Confirmed Trade: Part 2:[OTT/SJ] Erik Karlsson and Francis Perron for Tierney, DeMelo, Norris, Balcers, 1st, 2nd

[Hammettf2b]

MFW Adam Larsson gets a better return lol

 

[Revelation]

Why didn't the oilers beat this? It would have been worth it even with Karlsson as a 100% rental

 

[KarmaPolice]

This isn't a bad trade in the sense that all the pieces are terrible. They're not. It's just so bad in that the pieces they got are meh and the piece they lost is Erik Karlsson.

Duchene got a better haul and this is sad. I legit feel bad for Sens fans. That this was the follow up to that cringy Melnyk video is just so heartbreaking.

Exactly. It's not that some of the assets they received have no value, it's just that they didn't get a single asset that you can hang your hat on and say "well, at least we got THIS guy for Erik." It's just not there, and even the guaranteed 1st rounder they get will probably be a relatively low 1st rounder in the 20-30 pick range, so it's not in the usual franchise-prospect landing territory. Sometimes you get lucky and do get a first liner in that range, but it takes some luck and it's sad if you have to reach that far to defend this trade.

I'd really love to hear Melnyk's reasoning for refusing to trade within the division, if that indeed is a policy he's enforcing on Dorion and his staff. If you're not going to compete within the next 4-5 years, why would it even matter? In fact, if Karlsson 'helps' you lose a few more games to get better 1st round picks within the next 4 years or so (I'm aware they traded their upcoming first), then isn't actually a good thing and actually helping you in the end for when you truly want/expect to compete? It's baffling to me.

 

[NyQuil]

One thing to consider: we know DW is a player’s GM who values character, both on and off the ice. He keeps a strong relationship with his players.

The way that DW handled the Mike Hoffman situation, making it clear that he had no interest in having a player like Hoffman on his team, has to speak volumes to Erik Karlsson on a personal level, given that Karlsson is the player that Hoffman specifically had a rift with. DW did not know he was getting Karlsson, and he clearly made a less than optimal move for his team by trading Hoffman for merely a 2nd round pick; keeping Hoffman over that pick would have been far more optimal from a purely on-ice perspective.

It’s possible that the Hoffman situation will help DW when it comes to Karlsson. By showing that DW has no interest in bringing characters like Hoffman on his team, irregardless of whether or not they’ve got a rift with a player presently on the roster.

I think this is reaching a little bit but we'll see.

I just see a GM making the most of an opportunity.

 

[TomasHertlsRooster]

Why didn't the oilers beat this? It would have been worth it even with Karlsson as a 100% rental

Not sure if the list he is referring to is a list of teams that Karlsson was willing to possibly re-sign with, or merely a list of teams not on his no-trade list.

 

[Erndog]

Not sure if the list he is referring to is a list of teams that Karlsson was willing to possibly re-sign with, or merely a list of teams not on his no-trade list.

Don't over think it.

It's the "PLAYER X has no interest in going to EDM" list

 

[GirardSpinorama]

I think this is reaching a little bit but we'll see.

I just see a GM making the most of an opportunity.

There is no way DW can possibly assess hoffman’s character in less than a day and having never met him.

 

[Revelation]

Not sure if the list he is referring to is a list of teams that Karlsson was willing to possibly re-sign with, or merely a list of teams not on his no-trade list.

Really, I can see him not wanting to stay long but if he put up 100 points with McDavid he could cash in ever harder next summer.

 

[TomasHertlsRooster]

Don't over think it.

It's the "PLAYER X has no interest in going to EDM" list

Okay, so, we know Karlsson had a list of 20 teams he would okay a trade to. That is because he had that list of 10 teams that he could veto a trade to.

My question is, is Peter Chiarelli talking about this list of 20? Or, is he talking about a shorter list; a list of teams where Karlsson was willing to consider re-signing?

 

[Revelation]

One thing to consider: we know DW is a player’s GM who values character, both on and off the ice. He keeps a strong relationship with his players.

The way that DW handled the Mike Hoffman situation, making it clear that he had no interest in having a player like Hoffman on his team, has to speak volumes to Erik Karlsson on a personal level, given that Karlsson is the player that Hoffman specifically had a rift with. DW did not know he was getting Karlsson, and he clearly made a less than optimal move for his team by trading Hoffman for merely a 2nd round pick; keeping Hoffman over that pick would have been far more optimal from a purely on-ice perspective.

It’s possible that the Hoffman situation will help DW when it comes to Karlsson. By showing that DW has no interest in bringing characters like Hoffman on his team, irregardless of whether or not they’ve got a rift with a player presently on the roster.

Except he's got Evander Kane signed long term who has done more way uncharacterly things than having a crazy girlfriend.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Why didn't the oilers beat this? It would have been worth it even with Karlsson as a 100% rental

We wasted our money on Lucic (6m cap hit) and Russell (4m), with those 2 alone taking up over 11% of our cap. Yep, we're blowing 11.5% of our cap on a 3rd pairing Dman and a 3rd line forward. Yay for Chia!

Though the rule for using LTIR space seems dumb to me. I don't see why a team shouldn't be able to use the cap space this time of year for a seriously injured player whom you can both prove the validity and severity of said injury, such as the case with Sekera. I mean, we're not talking about some mysterious allergy suddenly appearing at a time coinciding with a massively declining contract of an older player here (*cough*Hossa*cough*). He needed major surgery, which is obviously easy to document and validate, and any/every specialist would tell you he's done for 3+ months of playing pro hockey in the NHL this season. But that's a different story.

 

[Jordan Belfort]

Why didn't the oilers beat this? It would have been worth it even with Karlsson as a 100% rental

Because he’s not that good. If he was that good there would be a better offer.

 

[Erndog]

Okay, so, we know Karlsson had a list of 20 teams he would okay a trade to. That is because he had that list of 10 teams that he could veto a trade to.

My question is, is Peter Chiarelli talking about this list of 20? Or, is he talking about a shorter list; a list of teams where Karlsson was willing to consider re-signing?

I'm just telling you I wouldn't over think it.

It's literally just "Karlssons not interested in going to EDM."

Whether its going for 1 yr, signing extension, etc it boils down to that. Why trade for a guy that's not interested in going one way or another?

 

[pappaf2]

Because he’s not that good. If he was that good there would be a better offer.

Forgot the I think

 

[SabresSharks]

Except he's got Evander Kane signed long term who has done more way uncharacterly things than having a crazy girlfriend.

Except it's not Kane's girlfriend who's in a vicious spat with Karlsson's wife.

You can bet that Doug Wilson had Karlsson targeted long before he briefly acquired Hoffman. There was absolutely no way the Sharks were keeping Hoffman, and jeopardizing a future deal for EK.

 

[Revelation]

Because he’s not that good. If he was that good there would be a better offer.

usually good players (like Seguin or Subban) get traded for crap return and crap players (like Erat or Larsson) get traded for good return

 

[Revelation]

Except it's not Kane's girlfriend who's in a vicious spat with Karlsson's wife.

You can bet that Doug Wilson had Karlsson targeted long before he briefly acquired Hoffman. There was absolutely no way the Sharks were keeping Hoffman, and jeopardizing a future deal for EK.

yeah im talking about the "character" thing, obviously dw yes manned everything Karlsson could have ever wanted in the furthest recesses of his mind.

 

[serp]

Rumor was a trade was in place at the TDLwith SJ for EK, approved by Dorian, vetoed by Melynk

More importantly why the f*ck did they keep this years draftpick if they knew how horrible the team next season would where the draft class is supposedly much stronger ? My only guess is tricking as many season ticket holders as possible into spending money because Karlsson was still there. They give the Avs the First Rounder this year and the jig is up that Karlsson is guaranteed to be gone and that'd be even less money . Rebuild can wait a year or two to get going , no matter if that might actually prolong the rebuild , but the owner absolutely need to squeeze as much money out of the fans as possible before they realize they've been had.

 

[Icebreakers]

Really, I can see him not wanting to stay long but if he put up 100 points with McDavid he could cash in ever harder next summer.

He wants to be a contender. Who cares about playing with McDavid when you are that good. Do you think Crosby and Ovechkin are dying to play with McDavid? The only people that want to play with McDavid are guys like Lucic who need free points.

 

[Robert Kentwood]

Okay, so, we know Karlsson had a list of 20 teams he would okay a trade to. That is because he had that list of 10 teams that he could veto a trade to.

My question is, is Peter Chiarelli talking about this list of 20? Or, is he talking about a shorter list; a list of teams where Karlsson was willing to consider re-signing?

I read it as, Edmonton was on his no-trade list/Edmonton wasn't on his list of teams he could be traded to.

He did word it oddly, since it's a no trade list, not a list of teams he's willing to be traded to.

 

[mrpither]

Except it's not Kane's girlfriend who's in a vicious spat with Karlsson's wife.

You can bet that Doug Wilson had Karlsson targeted long before he briefly acquired Hoffman. There was absolutely no way the Sharks were keeping Hoffman, and jeopardizing a future deal for EK.

Back that whole thing went down so quickly I was thinking ok this is part of a two step plan:
1. DW takes Hoff out of EK65's hair as a favor
2. DW ships him off to FLA almost immediately to clear the way to bring EK65 to the West coast with a nice buffer from Hoff all the way in FL.

 

[Barrie22]

There was always tension between Sharks fans and Senators fans because Senators fans felt like the Sharks “stole” the 2017 Norris from them.

The Sharks were kind enough to gift the Senators a Norris in exchange.



This is ridiculous hyperbole.

What is hyperbole about it? The description of the players is right.

 

[CupsOverCash]

Im kind of shocked that they also sent him to SJ after they just sent Hoffman there and they immediately flip him to FL. Usually those things get you the cold shoulder for a bit. Not in Melnyk land.

 

[SensFactor]

Well it's been noted that DW has been in Ottawa for a week speaking to Karlsson's agent leading up to the trade so that made a resign quite possible. Why pull the trigger if there's no chance?

I bet you he doesn't resign in SJ, you in?

 

[TomasHertlsRooster]

Im kind of shocked that they also sent him to SJ after they just sent Hoffman there and they immediately flip him to FL. Usually those things get you the cold shoulder for a bit. Not in Melnyk land.

That’s why they included that clause with the conditional pick that gets sent to Ottawa if Karlsson plays in the Eastern Conference this season.

I bet you he doesn't resign in SJ, you in?

I’ll take an avatar bet, sure.