Speculation: Offseason Thread #16: Kevin Hayes: A True Friend (mod post #547)

[Leetch3]

a huge factor in the depth charts, imo, is going to be who can kill penalties. the PK absolutely killed us last year. we right now are likely going to have 8-9 guys competing for the 4th line. guys from that group that are good on the pk go to the front of that list

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

a huge factor in the depth charts, imo, is going to be who can kill penalties. the PK absolutely killed us last year. we right now are likely going to have 8-9 guys competing for the 4th line. guys from that group that are good on the pk go to the front of that list

That should only be for the 4th line. Grabner and Jooris are good penalty killers, and probably have spots either way. Gerbe is a good PK'er. Fast is a bad PK'er. Lindberg doesn't PK. I don't think Jensen does either. Glass is a bad PK'er and bad hockey player.

Unless a trade happens, I don't really see where Pirri fits in the lineup. Maybe 13th forward. He's not a 4th liner, and the top 9 spots are filled.

 

[Leetch3]

That should only be for the 4th line. Grabner and Jooris are good penalty killers, and probably have spots either way. Gerbe is a good PK'er. Fast is a bad PK'er. Lindberg doesn't PK. I don't think Jensen does either. Glass is a bad PK'er and bad hockey player.

Unless a trade happens, I don't really see where Pirri fits in the lineup. Maybe 13th forward. He's not a 4th liner, and the top 9 spots are filled.

yeah i'm talking just the 4th line after the top 9 is set.

 

[Gardner McKay]

That should only be for the 4th line. Grabner and Jooris are good penalty killers, and probably have spots either way. Gerbe is a good PK'er. Fast is a bad PK'er. Lindberg doesn't PK. I don't think Jensen does either. Glass is a bad PK'er and bad hockey player.

Unless a trade happens, I don't really see where Pirri fits in the lineup. Maybe 13th forward. He's not a 4th liner, and the top 9 spots are filled.

This is a question I asked a while ago. Still not sure about it either. Was Fast a bad PK'er because he is bad or was he bad because he was a rookie and our penalty kill as a whole was complete crap?

 

[hi]

Stepan
Nash
Zibanejad
Jooris
Grabner
Gerbe

Maybe Lindberg when he returns.

How many more forwards do you need for the PK?

 

[Vitto79]

Stepan
Nash
Zibanejad
Jooris
Grabner
Gerbe

Maybe Lindberg when he returns.

How many more forwards do you need for the PK?

Jooris and/or gerbe will hit the minors IMO. One will make it w Lindberg hurt but not for long

Buch needs a good camp or he could start down

 

[we want cup]

This is a question I asked a while ago. Still not sure about it either. Was Fast a bad PK'er because he is bad or was he bad because he was a rookie and our penalty kill as a whole was complete crap?

I liked Fast on the PK. But I like Fast better than a lot of other people around here generally, so I'm sure others will disagree. It sure seemed as though the defense was the most consistent problem on the PK. Maybe the forwards sucking made that look worse than it was?

 

[we want cup]

I'd like to see them try to teach Kreider to PK a bit. Put him out against teams that are susceptible to shorthanded goals, or when we're losing. No reason he couldn't learn, and it would make his offensive inconsistency a bit easier to swallow.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

This is a question I asked a while ago. Still not sure about it either. Was Fast a bad PK'er because he is bad or was he bad because he was a rookie and our penalty kill as a whole was complete crap?

His stats are not that great. Worst on the Rangers in CF% on the PK, 3rd worst in GA60 on the PK.

But as you said, he was a rookie playing on the PK. I don't want to judge him based on the numbers during his rookie season where our PK as a whole was 27th in the league.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

If, I mean if, Buch doesn't make the team out of camp, does he have a clause that allows him to return to Russia?

 

[Mikos87]

I'd like to see them try to teach Kreider to PK a bit. Put him out against teams that are susceptible to shorthanded goals, or when we're losing. No reason he couldn't learn, and it would make his offensive inconsistency a bit easier to swallow.

This is something I never understood. Why Can't Chris Kill Penalties?

Why didn't anyone here, ever hold Chris accountable for not killing penalties.

If you look at the best advanced start penalty killers in the league (Carlos Hagelin, Drew Cogliano).... they have something in common.

Speed.

And.

Effort.

So Why Can't Chris Kill Penalties?

 

[member 116805]

This is something I never understood. Why Can't Chris Kill Penalties?

Why didn't anyone here, ever hold Chris accountable for not killing penalties.

If you look at the best advanced start penalty killers in the league (Carlos Hagelin, Drew Cogliano).... they have something in common.

Speed.

And.

Effort.

So Why Can't Chris Kill Penalties?

I think you might have answered your own question

 

[Mikos87]

I think you might have answered your own question

It was an exercise in rhetoric.

 

[Mr Clutch]

This is something I never understood. Why Can't Chris Kill Penalties?

Why didn't anyone here, ever hold Chris accountable for not killing penalties.

If you look at the best advanced start penalty killers in the league (Carlos Hagelin, Drew Cogliano).... they have something in common.

Speed.

And.

Effort.

So Why Can't Chris Kill Penalties?

Haha love it

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

This is something I never understood. Why Can't Chris Kill Penalties?

Why didn't anyone here, ever hold Chris accountable for not killing penalties.

If you look at the best advanced start penalty killers in the league (Carlos Hagelin, Drew Cogliano).... they have something in common.

Speed.

And.

Effort.

So Why Can't Chris Kill Penalties?

Second part is missing

Edit: really slow on the trigger today

 

[Vinny DeAngelo]

I think you might have answered your own question

Bingo! Kreider shouldn't even see PP time until he shows he can bring an consistent effort and stand in front of the goalie.. Not off to the side

 

[Gospel of Prospal]

Would you do JT Miller and McIlrath for Trouba extended?



No, that's not inside information. That's just me throwing out a proposal that I think is fair for both sides.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Would you do JT Miller and McIlrath for Trouba extended?



No, that's not inside information. That's just me throwing out a proposal that I think is fair for both sides.

In a heart beat.

 

[wafflepadsave]

This is something I never understood. Why Can't Chris Kill Penalties?

Why didn't anyone here, ever hold Chris accountable for not killing penalties.

If you look at the best advanced start penalty killers in the league (Carlos Hagelin, Drew Cogliano).... they have something in common.

Speed.

And.

Effort.

So Why Can't Chris Kill Penalties?

Lack of effort and hockey sense

 

[Vinny DeAngelo]

Would you do JT Miller and McIlrath for Trouba extended?



No, that's not inside information. That's just me throwing out a proposal that I think is fair for both sides.

Yes.. I wouldn't do much more either...

 

[Trxjw]

Would you do JT Miller and McIlrath for Trouba extended?



No, that's not inside information. That's just me throwing out a proposal that I think is fair for both sides.

Yup. But it doesn't help Winnipeg at all. They're loaded with wingers.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

If Gorton can get Trouba I will erect a statue of him in front of MSG. Would easily be one of this team's best ever off seasons.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Yup. But it doesn't help Winnipeg at all. They're loaded with wingers.

Though Miller CAN play center, despite the fact that AV has determined he's better on the wing.

I come back to my earlier proposal of Staal + McIlrath + their choice of goalie prospects. Solid LD addressing one of their big needs, a cheap replacement for what would have been an extremely expensive 3rd pair RD - both of whom are hometown boys, signed and under team control - plus a prospect from the Rangers' greatest organizational area of strength which also happens to be their greatest organizational weakness... Maybe throw in one of our non-marquee forwards from this glut we've built up (say, the injured Lindberg, who after all, is not a wing)...?

If you look past the traditional HF bias towards shiny prospects, it makes a lot of sense as a package for a guy who's becoming a headache despite never having scored more than 29 points, and has trended down (scoring-wise) each of his three years in the league.

 

[NYR Viper]

I think it's either Nash or something small like Fast for a young defenseman who is on the cusp but blocked in his current situation. Puck mover

 

[Jabroni]

Really happy with the way this offseason has gone, especially the mentality shown. Just in these last few months we have a completely different look.

Another trade to shed some salary and bring in a solid young D-man would be icing on the cake.