pretty sure that Steen and Pietrangelo wore the As last year...shattenkirk gets one after Pietrangelo was named C
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pretty sure that Steen and Pietrangelo wore the As last year...shattenkirk gets one after Pietrangelo was named C
Brooklyn Rangers Fan
Change is good.
BTW, in addition to teasing us with that little bit at the end there, you dog, I believe you have a minor mistake in the draft picks. Should be that we have our 7th in 2017, but NOT in 2018. (I checked both General Fanager and CapFriendly to confirm.)
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silverfish
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DanielBrassard
It's all so tiresome
silverfish
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She is going to torch the NWHL next season. It's not going to be fair. I can't wait.
You know, I think maybe he learned a lesson entering last season with zero depth. Or maybe that was just me with my "agenda" against him?..
We are supposed to be a contender, and people are worried about players like Fast, Pirri and Gerbe competing for a spot. This is how it should, must, be. It's 2016, you cannot enter a season with 11 capable NHL forwards (of which 1 is a rookie) and zero depth. Gorton made a huge blunder last year, I love that he has learned from it.
And for the record, I think he has had a very good off-season. But, I think it was a big mistake to let Yandle walk. People said the same thing when Stralman was wasted as they are saying now about Yandle. He wasn't any good, he wasn't worth it. We can't pay everyone. You always have choices. But at least besides that I think Gorton has done a lot of good this summer, last summer was a complete disaster for him.
Gardner McKay
RIP, Jimmy.
You know, I think maybe he learned a lesson entering last season with zero depth. Or maybe that was just me with my "agenda" against him?..
We are supposed to be a contender, and people are worried about players like Fast, Pirri and Gerbe competing for a spot. This is how it should, must, be. It's 2016, you cannot enter a season with 11 capable NHL forwards (of which 1 is a rookie) and zero depth. Gorton made a huge blunder last year, I love that he has learned from it.
And for the record, I think he has had a very good off-season. But, I think it was a big mistake to let Yandle walk. People said the same thing when Stralman was wasted as they are saying now about Yandle. He wasn't any good, he wasn't worth it. We can't pay everyone. You always have choices. But at least besides that I think Gorton has done a lot of good this summer, last summer was a complete disaster for him.
Gorton had no choice. How could we afford Yandle? Pull a Florida and trade Girardi + Skjei to Arizona?
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I don't think depth on the 4th line is a "huge mistake"
Rangers had enough "depth" last year to send Glass to Hartford to start the year. Just turns out a lot of their players didn't play well. Same thing could happen this year. Maybe Jooris actually sucks, maybe Gerbe is finished, maybe Grabner has turned into Rico Fata.
Rangers had enough "depth" last year to send Glass to Hartford to start the year. Just turns out a lot of their players didn't play well. Same thing could happen this year. Maybe Jooris actually sucks, maybe Gerbe is finished, maybe Grabner has turned into Rico Fata.
Brooklyn Rangers Fan
Change is good.
You know, I think maybe he learned a lesson entering last season with zero depth. Or maybe that was just me with my "agenda" against him?..
We are supposed to be a contender, and people are worried about players like Fast, Pirri and Gerbe competing for a spot. This is how it should, must, be. It's 2016, you cannot enter a season with 11 capable NHL forwards (of which 1 is a rookie) and zero depth. Gorton made a huge blunder last year, I love that he has learned from it.
And for the record, I think he has had a very good off-season. But, I think it was a big mistake to let Yandle walk. People said the same thing when Stralman was wasted as they are saying now about Yandle. He wasn't any good, he wasn't worth it. We can't pay everyone. You always have choices. But at least besides that I think Gorton has done a lot of good this summer, last summer was a complete disaster for him.
The thing is, Ola, they have crazy depth even if they trade several forwards. There are EIGHTEEN guys (one of whom is injured) who realistically have a claim on an NHL roster spot. Trade two of them, and that's still a full squad + 2 extras + Glass + Lindberg (+ any of Kovacs/Stromwall/Tambo/Nieves/Fogarty that surprise).
(Also, we'll have to agree to disagree about Yandle.)
silverfish
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If we bought out Girardi and didn't trade for Holden, we could've had Yandle in the mix.
Irishguy42
Mr. Preachy
Yes. As long as they meet other criteria, like two full pro years of hockey and whatnot.
Gardner McKay
RIP, Jimmy.
True. What if Buch actually does need some AHL seasoning? What if Vesey is a complete and utter bust?
I still believe a move is likely but insurance is never a bad thing. However, I dont believe they signed Hrivik just to stick him back in the AHL for an entire season. They intend on getting some of these guys NHL time.
Irishguy42
Mr. Preachy
We could have.
But I've been thinking. If they reportedly don't want to give Shattenkirk a big extension, why would they want to give one to Yandle? Both are going to have similar deals. And if Shattenkirk is too expensive for them, which is Yandle cheaper?
Maybe Gorton wants to try and go for a younger defense. One that doesn't need to be paid that much. An RFA.
Just spitballin' here. I'm probably not right, but it just had me thinking.
silverfish
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We could have.
But I've been thinking. If they reportedly don't want to give Shattenkirk a big extension, why would they want to give one to Yandle? Both are going to have similar deals. And if Shattenkirk is too expensive for them, which is Yandle cheaper?
Maybe Gorton wants to try and go for a younger defense. One that doesn't need to be paid that much. An RFA.
Just spitballin' here. I'm probably not right, but it just had me thinking.
Yeah, I'm not necessarily in a boat in the Yandle debate. Whether or not we should've moved mountains to keep him or whether it was okay to let him go.
I'm ready to wait to see what the defense looks like on October 13th.
Gardner McKay
RIP, Jimmy.
IMO they don't have "crazy" depth if you want to ice a real good team.
Grabner, Fast, Gerbe, Jooris...I don't want to see those guys on the 3rd line this season. Pirri I can see on the 3rd line as a shooter, but the others? Not so much. I currently see it like:
Kreider-Stepan-Nash
Miller-Zibs-Zucc
Vesey-Hayes-Buch
Pirri/Fast-Jooris-Grabner/Gerbe
Glass
Hrivik
etc
trade one of those wingers and everyone bumps up a line...let's assume Nash is traded and a forward doesn't come back, we now look at (for arguments sake)
Kreider-Stepan-Buch
Miller-Zibs-Zucc
Vesey-Hayes-Pirri
Fast-Jooris-Grabner/Gerbe
Cool, we still have a good deep lineup though we're still looking at 2 rookies in the lineup (I Just put Buch up on the first line for whatever reason)
Trade one more players, say Zucc, and suddenly you've got Pirri playing on the 2nd line and Graber, Fast, or Gerbe on the 3rd and the scoring depth is looking a lot thinner for a team that has to rely on scoring depth to be successful
That's assuming no forwards coming back...never know, maybe someone does, but I think trading two top forwards and pushing the other guys up the lineup makes for a much weaker forward group right now
they DO NOT want Staal
No.
McD + for Trouba +
Zuc for Theodore -- yes BUT INSTEAD
Trouba, possibly keep, more likely a package to Buf
big deal pieces include
Sens 2nd to Buf
Sabes 1st to NY
Kane for Staal (we win cause no NMC)
Reinhart for Trouba
overpayment is Zucca + to get the above but it is worth it.
Need the McIl, not accommodating AV.
He's one of few here who can enforce.
Hayes is a C, we need to keep cause Stepan WILL go.
besides, he just got us Vesey!
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that is the ONLY deal they accept
BBKers
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That's one option (I actually kind of like that one).
And, it's not impossible to move contracts. What type of picks would we have gotten if we traded Kreider or Zucc for picks/kids? Something at least.
I really don't like icing a team right now that isn't good at moving the puck from the back end. It hurts you on so many levels. And sure, it's not easy. But Gorton is the GM of a pro team in NYC that is supposed to be a contender. Who said it was going to be easy? Just saying, you make your own bed.
But besides that, I do think Gorton has done a lot of good this summer. Maybe he needed a summer to establish contacts, get warm in his cloths etc....
haohmaru
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Brooklyn Rangers Fan
Change is good.
Was playing with the forward lineups and saw the same thing - but that's assuming two things:
1) The team is truly trying to compete for the cup this year and isn't willing to view it as a 1-year turnaround. Because if they do see it as a turnaround year, you could theoretically trade both Nash and Zucc and live with an offense that's 15-20th in the league. In which case, you're counting on Buch & Vesey to step it up such that they can be counted on as legit top 6 players in 2017-2018 (and/or bring in one more top-6er next offseason and/or another player surprises and/or one of the pieces they get back is someone who could be ready to play top-6 the following year).
2) The two forwards moved are Nash and Zucc. They certainly make the most sense to me, but I can also see them moving a Miller or a Fast (or who knows - even a Tanner Glass!) in addition to one of the older scorers.
Also, they could hang on to one of Zucc or Nash until later in the season giving the other players a chance to break out first. (And, as you say, there could be a forward coming back.)
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