jaric1862
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This tourney is just a Liljergen viewing party for the leafs.
I'd rather keep my eye on Andersen playing, great trade.There is a 3rd & main reason C) your amateur scouting is not finding talent beyond the 1st round of the draft and your drafting strategies.
Hunter has been drafting overagers (players passed over in previous drafts and already 19-20 at draft time making them ineligible for WJC and U-19 tournaments.
Case in point Yegor Korshkov taken with a 2nd round pick #31 overall in 2016 but already too old to play in the tournament and playing the KHL.
Players drafted after Korshkov like #35 Jordan Kyrou (ST Louis), #49 Carter Hart (Philly) and #51 Kale Clegue (LA) are 3 examples on Team Canada alone who are likely going to be Canada's #1 forward, #1 goalie and potentially best Dman in this tournament.
Then you have winning NOW strategies by Leafs where they trade 1st #30 OA (Sam Steel) WHL player of the year and scoring sensation and 2nd rounder #50 (Maxime Comtois) to Anaheim for Freddy Andersen. Sam Steel (66 games 50-81-131 points) will be a big part of team Canada and both the picks surrendered are on team Canada this WJC.
So Leafs drafting and dealing away of high picks is at the root of lack of representation by Leafs in this tournament.
Keep an eye on these players above that Leafs passed on or picks traded away that will be stars for Team Canada this tournament.
I'd rather keep my eye on Andersen playing, great trade.
Yes, I'm more concerned with the Leafs than I am with Steel or the Ducks.Its the cost of doing business, and a result of previous poor drafting and trades that forces a GM to deal high picks for instant help.
Freddy is doing his part and helping the Leafs, but it did cost the Leafs a prospect that scores at the level of Marner in junior and a reason Leafs lack high-end young prospects in junior hockey and WJC participants in part.
Sam Steel - C - 6-0/180 lbs (draft year +1)
2016-17 Regina Pats - WHL .. 66 games 50 goals 81 assists 131 points
vs.
Mitch Marner - C/RW - 6-0/175lbs (draft year +1)
2015-16 London Knights - OHL 57 games 39 goals 77 assists 116 points
Sam Steel is likely going be among the scoring leaders of the WJC, but the Leafs would be dead in the water without Freddy right now.
However if you trade away 1st and 2nd round picks it will impact your prospect pool and future and helps explain Leafs lack of prospects in this tournament. Which was my initial point.
Yes, I'm more concerned with the Leafs than I am with Steel or the Ducks.
I'm sure you remember the years when the Leafs had a ton of players there. Where did that get them?
Yet, Steel's numbers have massively regressed this year. Making last years numbers look like an aberration. That's before getting into the predictive value of scoring from each CHL league. Sam Steel's numbers when age and league adjusted aren't particularly great.Its the cost of doing business, and a result of previous poor drafting and trades that forces a GM to deal high picks for instant help.
Freddy is doing his part and helping the Leafs, but it did cost the Leafs a prospect that scores at the level of Marner in junior and a reason Leafs lack high-end young prospects in junior hockey and WJC participants in part.
Sam Steel - C - 6-0/180 lbs (draft year +1)
2016-17 Regina Pats - WHL .. 66 games 50 goals 81 assists 131 points
vs.
Mitch Marner - C/RW - 6-0/175lbs (draft year +1)
2015-16 London Knights - OHL 57 games 39 goals 77 assists 116 points
Sam Steel is likely going be among the scoring leaders of the WJC, but the Leafs would be dead in the water without Freddy right now.
However if you trade away 1st and 2nd round picks it will impact your prospect pool and future and helps explain Leafs lack of prospects in this tournament. Which was my initial point.
There is a 3rd & main reason C) your amateur scouting is not finding talent beyond the 1st round of the draft and your drafting strategies.
Hunter has been drafting overagers (players passed over in previous drafts and already 19-20 at draft time making them ineligible for WJC and U-19 tournaments.
Case in point Yegor Korshkov taken with a 2nd round pick #31 overall in 2016 but already too old to play in the tournament and playing the KHL.
Players drafted after Korshkov like #35 Jordan Kyrou (ST Louis), #49 Carter Hart (Philly) and #51 Kale Clegue (LA) are 3 examples on Team Canada alone who are likely going to be Canada's #1 forward, #1 goalie and potentially best Dman in this tournament.
Then you have winning NOW strategies by Leafs where they trade 1st #30 OA (Sam Steel) WHL player of the year and scoring sensation and 2nd rounder #50 (Maxime Comtois) to Anaheim for Freddy Andersen. Sam Steel (66 games 50-81-131 points) will be a big part of team Canada and both the picks surrendered are on team Canada this WJC.
So Leafs drafting and dealing away of high picks is at the root of lack of representation by Leafs in this tournament.
Keep an eye on these players above that Leafs passed on or picks traded away that will be stars for Team Canada this tournament.
This post seems to deceptively make digs at the Leafs management, plenty of players "star" for team Canada and others and do very little in the NHL. Sam Steel was passed over quite a bit and no I wouldn't not do the Freddy Anderson deal because of him scoring in junior.
There is a 3rd & main reason C) your amateur scouting is not finding talent beyond the 1st round of the draft and your drafting strategies.
Hunter has been drafting overagers (players passed over in previous drafts and already 19-20 at draft time making them ineligible for WJC and U-19 tournaments.
Case in point Yegor Korshkov taken with a 2nd round pick #31 overall in 2016 but already too old to play in the tournament and playing the KHL.
Players drafted after Korshkov like #35 Jordan Kyrou (ST Louis), #49 Carter Hart (Philly) and #51 Kale Clegue (LA) are 3 examples on Team Canada alone who are likely going to be Canada's #1 forward, #1 goalie and potentially best Dman in this tournament.
Then you have winning NOW strategies by Leafs where they trade 1st #30 OA (Sam Steel) WHL player of the year and scoring sensation and 2nd rounder #50 (Maxime Comtois) to Anaheim for Freddy Andersen. Sam Steel (66 games 50-81-131 points) will be a big part of team Canada and both the picks surrendered are on team Canada this WJC.
So Leafs drafting and dealing away of high picks is at the root of lack of representation by Leafs in this tournament.
Keep an eye on these players above that Leafs passed on or picks traded away that will be stars for Team Canada this tournament.
Yes, I'm more concerned with the Leafs than I am with Steel or the Ducks.
I'm sure you remember the years when the Leafs had a ton of players there. Where did that get them?
Its the cost of doing business, and a result of previous poor drafting and trades that forces a GM to deal high picks for instant help.
Freddy is doing his part and helping the Leafs, but it did cost the Leafs a prospect that scores at the level of Marner in junior and a reason Leafs lack high-end young prospects in junior hockey and WJC participants in part.
Sam Steel - C - 6-0/180 lbs (draft year +1)
2016-17 Regina Pats - WHL .. 66 games 50 goals 81 assists 131 points
vs.
Mitch Marner - C/RW - 6-0/175lbs (draft year +1)
2015-16 London Knights - OHL 57 games 39 goals 77 assists 116 points
Sam Steel is likely going be among the scoring leaders of the WJC, but the Leafs would be dead in the water without Freddy right now.
However if you trade away 1st and 2nd round picks it will impact your prospect pool and future and helps explain Leafs lack of prospects in this tournament. Which was my initial point.
Picking Greenway a full round before Mete was something I knew would be such a mistake.
Then to make it even worst, they picked him before our Middleton pick.
Ouch
You can't win without a starting goalie in the NHL so Lou Lam had to pay future for the present. He did the same in NJ when it cost him Bo Horvath to get Cory Schneider. Rock and Hard place !!!
In terms of Sam Steel, Hockey Canada is not only having him here for the WJC, but also trying to negotiate with CHL for his release for Canada to play at the Olympics them also.
Future will tell how this all plays out for Leafs, Ducks as a result of this trade.
Trading away picks is one reason for lack of WJC top end prospects, but also drafting as well.
You really do love cheering on anything that could be negatively viewed for the Leafs don’t you?
Hey now, don't sleep on Justin Pogge, Kyle Welwood, Carlo Colaiacovo and Ian White just yet. I've got a feeling they'll come through for us any day now...
If Liljegren gets paired with Dahlin he has a good chance to be one of the best dman in the tourney.
I know someone just hates Mark Hunter, but they have the most simplistic way at looking at things.
It's not about who represents a team at the WJC, it's who is best for your NHL team that matters.
I've seen Hunter picks already have strong WJC tournaments:
Dermott
Bracco
Dzierkals
Timashov
Woll
Grundstrom
Korshkov(drafted after his WJC final year)
I just want to see how these guys translate to pros, some have done greatly so far and have lot of promise, that's all that matters.
We'll know the answers in a few years, but who represents this team at the WJC doesn't mean a whole lot, the only thing that matters is how they make your NHL roster better.
Fans shouldn't get upset if "their" NHL team doesn't have as many prospects in the game as they want. Players are drafted for NHL potential not junior or AHL potential.