GDT: [Official] 2017 WJC Thread

[Volica]

After 2 Championships in 3 years, Finland might again win their last game of the tournament. What an achievement!

I don't know what the hell has happened.

Well. Those two teams had:
Half of Carolina's top 4 goal scorers this year (NHL).
Likely this years' Calder winner (NHL)
Buffalo's 1D (NHL)

Also, let's not forget what Jesse Puljujarvi did, even though his game hasn't translated to the NHL yet.

 

[Kahvi]

Well. Those two teams had:
Half of Carolina's top 4 goal scorers this year (NHL).
Likely this years' Calder winner (NHL)
Buffalo's 1D (NHL)

Also, let's not forget what Jesse Puljujarvi did, even though his game hasn't translated to the NHL yet.

Finland has been at least ok for years, this is historically bad. They used to grind out at least playoff spot without any highly touted prospects, and this year they still had some good players, at least on paper.

 

[MonyontheMoney]

Well. Those two teams had:
Half of Carolina's top 4 goal scorers this year (NHL).
Likely this years' Calder winner (NHL)
Buffalo's 1D (NHL)

Also, let's not forget what Jesse Puljujarvi did, even though his game hasn't translated to the NHL yet.

This years instalment also had one more draft eligible, and although they are all good prospects, none of them are on the same level as Laine/Puljujarvi/Juolevi were. In a short tournament generally considered one for older players that's pretty big.

 

[Flaming Satan]

I want Hischier in the draft so badly. I would trade Monahan+ 2017 1st to move up to 1st or 2nd.

 

[Volica]

I want Hischier in the draft so badly. I would trade Monahan+ 2017 1st to move up to 1st or 2nd.

I don't know if Hischier is that level of prospect to be honest. He's been good at this WJC and an excellent OHLer... Just not sure if he's one of those guys worth burning the house down for. I'd hate to move Monahan, for another Monahan.

 

[OvermanKingGainer]

I don't know if Hischier is that level of prospect to be honest. He's been good at this WJC and an excellent OHLer... Just not sure if he's one of those guys worth burning the house down for. I'd hate to move Monahan, for another Monahan.

After seeing more of him in the WJC, I'm pretty confident Hischier is going to better than Monahan. Like, AINEC better. And I know, this is HF and prospects are always overhyped until they have to face the rigors of the NHL. But there's a lot of sign that Hishier is going to be a corsi god in the NHL from Day One whereas at this point we're still waiting for Monahan to be average in that respect. USA's coach said it after the Team USA game, the ice was tilted every time he was on the ice, no matter what they threw at him... that was his entire WJC despite playing with arguably the worst supporting cast. I could see a rookie Hischier being on par with a veteran guy like Nazem Kadri, and then the sky is the limit from thereon out. Speed, two-way play, creativity... it's all there. We're gonna dread facing him if he gets drafted into our division.

 

[Volica]

After seeing more of him in the WJC, I'm pretty confident Hischier is going to better than Monahan. Like, AINEC better. And I know, this is HF and prospects are always overhyped until they have to face the rigors of the NHL. But there's a lot of sign that Hishier is going to be a corsi god in the NHL from Day One whereas at this point we're still waiting for Monahan to be average in that respect. USA's coach said it after the Team USA game, the ice was tilted every time he was on the ice, no matter what they threw at him... that was his entire WJC despite playing with arguably the worst supporting cast. I could see a rookie Hischier being on par with a veteran guy like Nazem Kadri, and then the sky is the limit from thereon out. Speed, two-way play, creativity... it's all there. We're gonna dread facing him if he gets drafted into our division.

This is it.
For all of Monahan's short comings in the NHL, his OHL days were very, very impressive. He was lined up against top competitors every night, he scored a lot, he was the all-around Centre for Ottawa. There was a reason some scouts were thinking Toews back then. It just hasn't translated, and I hope to God it does

To be honest, there isn't an 18 year old rookie who comes out of the gate polished like a veteran; then again, who knows. If Calgary just dipped this year (like, tail-spin) where Monahan scored another 4 goals, and continued to struggle away from the puck... then maybe? It's just not a great idea in general to throw a 60 point 20some year old centre and a first round pick at another 1st round pick; with hopes of both exceeding the established centre and the additional 1st. It's bad asset management.

My real hope is that Monahan develops like Johansen. Went from kind of a 'meh' possession player to centring one of the best possession lines in the league.

 

[OvermanKingGainer]

This is it.
For all of Monahan's short comings in the NHL, his OHL days were very, very impressive. He was lined up against top competitors every night, he scored a lot, he was the all-around Centre for Ottawa. There was a reason some scouts were thinking Toews back then. It just hasn't translated, and I hope to God it does

I don't think Monahan's OHL days were that impressive. His Draft year was pretty much most kids' Draft+1 years by age, and skating was always a concern. No one thought Monahan would make the NHL his first year either, whereas a guy like Hischier would probably be expected to play top 6 from day one.

To be honest, there isn't an 18 year old rookie who comes out of the gate polished like a veteran

It's just not a great idea in general to throw a 60 point 20some year old centre and a first round pick at another 1st round pick; with hopes of both exceeding the established centre and the additional 1st. It's bad asset management.

Every case is unique. I don't see there being a one-rule-fits-all. In my opinion gamebreaking talent is more valuable than proven production, risk and all. All-encompassing rules like that might be the safe play but not necessarily the right one. About a year ago people were saying that, if we won the Matthews lotto, trading Monahan for Laine should be a fireable offense. Do they still feel that way?

I guess for me, the veteran that I wouldn't trade for a prospect is Backlund. Losing him would cost our team. Losing a guy like Monahan or even Bennett for an 18 year old with more talent like Hischier would be only a minor setback.

My real hope is that Monahan develops like Johansen. Went from kind of a 'meh' possession player to centring one of the best possession lines in the league.

Jankowski is much more similar to RyJo if that's your hope.

 

[Dack]

Hischier took over the game against the Americans, it was honestly fun to watch. I don't even know who I'd compare him to, he is going to be one of the best skaters in the NHL and he looks so smooth while doing it.

 

[Yung Rotini]

Nobody thought Monahan was going to make the NHL from day one? Are you sure about that?

 

[East Coast Icestyle]

I love Hischier but whoever posted Monahan and a first for him is ridiculous. Gut ourselves of two long term assets for a single one, Nah.

Hischier probably won't play in the NHL next season despite his complete game. If he does, he will be rushed. He needs to add weight and get stronger.

I'm the strongest proponent of him going first overall and if we ever got our hands on him I'd love it, but it'd be a dumb move to try to trade for him if it wasn't trading up three or four spots at most.

 

[Mr Snrub]

Monahan + our 1st for Hischier is some of the silliest **** I've ever seen on this board. If Hischier ended up anywhere short of a true #1C can you imagine having to look back on that trade? Don't waste proven assets on something like that. Any player can bust.

 

[BigRangy]

So I was even more bored than usual and I wanted to see how Kylington did in the game against Slovakia, fancy stats wise.

at 5v5: 29 CF 6 CA 5 iCF 82%CF

all situations: 38 CF 7 CA 9iCF

Talk about a dominant game. I'm super excited for tomorrow.

 

[King In The North]

Nobody thought Monahan was going to make the NHL from day one? Are you sure about that?

You mean like stepping into the NHL right away as opposed to being returned to junior? There were tons of people saying he should go back just to post aesthetically pleasing numbers

 

[Calculon]

Flames wouldn't consider a Monahan for a prospect centre proposal unless it's a McDavid calibre type on the table.

But an equally likely (i.e. virtually impossible) option is the Flames missing the playoffs and then winning one of the lotteries and being in a position to take Hischier. Would then a Monahan trade for a young top four defenceman and a young RHS right winger sound plausible? E.g., the Flames take Hischier then trade Monahan for Hamonic+Strome. Or sign Alzner and trade Monahan for Pastrnak.

Tkachuk-Backlund-Frolik
Gaudreau-Bennett-Strome
Ferland-Hischier-Brouwer
Bouma-Stajan-Hathaway
Chiasson

Giordano-Hamilton
Brodie-Hamonic
Kulak-Somebody
Jokipakka/Wotherspoon

 

[OvermanKingGainer]

So I was even more bored than usual and I wanted to see how Kylington did in the game against Slovakia, fancy stats wise.

at 5v5: 29 CF 6 CA 5 iCF 82%CF

all situations: 38 CF 7 CA 9iCF

Talk about a dominant game. I'm super excited for tomorrow.

Not surprising at all. He was flat out better than anybody else on either team. Honestly as a Flames fan, a Sweden / USA final, with USA winning a 2-1 nailbiter is the best case outcome. Parsons is playing the most important position, so him winning WJC Gold and Memorial Cup seven months apart would be a hell of a resume. Meanwhile Kylington as their leading ice time D needs to get up to PPG and will need three points in the next two games to do it, and outplaying Chabot head to head would be huge.

Dube is a fourth liner on TC and Karnaukhov a third liner for Russia, so their team success is less meaningful. I'm okay with Canada winning Bronze if Calgary's blue chip prospects shine on the grand stage.

 

[Carolinas Identity*]

eat it russia

 

[Ace Rimmer]

eat it russia

In Soviet Russia, it eats you.

 

[Yung Rotini]

You mean like stepping into the NHL right away as opposed to being returned to junior? There were tons of people saying he should go back just to post aesthetically pleasing numbers

Yes, that's what I meant. I remember a lot of talk about him stepping into the league immediately.

 

[Caser]

Not surprising at all. He was flat out better than anybody else on either team. Honestly as a Flames fan, a Sweden / USA final, with USA winning a 2-1 nailbiter is the best case outcome. Parsons is playing the most important position, so him winning WJC Gold and Memorial Cup seven months apart would be a hell of a resume. Meanwhile Kylington as their leading ice time D needs to get up to PPG and will need three points in the next two games to do it, and outplaying Chabot head to head would be huge.

Dube is a fourth liner on TC and Karnaukhov a third liner for Russia, so their team success is less meaningful. I'm okay with Canada winning Bronze if Calgary's blue chip prospects shine on the grand stage.

Karnaukhov played as a second line winger so far though.

 

[InfinityIggy]

I really like Hischier, would be thrilled if the Flames were somehow about to draft him.

Monahan + 1st for him is really unpalatable though in my opinion.

 

[Otzelor]

So I was even more bored than usual and I wanted to see how Kylington did in the game against Slovakia, fancy stats wise.

at 5v5: 29 CF 6 CA 5 iCF 82%CF

all situations: 38 CF 7 CA 9iCF

Talk about a dominant game. I'm super excited for tomorrow.

Would love to watch the game against Canada, but is it worth it staying up until 1:30 am? Just to see the start

 

[Flameshomer]

Monahan + a first for a 17 year old is ok but even whispering the name of Brodie is enough to get you lynched. My god.

 

[Lunatik]

I really like Hischier, would be thrilled if the Flames were somehow about to draft him.

Monahan + 1st for him is really unpalatable though in my opinion.

Not just your opinion, any rational opinion

 

[Calgareee]

Monahan + a first for a 17 year old is ok but even whispering the name of Brodie is enough to get you lynched. My god.

Pretty sure everyone is calling that proposal ludicrous... You don't trade a 30/30 center for magic beans.