah totally. Since you'll probably just piss your paycheck away on ponies and beer, you may as well just give it away to me insteadI'm pretty ambivalent on the trade. There's very little evidence the Oilers would've drafted the players the Isles did, or that they'd develop them properly. Reinhart probably won't amount to much but I'm honestly not bothered by it.
Hall+Yakupov+16th+33rd for Larsson and 3rd round pick. Way to go chiaturd.
Oilers:
2007 Gagner (bust)
2008 Eberle (worthless one dimensional winger)
2009 Pääjärvi (bust)
2010 Hall (worthless injury prone one dimensional winger, should have picked Tyler)
2011 RNH (one dimensional midget center, should have picked Landeskog instead
Klefbom (worthless, bottom pairing on any decent team)
2012 Yakupov (bust)
2013 Nurse (bust)
2014 Draisaitl (bust)
2015 McDavid (overrated, could be next Daigle)
Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one that doesn't really care about the Reinhart trade. You win some, you lose some. It's bound to happen when you need to turnover so much garbage accumulated by MacT, and Howson.
Since you are so critical of Chia's asset valuation, let's turn the light on you and how you rate players.
Whoops.
Ive noticed it's hard to look at the trades without looking at the signings that happened moments after.
Hall for Larsson was an epic loss in isolation. But Lucic washes it out and makes us better.
Yak for nothing seems awful but signing Versteeg and Russel makes it a win.
I think an under valued part of the Hall-Larsson trade was the culture change aspect. Chia made it clear he wanted to change the team culture. Taking that element into consideration makes the trade much more respectable.
None of us are in the locker room, but Chia is. Gotta give him credit for taking that into account when making the trade.
Four things lead to the Hall trade
1) The Joker fell to us at the draft
2) As I posted before--at the world championships in russia--everyone I talked to said Lucic was a slam dunk to the Oilers
3) We had waited a long time to find a RHD who can play hard minutes every night--
4) Getting MCDavid--for ten years the oilers rebuild just sucked--the McDavid draft reset the organization and we were given the chance to redo the rebuild
How does getting a great RW prospect lead to trading your best LW?
Lucic coming to the Oilers definitely played a role in the Hall trade, that's why people can't look at the Hall trade in isolation.
Yes, the team has needed D help for a long, long time.
I get that missing the playoffs sucks, but it was only seven years of actual rebuild. The Oilers were in an uber funk in 06-07 from losing Pronger. The next two seasons they were competitive, both seasons team points were in the 80s. 07-08 they actually finished ninth in the conference. The rebuild started in earnest with the 09-10 season.
As much as it pains me to say it, KLowe was a decent GM. Pronger was a steal, but the Blues were definitely moving him and it wasn't guaranteed he was going to the Oilers. Peca/Roloson and the other in season deals put that team over the top.
KLowe has been atrocious as a POHO in picking Tambo and MacT as GMs plus his public comments have been really, really demeaning.
That was sarcasm and you know it.
Please get rid of our 6m golden boys #14 and #93. I am getting sick of those guys and their fanboys defending them.
Yakupov sucks. Trade him for a third.
Actually I have always hated the 6m golden boys. I am more than happy to see all of them gone.
You got to admit, it's kind of funny right?
Wait. You win some and you lose some? So Chia's made no good trades (a couple fireable offences), but it's forgivable because the old gms made bad trades and signings too? What has he done that's good so far? Am I missing something? Drafted McDavid? Got McLellan to come here because McDavid was here? Lucic was signed by McDavid and so was McLellan and that's not on Chiarelli
I'd rather have Chia, who loses the occasional trade, than MacT, who lost EVERY trade.
Kevin Lowes atrocious drafting is what led us here.How does getting a great RW prospect lead to trading your best LW?
Lucic coming to the Oilers definitely played a role in the Hall trade, that's why people can't look at the Hall trade in isolation.
Yes, the team has needed D help for a long, long time.
I get that missing the playoffs sucks, but it was only seven years of actual rebuild. The Oilers were in an uber funk in 06-07 from losing Pronger. The next two seasons they were competitive, both seasons team points were in the 80s. 07-08 they actually finished ninth in the conference. The rebuild started in earnest with the 09-10 season.
As much as it pains me to say it, KLowe was a decent GM. Pronger was a steal, but the Blues were definitely moving him and it wasn't guaranteed he was going to the Oilers. Peca/Roloson and the other in season deals put that team over the top.
KLowe has been atrocious as a POHO in picking Tambo and MacT as GMs plus his public comments have been really, really demeaning.