If they're going to expand, I don't understand why they don't just limit it to 40... I mean, I understand why (dolla bills, ya'll), but three-team groups are just awkward. At least with 40 teams you still have a fairly deep group stage.
Is this not what World Cup qualifying is?
That's the big issue with this. Qualifying, as it is right now, is rather fascinating. What's even the point of having qualifying in South America if 60% of the teams get in directly? How do you design a system to get 6.5 CONCACAF teams in when there's really only even 11 that have adequate infrastructure to host multiple matches (unless you want a ton of qualifiers on cricket pitches)?
In essence you ruin a pretty fun part of the World Cup process to just smash in a hell of a lot of teams that don't deserve to be there so everyone can go 'woah we made the World Cup!!11!!1!' as they get the everloving **** kicked out of them by teams that are actually good.
Another article I read had a cool idea. Have your qualifiers in the years leading up to the tourney. Then, 64 (I think it was 64 teams) split into 16 groups of 4. However, they each have a home and home, similar to the qualifying. Run this over several months with the winner of each group advancing to the Host nation for a final 16. So, I think the example he used was Group A being France, US, Chile, and Morocco. US plays a home and home with France, Chile, and Morocco and so forth accumulating points. The idea is that something like would grow the game of soccer in the individual countries that need growing rather than the tournament as it is set up now. Gives each country the chance to see it's team play on it's soil in meaningful games. Yes, I know a lot of people will travel to see the World Cup, but MOST people are still staying home to watch on tv. This set up would give the chance for more Americans to see their team play in the World Cup, same for Frenchmen, Moroccan, and so forth.
Thats the way I see it. you're basically hi-jacking the quali process so countries can now feel better about being in the proper WC? Does this line of thinking really help?
Do countries learn to love a sport by simply being included in the party even though they get handled easily? Is that what made America like soccer finally?
I guess what FIFA is going for is that China/Canada/etc pays higher rights for the WC based on those countries now being part of it, rather than what they receive from these countries for only qualifying-level broadcasts?
This would be absolute murder on players though. Take a guy like Nkoulou on Cameroon. Basically asking him to travel from France to America to Cameroon to France in the span of 10 days. Clubs are angry enough at international soccer as is.
tbh I don't even think there's much of a problem right now. This is FIFA fixing a problem that doesn't exist (well, outside of not ever being able to have too much money).
Also I mean...World Cup qualifying provides meaningful home games for virtually every country. The elite European countries, US/Mexico (Mexico did have enough problems last time around) and Brazil/Argentina are the historical exceptions over the past 20 years (maybe you could argue a couple Asian countries). And now...good luck with that.
Bingo.
They've basically ruined any challenge qualifying has to give some countries the cheap thrill of being the 45th team in the World Cup.
The vast, vast majority of people don't care about qualifying, and hell of my friends who follow PL teams just whine and moan at every international break.
Oh 100%.
When the final couple rounds of European qualifying are going on, I get to inform my friends that Canada got eliminated about 12 months prior. And then it just repeats itself every cycle.
The vast, vast majority of people don't care about qualifying, and hell of my friends who follow PL teams just whine and moan at every international break.
The US qualified for the first time since 1950. Have qualified each time since. In 1990, they lost all 3 games. In 94, they went 1-2-1 (1-1-1 in prelims) and lost in round of 16. In 98, they went 0-3 and finished 32nd out of 32. 2002 was better and got to the quarters. In 2010, they were 0-2-1, only scored 2 goals and one was an own goal by Italy. Soccer has grown tremendously here the past 25-30 years. So, for a lot of countries, I think just being invited to the party is enough to get interest. Don't need to be in the VIP section.Thats the way I see it. you're basically hi-jacking the quali process so countries can now feel better about being in the proper WC? Does this line of thinking really help?
Do countries learn to love a sport by simply being included in the party even though they get handled easily? Is that what made America like soccer finally?
I imagine that is a big part of it. Not sure for certain, but I would think ESPN (or whoever carries the tourney here in the US) has a clause in the contract for the rights fees based on the US qualifying or not qualifying. People here will still watch if the US failed to qualify, but the ratings would suffer.I guess what FIFA is going for is that China/Canada/etc pays higher rights for the WC based on those countries now being part of it, rather than what they receive from these countries for only qualifying-level broadcasts?
The US being in the World Cup has helped, but I think the real growth of soccer in this country has more to do with the globalization and easy access to foreign leagues we've seen since the middle of last decade.
The rise in popularity of the sport in my lifetime has been nothing short of absurd...though I think it's fair to say that American interest in the sport bottomed out right around when I was born in '86. Getting to the World Cup helped a bit, hosting the World Cup helped a bit, getting a domestic league set on basically doing everything the opposite way that the NASL did helped, but I would definitely say that the biggest driver in interest has been simple accessibility. As I said earlier, watching non-domestic/international soccer a decade ago was completely impractical for most people since it basically required a satellite...now I can watch numerous leagues with a basic cable package.
Either way the spike of casual fans that show up for the World Cup tends to dissipates quickly. We're used to being able to see the best in their respective sports in our backyards, so when you advertise that the best of the best require waking up at 4am on a Sunday to watch...yeah, people just go back to barely following the sport until the next World Cup. Really I think the only way to make the next huge step would be a drastic improvement of the MLS...though it'd be interesting to see how differently a 2026 US-hosted World Cup would go than the 1994 one considering how far the sport has advanced in the country since then.
I'd love to see stats on the retention of World Cup viewers to MLS, or even to foreign leagues. Doesn't seem like anyone has done much of a study on it yet.
I was in Cincinnati to watch the Jays play back in 2014, and it just happened that the US/Portugal match was on a couple hours after one of the games. So I went down to a bar in northern Kentucky. Three levels, each one absolutely jammed with people wearing US stuff. The vast majority of people I talked to gladly admitted that they barely watched/didn't watch European competitions and had at most a basic knowledge of MLS (tbh I was happier it was that way than the reverse). Which is totally fine - absolutely nothing wrong with people showing up to support their country, and I had an awesome time there.
I don't know how much four national team matches every four years retain viewers. I do know that Cincinnati's USL team averaged over 17K per match this year, which at least shows to me that if you provide an entertaining local product, that's a far better way to attract new fans.
It is just like gymnastics, Track, swimming, figure skating, even hockey. Lots of once every 4 years fans who get into it out of a sense of patriotism rather than actually being a fan of the sport itself. I get into the World Cup, the next MLS game I watch will be my first. I watched a few EPL games last saturday, but I could not tell you now who was playing or who won.
It is just like gymnastics, Track, swimming, figure skating, even hockey. Lots of once every 4 years fans who get into it out of a sense of patriotism rather than actually being a fan of the sport itself. I get into the World Cup, the next MLS game I watch will be my first. I watched a few EPL games last saturday, but I could not tell you now who was playing or who won.
Doesn't that contradict the point that the World Cup helps grow soccer then?
Basically everyone just gets all patriotic for two weeks and then goes back to not caring. So FIFA's spoonfeeding people World Cup spots so they can be happy that their country still sucks at soccer, but they suck just not enough to be able to play two matches and go home.
Doesn't that contradict the point that the World Cup helps grow soccer then?
Basically everyone just gets all patriotic for two weeks and then goes back to not caring. So FIFA's spoonfeeding people World Cup spots so they can be happy that their country still sucks at soccer, but they suck just not enough to be able to play two matches and go home.
*insert comment/hot take about participation ribbon society here*
when I said last saturday, I meant 12/31, BUT, it was actually throughout the Xmas-New Years Week, that I saw a bunch of games.There were no EPL games last Saturday. Just sayin'...
Doesn't that contradict the point that the World Cup helps grow soccer then?
Basically everyone just gets all patriotic for two weeks and then goes back to not caring. So FIFA's spoonfeeding people World Cup spots so they can be happy that their country still sucks at soccer, but they suck just not enough to be able to play two matches and go home.
*insert comment/hot take about participation ribbon society here*
3-team group would make sense if team were to play TWO games against each opponent.
But one game? What the point of even bothering with a group stage?