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[Kiwi]

Schools should be private. There is absolutely no need for public funding of schools in a properly functioning republic or democracy. Why should I send my kids to a school that teaches things I disagree with or pay for it. The same could be said about a great many public institutions, which should be shut down.

Look at energy prices, we now allow monopolies in electricity delivery. Ontario has so much energy and some of the highest costs. Clean coal is perfectly acceptable, China is building new plants all the time (not even the clean ones). Perhaps the one thing that should be run and provided for by the state, Energy derived from public rivers etc.

Governments don't know how to spend or make money. They know how to borrow money and tax you. They know how to line the pockets of their special interest friends and create inefficient over regulated, crony capitalist beaurocracy.

Capilltalism is the system that works, the system we have now is not what once was, we need to go back to our roots and reevaluate. Unfortunately the people want a nanny state in this and many countries. Sad, but they will get it and eventually the 21st century Stalins start popping up. Look at Spain, look at the Catalonia.

I don't have any philosophical problems with government's building school's especially in poorer neighborhood's

I can think of worse things tax revenue can go towards than educating children

I like the NZ system in this regard, we have private and public schools, if you want to send your child to a private school that is more in line with your values that's fine but you pay for it yourself

 

[Randy Randerson]

Build the schools, give every child fair and equal access to a good quality of education

After that I'm not keen on nudging of any kind no matter who's doing it

access and funding are there, it's subsidy (free money, rather than loaned money) that should be used to level the disparity between what schools are producing in the way of graduates and what the Canadian labour market needs by way of incentivising students towards fields where there is demand and insufficient supply

There absolutely no sense in continuing to oversupply certain fields where the average person graduating into that field is waiting 7-8 years, into their 30's, to get full time employment

And don't make any mistake, I'm not suggesting any sort of sanction or regulation on what students can take in school. I'm suggesting that additional incentive be placed in areas that free market functions (by way of increased compensation due to high demand and low supply where employers need to compete for employees) will eventually close the gap, but starting a few years earlier when students are choosing their field of study and before the concept of how they will be compensated is a real decision driver because they are still living on their parents dime so the concept of how to pay for the life they want is still abstract

 

[Kiwi]

access and funding are there, it's subsidy (free money, rather than loaned money) that should be used to level the disparity between what schools are producing in the way of graduates and what the Canadian labour market needs by way of incentivising students towards fields where there is demand and insufficient supply

There absolutely no sense in continuing to oversupply certain fields where the average person graduating into that field is waiting 7-8 years, into their 30's, to get full time employment

And don't make any mistake, I'm not suggesting any sort of sanction or regulation on what students can take in school. I'm suggesting that additional incentive be placed in areas that free market functions (by way of increased compensation due to high demand and low supply where employers need to compete for employees) will eventually close the gap, but starting a few years earlier when students are choosing their field of study and before the concept of how they will be compensated is a real decision driver because they are still living on their parents dime so the concept of how to pay for the life they want is still abstract

I'm against the subsidy side of your argument, something like that is way to dependent on the whims of the government in power at the time

My take on it would be to cut the government out of that completely, no subsidys on any course in tertiary education, I'd rather have the businesses in question go into the Universitys and state there case on why the young people should take courses that will get them into there line of business and why it's in the students best interests to do so, money, job opportunities etc

If the playing field is level and the kid has a potential interest in that general field they will gravitate towards the thing that's in there own self interest

If the government is determined to get involved, which they tend to be, they can Taylor immigration policy to favour people to help fill in holes in the economy
That's easy enough to do for a country as popular and stable as Canada

 

[Randy Randerson]

I'm against the subsidy side of your argument, something like that is way to dependent on the whims of the government in power at the time

My take on it would be to cut the government out of that completely, no subsidys on any course in tertiary education, I'd rather have the businesses in question go into the Universitys and state there case on why the young people should take courses that will get them into there line of business and why it's in the students best interests to do so, money, job opportunities etc

If the playing field is level and the kid has a potential interest in that general field they will gravitate towards the thing that's in there own self interest

If the government is determined to get involved, which they tend to be, they can Taylor immigration policy to favour people to help fill in holes in the economy
That's easy enough to do for a country as popular and stable as Canada

taking subsidy out of Canadian post-secondary is just not on the table, especially with this particular federal government regime, not even worth talking about.

It might as well be done in a common-sense manner that serves a purpose, is my point. At this point its primarily going to lower income demographics, I preferred what the previous regime did in using it to help match supply with demand rather than buy lower income votes

 

[Kiwi]

taking subsidy out of Canadian post-secondary is just not on the table, especially with this particular federal government regime, not even worth talking about.

It might as well be done in a common-sense manner that serves a purpose, is my point. At this point its primarily going to lower income demographics, I preferred what the previous regime did in using it to help match supply with demand rather than buy lower income votes

Then why bother in the first place?

The government is going to do things that suit them and the demographics they want to appeal to for votes at the next election

It's not exactly surprising

 

[Rogie]

I'm taking the Twins to win in baseball - this betting thing is kind of fun. Lost my first bet - wth!

 

[Randy Randerson]

Then why bother in the first place?

The government is going to do things that suit them and the demographics they want to appeal to for votes at the next election

It's not exactly surprising

Read back - I mentioned it anecdotally in response to a university vs trades debate that was going on in this thread, in which I think the university route was having all of its fields lumped together and judged by the ones that are feeding those over supplied fields which generate lots of over educated baristas rather than getting graduates good jobs in their selected fields because those fields are full. And the trades route, which has become an under supplied field with the propensity for the millennial generations to seek desk work, net pretty good paying positions pretty quickly because there's not enough of them. I tacked on that I liked what the previous government had done to try to sway university kids into fields that are in demand by offering inducements to the cost of their education vs what the current government does, you quoted me and said that the government shouldn't interfere which again was really never on the table, it was about how they could interfere more effectively

So, I brought it up because I believe it made the university system more effective in a trades vs university debate, then you sorta started a straw man about government intervention vs free market

The subsidy system for under supplied fields really didn't win any votes imo, nobody held that they created more network security specialist in high regard at election time, it was just a good common sense approach that helped the education system do what it was supposed to

 

[Gary Nylund]

alert system?

i don't really like "Like" systems. or advertised how many likes you have.
i will have to update all my urls, i had my chrome trained to go to the 3 places i frequented most often. now it just takes me to the main page.

I agree. I can't put my finger on it but there's something about this "advertising" that just doesn't seem right. Other than that, I don't mind "like" systems but there should be a "dislike" option as well.

Schools should be private. There is absolutely no need for public funding of schools in a properly functioning republic or democracy. Why should I send my kids to a school that teaches things I disagree with or pay for it. The same could be said about a great many public institutions, which should be shut down.

You might want to check out what's going on in Finland where there is nothing but public schools and yet, they have possibly the best education system in the entire world.

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Capilltalism is the system that works, the system we have now is not what once was, we need to go back to our roots and reevaluate. Unfortunately the people want a nanny state in this and many countries. Sad, but they will get it and eventually the 21st century Stalins start popping up. Look at Spain, look at the Catalonia.

If only it were that simple. Unfortunately when corporations are focused on the (mostly short term) bottom line, there has to be something somewhere to balance that or in the long term, we're doomed. Or do you need examples of how corporations destroy the environment in search of profits? Or do you think you can eat money?

I don't have any philosophical problems with government's building school's especially in poorer neighborhood's

I can think of worse things tax revenue can go towards than educating children

I like the NZ system in this regard, we have private and public schools, if you want to send your child to a private school that is more in line with your values that's fine but you pay for it yourself

Agree 100%.

 

[thewave]

I agree. I can't put my finger on it but there's something about this "advertising" that just doesn't seem right. Other than that, I don't mind "like" systems but there should be a "dislike" option as well.



You might want to check out what's going on in Finland where there is nothing but public schools and yet, they have possibly the best education system in the entire world.



If only it were that simple. Unfortunately when corporations are focused on the (mostly short term) bottom line, there has to be something somewhere to balance that or in the long term, we're doomed. Or do you need examples of how corporations destroy the environment in search of profits? Or do you think you can eat money?



Agree 100%.

Gary, best education system is debatable. They have far fewer people and a different culture in Finland. Large corporations, cities are very hard to manage. I am preaching options. Good schools will have a good reputation which will put them in demand and they will pay higher wages and expand. The market settles what is best by results. The state can run aptitude testing to test the schools performance as a whole as to ensure a certain level is achieved. You could also run inter-school competitions. Its how you raise the bar.

Capitalism does not mean lawless and wreckless. Many companies today in this crony capitalist model are gettig away with dumping even toxic waste in rivers and the ocean. I think the fine for ocean dumps are 70,000 where treatment of said chemical can be millions. It makes no sense, what we don't need in the west is to revert to inferior, more oppressive oversight. We need to harness the good of the people and focus on productivity, not on trivial differences, on goals and not the past. The system as is in the west needs audited, put under scrutiny and evaluated by independent bodies and then... Restructured. It won't happen though because you only get a couple parties to vote for, not the option to scrap and rebuild under a controlled construct and rule of law.

 

[ACC1224]

Hard to believe Tom Petty died.
Such an immense catalogue, huge talent.
Regret never having seen him live, not really sure why I didn't.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Yeah sad day and only 66

 

[ErnieLeafs]

Hard to believe Tom Petty died.
Such an immense catalogue, huge talent.
Regret never having seen him live, not really sure why I didn't.

I had the pleasure of seeing Petty at the amazing Fox Theatre in Detroit, rather than a stadium. It was $150 very well spent. He was one of the greatest songwriters the rock genre has ever known. Something settling about knowing he was able to finish his 40th anniversary tour a week or two ago at the Hollywood Bowl with the Heartbreakers. A last bit of closure on a timeless artist and career.

 

[thewave]

So lame Petty is already dead? That really sucks. So many of my favartists are dying young, like wtf!?

 

[Diamond Joe Quimby]

Hard to believe Tom Petty died.
Such an immense catalogue, huge talent.
Regret never having seen him live, not really sure why I didn't.

The last couple years have been tough. Bowie, Prince, Glen Frey, and now Tom Petty. So much talent.

 

[ACC1224]

The last couple years have been tough. Bowie, Prince, Glen Frey, and now Tom Petty. So much talent.

Yep but I think it's probably always been that way we just pay more attention now that we're older.

 

[thewave]

Nobody uses this thread really, but now the dust has settled some... Keep in your thoughts and prayers the people of LV EDM Etc. Really at this point I would say keep your thoughts and prayers that all of this senseless insane killing and anger just stops boiling over. Sanity is keeping open dialogue and having difficult discussion, not hating one another for differences in opinion. I hope that people join together and pray for peace while disavowing violence.


Let this simmer in your heads... Do not let these singular acts of violence desensitise you. Each one is as hainous and gruesome as the last. If you so choose, consider questioning and demanding answers as to how and why our tax dollars are increasingly being used less and less effectively at defending our nations. All too often these acts are carried out and the line "was known to authorities" is heard, why? Demand accountability, demand answers. Ask questions, make it a part of your civic duty and participate in local level politics, discuss. Be good citizens, more importantly good neighbors.

God Bless you all.

/end

 

[ACC1224]

never mind

 

[member 262271]

Huge bummer about Tom Petty. His songs were always playing in the house when I was growing up, so they mean a lot. RIP.

 

[Rogie]

So, again the Sportsbook is fun.. I lost my 2nd bet. But, it's play money, so, I 'm going with the Rockies cause they look like they have a chance and, again, the odds are better 1.7 to 1.

So, this is weird - it used to have our Sportsbook bankroll on our profile thingy, but, they've taken that off, so, you can't see how much money you have in the Sportsbook bank thingy. But, I remembered you can see how much money other betters have by looking in the details on the wager page and clicking on a bettor, where it tells you, NOT HOW MUCH they actually bet, but, it gives you (I assume) how much they have left in their Sportbook bank.

So, I thought, (since I started - and thought everyone started with 10,000 bucks) that, since, I lost 2 bets of 100 bucks, I should be down to 9800 bucks. Hmmm, NOT SO, I now have 14,800 dollars in my Sportsbook betting account.

Anyone have any ideas how we earn/receive money for our Sportsbook acct, other than by winning bets, which I have not done.

 

[Rogie]

So, again the Sportsbook is fun.. I lost my 2nd bet. But, it's play money, so, I 'm going with the Rockies cause they look like they have a chance and, again, the odds are better 1.7 to 1.

So, this is weird - it used to have our Sportsbook bankroll on our profile thingy, but, they've taken that off, so, you can't see how much money you have in the Sportsbook bank thingy. But, I remembered you can see how much money other betters have by looking in the details on the wager page and clicking on a bettor, where it tells you, NOT HOW MUCH they actually bet, but, it gives you (I assume) how much they have left in their Sportbook bank.

So, I thought, (since I started - and thought everyone started with 10,000 bucks) that, since, I lost 2 bets of 100 bucks, I should be down to 9800 bucks. Hmmm, NOT SO, I now have 14,800 dollars in my Sportsbook betting account.

Anyone have any ideas how we earn/receive money for our Sportsbook acct, other than by winning bets, which I have not done.

Just checked again, cause I wanted to double check in case I looked at someone else's account, and NOW, it says I have 14,900 bucks in my account. Hmm, so, maybe making posts garners us Sportsbook money!!!!

 

[Rogie]

Just checked again, cause I wanted to double check in case I looked at someone else's account, and NOW, it says I have 14,900 bucks in my account. Hmm, so, maybe making posts garners us Sportsbook money!!!!

Okay, NEVERMIND, I read the thread in the general forum on Sportsbook.
Everyone gets to start over with 15000 bucks for the start of the hockey season, good, I'm not going crazy.

Better, I learned that I should probably read the helpful information forums before I babble off.

 

[Rogie]

The sportsbet thing is fun. I've lost 4 in a row, so, sheesh, I must be do for a win soon.

I'm betting just on the baseball and I keep taking the team with the longer odds - it hasn't been working so far, but, hey, small sample size still.

So, I took the Dbacks against the Dodgers just because the payout is really good if the Dbacks win - but, you just get your money back and a wee wee bit if the Dodgers win.

Yeah, I know the Dodgers are supposedly the cream of the crop, but, the Dbacks should have a chance - I think so anyways.

 

[Rogie]

Here is the color scheme and the new design that I came up with - someone posted a while back about how to change the layout or basic schema for the HF page.

I've attached a couple of png (from basic paint program) files if anyone is interested. I have a lot of problems with visual things, so, looking at all the white was really difficult. Now, I've got orange and white and there are some lightly shaded grey areas that help offset things.
The ALL DARK was just too dark for me.
I think I"ve adjusted to this quickly and don't feel the need to go looking for another design, so, it must be not too bad.

 

[Pookie]

Here is the color scheme and the new design that I came up with - someone posted a while back about how to change the layout or basic schema for the HF page.

I've attached a couple of png (from basic paint program) files if anyone is interested. I have a lot of problems with visual things, so, looking at all the white was really difficult. Now, I've got orange and white and there are some lightly shaded grey areas that help offset things.
The ALL DARK was just too dark for me.
I think I"ve adjusted to this quickly and don't feel the need to go looking for another design, so, it must be not too bad.

Schools should be private. There is absolutely no need for public funding of schools in a properly functioning republic or democracy. Why should I send my kids to a school that teaches things I disagree with or pay for it. The same could be said about a great many public institutions, which should be shut down.

Look at energy prices, we now allow monopolies in electricity delivery. Ontario has so much energy and some of the highest costs. Clean coal is perfectly acceptable, China is building new plants all the time (not even the clean ones). Perhaps the one thing that should be run and provided for by the state, Energy derived from public rivers etc.

Governments don't know how to spend or make money. They know how to borrow money and tax you. They know how to line the pockets of their special interest friends and create inefficient over regulated, crony capitalist beaurocracy.

Capilltalism is the system that works, the system we have now is not what once was, we need to go back to our roots and reevaluate. Unfortunately the people want a nanny state in this and many countries. Sad, but they will get it and eventually the 21st century Stalins start popping up. Look at Spain, look at the Catalonia.

 

[Pookie]

I don't think you can have extremes. All government or all capitalism.

Capitalism might help boost the economy but without regulation, environment and other factors can suffer. Even without that, scandals abound from crooks and crooked deals that have left many without.

Some services, like Healthcare should never be treated like a business. They need to be better run then they are now absolutely with a focus on outcomes but someone's life is not a simple profit ratio.