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Official 9th Baseball ATD Discussion Thread Part II

UL Washington

UL Washington

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The voting is all over the map for the NL.

I have 9 votes in so far.

One particular team has received three top 2 votes and three last place votes.
 
Winger for Hire

Winger for Hire

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UL Washington said:
One particular team has received three top 2 votes and three last place votes.
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bluesfan94

bluesfan94

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Winger for Hire said:
Your (starting) pitchers are going to be shocked to see a black man or a Latino stroll up to the plate to swing. Also, you don't have a single Cy Young winner on your staff.

Just sayin', not hatin'
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I'm guessing most of them barnstormed so it won't be a big deal, but I'll go look for facts saying such. Also, Chief Bender was full Native American so I don't think they're gonna be too shocked.

The Cy Young stat is ******** and you know it. :laugh: This guy did a comprehensive survey to give retroactive Cy Youngs prior to 1957 (or was it 56?).

The results? Lefty Grove would have 9 and Christy Mathewson 8.

Now, I don't think this is the end all be all of analysis, and I actually disagree with him at times, it shows how dominate they were.
darko said:
Yours is better but i do find Walsh overrated.

Between us we have 4 of the top-5 pitchers of all time IMO.
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Why? He has a tiny ERA and FIP and WHIP. He lead the league in strikeouts a couple of times. He also finished second in MVP voting twice. Seems to be a pretty damn good. In the aforementioned analysis, Walsh won two CYA, but I think he could have won more
 
Winger for Hire

Winger for Hire

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FYI- Chief Bender is 1) the best name for a pitcher ever (100000x better than Homer Bailey), 2) is going to be a new character in Futurama, 3) would be even better if he didn't throw a curveball.
 
Say Hey Kid

Say Hey Kid

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1. MLB Randy Johnson 618 4,135.3 303 166 2 1,703 1,513 411 190 254 .291 3.29 1.17 3.26 3.18 -0.40 146.97 2.44 63 147.37
2. MLB Roger Clemens 709 4,916.7 354 184 0 1,885 1,707 363 159 332 .284 3.12 1.17 2.96 3.12 2.38 147.87 2.97 77 145.49
3. MLB Greg Maddux 744 5,008.3 355 227 0 1,981 1,756 353 137 425 .281 3.16 1.14 3.37 3.21 23.46 155.80 3.27 82 132.34
4. MLB Nolan Ryan 807 5,386.0 324 292 3 2,178 1,911 321 158 319 .265 3.19 1.25 2.04 2.98 -3.83 126.39 2.90 82 130.22
5. MLB Bert Blyleven 692 4,970.0 287 250 0 2,029 1,830 430 155 399 .282 3.31 1.20 2.80 3.18 -1.18 117.78 2.93 82 118.96
6. MLB Tom Seaver 656 4,783.0 311 205 1 1,674 1,521 380 76 319 .259 2.86 1.12 2.62 3.09 8.18 118.99 2.88 82 110.81
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http://www.baseballprospectus.com/sortable/index.php?cid=1846703

No stat is perfect but Blyleven had a better career than Seaver? idk :help:
 
NJDevs26

NJDevs26

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Winger for Hire said:
Well, in case anyone else was interested... it's a lot simpler than it seems. Excel is my best friend.

I rated all teams in the 6 main categories (Lineup-Rotation-Bench-Bullpen-Defense-Manager) on a 1-10 scale (10 = perfect; 1 = John Russell level dumpster fire; using all numbers between- 5.5, 7.25, etc- to try to avoid ties and to add some nuance to the rankings).

Then I decided how much weight I was going to have each category have. I settled on 30%, each, for Lineup and Rotation, 10% for Defense, 15% for Bullpen, 11% for Bench, and 4% for Manager. Then made a formula to do the math for me.
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I think this is generally fair but I just find it basically impossible to rate defense unless it's A) someone really out of position or B) someone I actually saw like Ozzie Smith, especially since some of the defensive stats are pretty faulty re: the Alomar and Winfield talk earlier this thread, and I also don't think there's a real difference in any of the managers - maybe McCarthy I'd put a slight notch above the other fine HOF'ers and current great managers selected but I don't know how much even that really moves the needle. That's why for the most part I left those two categories out of my rankings though I'd have used D as more of a tiebreaker if it came to it and probably will look at it more in individual playoff matchups.

And I get what you're saying about trying to be fair in case three or four rotations are really close and you don't want to dock one in a roto scoring but I went through looking up everyone else's players and rankings for quite a while as it was, I would have torn out my hair if I split it that fine :laugh:
 
le_sean

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How am I supposed to rate Quad City? I'm sorry but I'm not going to manually look for his lineup to see his bullpen and missing SP.
 
NJDevs26

NJDevs26

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le_sean said:
How am I supposed to rate Quad City? I'm sorry but I'm not going to manually look for his lineup to see his bullpen and missing SP.
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He's still -2 picks. I thought he had a missing manager and bullpen (presumably). I basically gave him league replacement for both though neither spot technically mattered that much. Probably should have docked him more than I did tbh
 
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