OHL Trades 2017-18 Season Thread

[ScoresFromCentre]

I tend to agree with dirty on this. The Lalonde return isn't that far off from the McLeod return, or the return we've seen for some other high first rounders, and that's setting aside the compensation picks the trading team receives in those cases (which really shouldn't be part of the calculus, but I expect are anyway). I don't think I would have paid what Guelph did, but I don't think it's hugely outlandish. Their pick cupboard was ridiculous (seven 2nds in 2018 and 2019) and turning some of those picks into elite young talent made a lot of sense. That said, if Lalonde underperforms (a fair risk), this could be one of those rare trades that disappoints both teams. Guelph gives up serious capital for the wrong guy, and Sudbury doesn't get an elite roster player back for the #2 overall pick. (What if all of those second-rounders they draft refuse to report to Sudbury?) Really, this trade is operating from something of an unfortunate premise, which is that a hockey program with that much history, and in a city so passionate about the league and sport, should not be losing top-flight talents after a single year. Papineau needs to get that ship righted fast.

Unfortunately I haven't been able to find any information on those conditionals. My best guess is that the 2019 pick is protection for Lalonde making the NHL in his nineteen-year-old year (it's too early to be OA protection) and the 2021 pick is OA protection. We know he's going to report, and performance-based conditions on a D don't really make sense. Could also be a draft position condition or a games played condition.

 

[EON]

Erie and SSM complete a deal:

 

[EON]

Owen Sound and Sudbury complete a deal as well:

 

[ScoresFromCentre]

Thanks EON! Added those trades in, plus the Zach Shankar to Niagara move.

 

[AttackSound]

In a corresponding move, DeGray has traded goaltender Emanuel Vella to the Mississauga Steelheads in exchange for the Steelheads’ 5th round pick in the 2020 OHL Priority Selection, as well as Mississauga’s 6th round pick in the 2018 OHL Priority Selection.

 

[ScoresFromCentre]

Thanks, AttackSound. List is updated.

 

[EON]

This thread has been stickied as it will be very useful throughout the season, but please, only post confirmed trades in this thread, not rumors. Keep those to the team threads, and watch your sources.

 

[ETA 2000 Fan]

Posted on Twitter Sunday Sept 10th 9:13 am

@OHLBarrieColts 46m46 minutes ago

TRADE ALERT The Barrie Colts have traded a conditional 12th round selection in 2020 to Ottawa in exchange for G Leo Lazarev.

 

[ScoresFromCentre]

Thanks, ETA! Trade details added. No info on conditions yet, but if anyone does happen upon the details, please pass them on here.

Also, appreciate the sticky, EON! Looking forward to discussing the various trades that unfold as the season gets underway.

 

[ETA 2000 Fan]

Lasarev to Barrie

Thanks, ETA! Trade details added. No info on conditions yet, but if anyone does happen upon the details, please pass them on here.

Kenny Walls from TSN1200 in Ottawa reported (via Twitter - @LongBallsWalls):

"The conditions on the pick are that it will turn into a 7th round pick if Lazarev plays this year."

 

[ScoresFromCentre]

Thanks, ETA! Added the Anthony Dumont-Bouchard trade to the list as well.

 

[AttackSound]

Flint, Mich. – The Flint Firebirds announced today that the club has completed a trade with the London Knights.

In the trade, the Firebirds acquire defenseman and Toronto Maple Leafs’ draft pick Nicolas Mattinen (pronounced MATT-i-nen) from the Knights in exchange for a third-round pick in the 2018 OHL Draft, a second-round pick in the 2019 OHL Draft and Niagara’s second-round pick in the 2020 OHL Draft. Should Mattinen play his overage year next season, London would obtain the Firebirds’ third-round pick in the 2019 OHL Draft as well.

This was released later in the day yesterday

 

[EON]

 

[TcNorth]

Two 2nds are conditional; so, 2-2nds 2-3rds and a possibly sevrviceable D, for now. For comparison sake on refuse to report players picked in top 3. Flint is guaranteed 3 of each and comp 1st & (comp 2nd for not being able to pick one selection after previous year?) for R. McLoed. That works fine for both teams? Lalonde deal does not warrant inclusion with outlandish trades.

I repectfully disagree and also think the high-jacking London got for Mattinen was way more than a bit much. However, what Flint got for McLeod was also a robbery.

 

[sirius67fan]

I repectfully disagree and also think the high-jacking London got fot Mattinen was way more than a bit much.

Agreed potentially two seconds, two thirds for Mattinen is ridiculous. Kudos to the Knights for getting it. Better get used to the Knights dominating with what teams are giving them for their surplus players.

 

[NOA]

Agreed potentially two seconds, two thirds for Mattinen is ridiculous. Kudos to the Knights for getting it. Better get used to the Knights dominating with what teams are giving them for their surplus players.

yep. this is exactly what it boils down to. if every team ignored their trade calls for their spare part players, they would either have to release them or face other guys not signing because they have a crowded ship. no need to over pay for guys just because they come from london

 

[Purple Phart]

yep. this is exactly what it boils down to. if every team ignored their trade calls for their spare part players, they would either have to release them or face other guys not signing because they have a crowded ship. no need to over pay for guys just because they come from london

The thing is that other teams recognize that London players....even their "spare parts" have been drafted because of proven scouting. In some instances, London's spares are equal to or better than what the acquiring team sees as their potential roster. A player that London has invested a couple of development years into is seen by competing GM's as being a bona fide OHL player. Not every team sees it this way, but enough do, so that the Knights will continue to replenish their draft pick arsenal, when restocking is needed. Do they warrant a "premium price" ? Apparently enough organizations around the league think so.

 

[Firebrd828]

The thing is that other teams recognize that London players....even their "spare parts" have been drafted because of proven scouting. In some instances, London's spares are equal to or better than what the acquiring team sees as their potential roster. A player that London has invested a couple of development years into is seen by competing GM's as being a bona fide OHL player. Not every team sees it this way, but enough do, so that the Knights will continue to replenish their draft pick arsenal, when restocking is needed. Do they warrant a "premium price" ? Apparently enough organizations around the league think so.

The "spare part" Kole Sherwood performed pretty well for the Firebirds last year. Still, the 'Birds only got the one year out of him. Did they overpay??? Probably.

 

[BrunoDaBear]

The smart GM's (Dale Degray) never overpay in trades with London.

 

[AttackSound]

The smart GM's (Dale Degray) never overpay in trades with London.

DeGray always makes his moves early in the when the trade freeze gets lifted and the price is low

Very rarely dose Digs play with the league's heavy-weight teams on the trade table like London, doesn't believe in making moves that force him to "overpay" on one player believes more in moving guys for opportunity and bring something to the club that is missing although he realizes that you have to pay to play with the big guys in the conference (Erie,London,Windsor etc.) so will move for good pieces like Lyszczarczyk this year

 

[youngblood10]

The thing is that other teams recognize that London players....even their "spare parts" have been drafted because of proven scouting. In some instances, London's spares are equal to or better than what the acquiring team sees as their potential roster. A player that London has invested a couple of development years into is seen by competing GM's as being a bona fide OHL player. Not every team sees it this way, but enough do, so that the Knights will continue to replenish their draft pick arsenal, when restocking is needed. Do they warrant a "premium price" ? Apparently enough organizations around the league think so.

Good points, it's why those teams will never be able to compete and be perpetual second tier organizations.

They'll never have enough assets to aquire enough spare parts to beat the teams that they're aquiring the spare parts from at premium prices.

It's not a move an organization makes to try to start building a winner. It a move a team makes to complete a winning team.

 

[ZinErie]

I agree.

I'm with PP on this. I think you're letting your dislike for the Knights to get the best of you here ottersguy.

The thing is that other teams recognize that London players....even their "spare parts" have been drafted because of proven scouting. In some instances, London's spares are equal to or better than what the acquiring team sees as their potential roster. A player that London has invested a couple of development years into is seen by competing GM's as being a bona fide OHL player. Not every team sees it this way, but enough do, so that the Knights will continue to replenish their draft pick arsenal, when restocking is needed. Do they warrant a "premium price" ? Apparently enough organizations around the league think so.

 

[Generalsupdates]

The smart GM's (Dale Degray) never overpay in trades with London.

Dale Degray never spends in trades and it's why his teams are always good and never great lol. You have to be willing to risk it in the CHL because all the other top teams are going to

 

[Savard18]

Dale Degray never spends in trades and it's why his teams are always good and never great lol. You have to be willing to risk it in the CHL because all the other top teams are going to

? Didn't they take the OHL title in 2011, come awfully close to coming out of the toughest conference the CHL has seen in some time last year and are most people's favorite to take the title this year? That's AWFULLY good if it's not great. There's probably close to 15 teams that would trade for that level of success. Not to mention OS does have some small handicaps. Also, I think Ottersguy does have a point. London does usually have an excess of players. IF all the rest of the league were to hold firm and lowball them, it would put them in a bit of a spot, to cut, release, keep kids in JrA and possiy be disgruntled or trade them for fair or less value. It'll just never happen.

 

[RayzorIsDull]

? Didn't they take the OHL title in 2011, come awfully close to coming out of the toughest conference the CHL has seen in some time last year and are most people's favorite to take the title this year? That's AWFULLY good if it's not great. There's probably close to 15 teams that would trade for that level of success. Not to mention OS does have some small handicaps. Also, I think Ottersguy does have a point. London does usually have an excess of players. IF all the rest of the league were to hold firm and lowball them, it would put them in a bit of a spot, to cut, release, keep kids in JrA and possiy be disgruntled or trade them for fair or less value. It'll just never happen.

Yes they won the OHL title in 2011 and conference finals this past year and contenders this year. The Midwest division has accounted for 5 of the past 6 OHL title winners and Owen Sound has one of them that's pretty good.