Ok so who do we trade now? Whats everyone thinking?
will try to tweak my last big scenario. The Vesy adds strengthens it.
Why is Vesey a precursor to a trade?
Extra bodies, need to move cap, if possible NMCs and....
No, actually, it's because BBKers, a vetted insider on the board continues to reiterate that his sources have told him that if the Rangers do sign Vesey, expect a few more resulting moves. It's no secret that Nash has been available since the end of the season, and given that Gorton had no compunction moving Brassard for Zibanejad, it's not a stretch to think if the same type of offer was presented for Zucc, he'd make a similar move. Then there's the need for a quality partner for McDonagh. Given the depth Gorton has accumulated this off-season, it more than allows for the opportunity to make a deal from depth for a much-needed upgrade on D. And, it wasn't HF that came out and said that the Rangers were going to get younger. That was the Ranger front office, duly noted in a season-ending article by Larry Brooks, which explained that the only players who are off-limits are Henke, Buch and Skjei.
Hail BBKers!
Good guy, he deserves it.
shoot really look into moving McD for Trouba in some sort of deal if they truly believe skiej is ready for big minutes. then sign shattenkirk in the off season. run a top 4 of skiej-trouba staal-shattenkirk n pry they could dump girardi on someone. then hopefully next year third pairing is graves-mcilwrath.
trying to make that happen and get us two upgraded good picks. will repost later
i wouldnt trade mcd for trouba....why would you do that trade? MCD>>>>Trouba
Sorry, wrong. In a vacuum, younger Trouba, less wear and tear and high potential is >>> McD. However, add contract and need of Jets to balance on LD, and we can
upgrade 2 picks.
No idea what BBKers said, but I'm not sold by anyone on a message board (though I do like BBKers as a poster).
The Rangers were entertaining offers for Nash, but that was before Brassard was dealt. I don't think they're interested in systematically dismantling this team and removing all of its veteran scoring prowess, 3 zone play, and leadership. They got an offer for Brassard, got a young player close to Brassard in points and a nice pick. I understand that trade. But it ends there! That was the deal that came along, and in my opinion...it's over.
We have gotten younger. No more Dom Moore, no more Stalberg, no more Brassard. We're bringing on Buch & Vesey & Mika. Now is the time to stop. No need for overkill or we'll be on the outside looking in when it comes to the Playoffs.
Apparently you haven't learned.
Still in win now mode.
We were not good enough.
I like our improvements, but MORE is needed.
become part of the solution, not the problem
lead, follow, or get out of the way.
Would Minnesota do Spurgeon for Miller+Klein.
No way, right?
No way, WE do not want. Horrible value for NYR.
Back from vacation today.
I was hoping to see news that Vesey signed with the Rangers upon landing. He can probably step into the bottom six to start the season, but has the potential to be a 2nd line forward. He costed nothing but money. I like that he seems to be more of a scorer. No complaints from me, but it wouldn't have disappointed me if he went somewhere other than Boston, NJ, or the Islanders, because **** those guys.
I said this when the news broke, but there has to be a move coming. My thinking is that Nash, Zuccarello, and Fast are trade bait. I don't like the idea of losing another righty from the forward corps, but Nash or Zucc and Fast could land a legitimate top 4 RHD.
Who's available? I can see Trouba being available, though Winnipeg would almost assuredly ask for Skjei as part of a package in return, and Cheveldayoff is a stubborn ass to deal with in trades. I could even see Dougie Hamilton out of Calgary being available. Not sure they and the Rangers make good trading partners though.
Anaheim has to be the dancing partner here. They have too many great defensemen for too few spots. Montour and Theodore are both NHL ready. No team would pay a king's ransom for a kid that hasn't hit NHL ice yet. They would be a part of a package deal for an upgrade on the wings. Anaheim wants to upgrade their top 6 wingers, the Rangers have some that may be for sale.
I thought Kreider was a gloved fit for Anaheim's system, but it appears that the Rangers are committed to hoping that he turns a corner. Nash and Zuccarello are both excellent fits in Anaheim, despite the insistence of their fanbase. Silverfish may be onto something with Josh Manson. One of the NHL's best kept secrets. Advanced metrics through the roof.
Could the Rangers talk Anaheim into coughing up Manson AND Theodore if they give them Zuccarello, Fast, and a prospect not named Skjei or Buchnevich?
1. welcome back
2. no on giving up the younger McD (Skjei) when they will take the comparatively older McD
3. Concur on not moving Kreider. Kreider at 4.5 ish is keeper, Stepan will be ULTIMATELY replaced by younger Vesey (same type); at 6.5 w/pending NMC Stepan should be dealt.
4. Shrewd of you to bypass Montour after mentioning him. He would NOT be expansion draft exempt, which is HUGE.
5. Not optimistic any deal we'd be comfortable with can be had w/Ana but we should keep an open mind.
6. We have one shot when trading Zuc and Stepan. We should do all we can to
a) move NMCs Staal/Girardi
b) obtain exempt assets -- young prospects/picks --- so by using such futures we do not swap out guys that we will lose - or lose other valued assets - 'cause it is difficult to protect everybody.
If we do all THAT, we can not only challenge to the point of compete now, but set up to kick ass and dominate later.
