Xspyrit
DJ Dorion
2 bad seasons and 1 good season for Greening. He's an AHLer without a healthy Spezza.
Thing is Colin Greening (and he is the player I dislike the most on the team) has NEVER been overpaid. Please try to have a bit of perspective people...
http://www.capgeek.com/player/1711
2010-11 : $735,000 (in his first (partial) season, so pro-rated on the number of days he was with the team, not a lot of money and had some pretty good stats for a fresh NHL player)
2011-12 : $700,000 (one of the best bargains in the NHL)
2012-13 : $800,000 (not as good as his rookie season, but still a great bargain. 8-11-19 in 47 games, pro-rated as 14-19-33 over a full 82 games season. Also, great showing in the playoffs)
2013-14 : $950,000 (not a great year and was barely worth his contract, even under a million. Still not overpaid)
Greening is not an AHLer, he's a bottom-6 player on a team that has little depth after 6-7 great forwards eating much of the cap space. However, if he plays like last year, he is not worth keeping on your team based on his new salary. If he plays more like he did the rest of his NHL career, he is a good LW to move between your 3rd and 4th line. I remember a few years ago, when "some" people were hyping Greening. I was among the crowd saying he was a glorified bottom-6 player, 3rd LW at best.
For the Sens, it makes sense to move him to "lighten" the budget and give more opportunity room to younger players. We don't need Greening anymore, was a good serviceable player for 4 years but not a guy you hang onto. In hindsight, it would have been better to not sign him. No management is perfect and even the best HF rated ones get "fire the GM" threads...
You're laying it on a bit thick with the hyperbole. Greening's had as many points or more than Bolland in every season where they've both been NHL regulars. And before you point me to games played, part of a player's worth comes from how often he's actually on the ice. Whether he was on pace to best him or not isn't particularly relevant at this stage.
Not to mention an unsustainably low shooting percentage for Greening last year, an unsustainably high one for Bolland, and the fact that Greening's 225 hits in 76 games far outstrips Bolland's 38 in 23.
Greening's been crucified all offseason for his rough season. And yeah, he had a bad one. Not defending that. But the hyperbole is rapidly reaching "Phillips only points," "Filly don't do rebounds" and "Matt Gilroy eats babies" status.
Thank you for inserting a bit of common sense on this board, always needed.
It really is. There seems to be some kind of group mentality around here where people get off on hating the same guys that others hate.
It's odd.
Im all for being critical of a player, but when it comes to Greening its going way overboard. Saying that he doesn't even belong in the league is a tad ridiculous.
Sucks because I can't "hate" Greening in peace... Now I have defend him because it goes beyond ridiculous.
I have always been very critical of Greening, being one of the first (if not the first) to say "plays die on his stick". It's so badly worded that it's a proof it comes from me
I dislike Greening because outside of one season playing with Spezza he's been a 4th liner at best. Not good defensively, cant do offense and cant PK. He's only good for hitting consistently but not hard and the occasional fight.
http://www.hockey-reference.com/players/g/greenco01.html
My Gawd, give me 4th liners that can produce at a 0.40-0.54 pace any day of the week. That's what Coling Greening has done all the time prior to last year, even without Spezza.
IMO, this debate is a good example that shows who base their opinion on HF perceptions.
All that being said, I'm in the crowd that badly hope we trade him.
meh. Big negative about Greening is the contract. Makes him hard to move. Guys like him are a dime a dozen at this level.
He's basically just a placeholder until the kids force themselves onto the roster.
The bad part is we may have to eat his contract if we can't trade him when the time comes....but even Eugene should be able to afford that.
Best way to describe guys like Greening and Condra. Remember when they first made the team, our prospect still wasn't built up, mainly drafted/traded D-men with upside (Karlsson, Cowen, Wiercioch, Rundblad). We had not much depth when we started the rebuild.
omg, some people will moan about everything. Whats a good salary for Greening like a million less? give me a break. You will never be happy if you nitpick to such an extent. especially when its all predicated on some mystical internal cap value
This. Exactly. Imagine if people do that in real life... Sad thing is that some people do.