Speculation: NYR-EDM Trade?

[bernmeister]

...We can do Strome + 3rd for Grabner. A 2nd is a little too much in a deep draft.

We apparently have general consensus and are moving into the final stages, quibbling.

Strome + 2nd
for
Grabner + 4th + 7th

good enough?

 

[TFHockey]

I think that's pretty reasonable. We never draft in the second round anyways it seems....

 

[ChaoticOrange]

I think that's pretty reasonable. We never draft in the second round anyways it seems....

Not successfully anyway, haha.

 

[Connor]

And I'd say eff any notion of underpaying.
If you don't want Nash, we should still get a 1st for him from SJ or elsewhere, even if NYR adds.

And you conveniently ignored the whole point of my post, that the 1st is conditional, pending these 2 doing 40 goals balance of season. If they deliver, then hell yes, you should pay.

Since Grabner would be provided as a package in that scenario w/conditional add, then pool party or other acceptable is required.

You guys have plenty of cap, but if it's a big deal, we can eat half of Nash in lieu of taking on Fayne.

Show me a comparable trade where a team received a similar play to Nash for a blue chip prospect.

Vanek was traded to Florida for a reclamation project and a 3rd round pick.

 

[bernmeister]

Show me a comparable trade where a team received a similar play to Nash for a blue chip prospect.

Vanek was traded to Florida for a reclamation project and a 3rd round pick.

one will come to me but off top of my head as to a close enough comparable that makes the point,
Vermette < Nash
traded for
1st < blue chip

 

[PatrikOverAuston]

one will come to me but off top of my head as to a close enough comparable that makes the point,
Vermette < Nash
traded for
1st < blue chip

That was quite literally the 30th overall pick. Unless you're about to make the argument that all first rounders are equal, no, those are not comparable at all.

 

[bernmeister]

That was quite literally the 30th overall pick. Unless you're about to make the argument that all first rounders are equal, no, those are not comparable at all.

They are not equal, I am not saying or implying that they are, and I took pains to express that; but they are comparable because they are relative.

Nash is as above Vermette
as
Pulj is above a late 1st.

If that statement is true, they are comparable

 

[PatrikOverAuston]

They are not equal, I am not saying or implying that they are, and I took pains to express that; but they are comparable because they are relative.

Nash is as above Vermette
as
Pulj is above a late 1st.

If that statement is true, they are comparable

Patrick Maroon is above Vermette.

Lias Andersson is above a late 1st.

Thus, you would trade Edmonton Andersson for Maroon. That would have to be the case if you are holding to that logic.

 

[belair]

Teams always scout out other teams before they play them, Probably means nothing and FWIW all Canadian teams are on Rick Nash no trade list.

This has been repeated countlessly as has the idea that Nash may benefit financially from a half season next to Connor McDavid should both parties ultimately be interested. Regardless, if the Oilers were scouting him, they got a good look at him today.

 

[Savant]

McDonagh and Grabner for Klefbom, Puljujarvi and 2018 1st

 

[Shootertooter]

McDonagh and Grabner for Klefbom, Puljujarvi and 2018 1st

I don't think that is enough for top tier d man and a 25+ goal scorer on good contracts. Add a 2nd or a solid prospect

 

[One Winged Angel]

Show me a comparable trade where a team received a similar play to Nash for a blue chip prospect.

Vanek was traded to Florida for a reclamation project and a 3rd round pick.

You're comparing Vanek to Nash? Grasping at straws.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Show me a comparable trade where a team received a similar play to Nash for a blue chip prospect.

Vanek was traded to Florida for a reclamation project and a 3rd round pick.

How is Vanek comparable to Nash?

 

[Savant]

Show me a comparable trade where a team received a similar play to Nash for a blue chip prospect.

Erat for Forsberg, (except Nash is better than Erat ever was). What do I win?

 

[SupremeTeam16]

The notion that the Oilers would consider dealing Puljujarvi for a rental is pretty ridiculous. If they were at all interested in Nash they would move picks for him.

 

[bucks_oil]

I don't think that is enough for top tier d man and a 25+ goal scorer on good contracts. Add a 2nd or a solid prospect

Are Klefbom and McDonagh that far apart in value anymore?

The contract strongly favors Klefbom. Age favor Klefbom. Experience and current play, still in favor of McDonagh, but for how much longer? Klef was a solid top pair on a 103 point team and scored nearly 40 points last year. How much of a gap is there between him and McDonagh really... I mean more than reputation wise. Another season like last and I'd say they are equal... but at that point one still has years on his contract and the other is only signed for one more year.

So then the deal is Pulju and a 1st for Grabner. I think we can all see that would be a hard pass for the Oilers.

 

[Quinnisinoverhishead]

Any trade Gorton makes with Chiarelli is going to be a great trade for New York. Sather already completed his favour for Edmonton by sending Talbot for free.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Any trade Gorton makes with Chiarelli is going to be a great trade for New York. Sather already completed his favour for Edmonton by sending Talbot for free.

Aren't all trades made thinking that they are good for your team? It's not like Sather sat down and thought to himself, "my buddies in Edmonton need a goalie, I'll send them this Talbot guy for nothing". That's what the market demanded at the time and Slats took the best offer he got. Every GM is prone to a misstep or two. Gorton, like all GM's, will make a bad call someday because he mistakenly thinks it is best for the team. Not that I expect to get Nash for nothing.

 

[DaPhazz]

Nah, the other New York team does that. Chia steals starters for pennies from the Rangers.

From that hood, NJ did it pretty good as well

 

[belair]

You're comparing Vanek to Nash? Grasping at straws.

How is Vanek comparable to Nash?

Vanek was traded last season after putting up 15 goals and 38 points and had a $2.6m salary. He was a very productive forward at a very cheap cost. The Panthers bungled the market though and waited too long to trade him.

Nash is on pace for about 40 points and he's carrying a $7.8m salary. Although he's a much more complete player, I don't see the Rangers getting a windfall for him.

 

[haveandare]

Aren't all trades made thinking that they are good for your team? It's not like Sather sat down and thought to himself, "my buddies in Edmonton need a goalie, I'll send them this Talbot guy for nothing". That's what the market demanded at the time and Slats took the best offer he got. Every GM is prone to a misstep or two. Gorton, like all GM's, will make a bad call someday because he mistakenly thinks it is best for the team. Not that I expect to get Nash for nothing.

People keep referencing the Talbot trade as robbery.

Goalies don't get big returns unless they're absolutely top tier goalies who are already established. At the time of the trade, Talbot had played 57 games over 2 seasons, much of them backing up Hank and being given the easier starts.

Rangers got a few middling picks for a largely unproven goalie "prospect" who was 27 years old. It worked out for Edmonton, and that's great, but at the time looking at what went both ways it really wasn't the robbery it's made out to be today.

 

[VainGretzky]

People keep referencing the Talbot trade as robbery.

Goalies don't get big returns unless they're absolutely top tier goalies who are already established. At the time of the trade, Talbot had played 57 games over 2 seasons, much of them backing up Hank and being given the easier starts.

Rangers got a few middling picks for a largely unproven goalie "prospect" who was 27 years old. It worked out for Edmonton, and that's great, but at the time looking at what went both ways it really wasn't the robbery it's made out to be today.

 

[VainGretzky]

People keep referencing the Talbot trade as robbery.

Goalies don't get big returns unless they're absolutely top tier goalies who are already established. At the time of the trade, Talbot had played 57 games over 2 seasons, much of them backing up Hank and being given the easier starts.

Rangers got a few middling picks for a largely unproven goalie "prospect" who was 27 years old. It worked out for Edmonton, and that's great, but at the time looking at what went both ways it really wasn't the robbery it's made out to be today.

Jones got 1st that summer as wellwith Lehner , so there goes your post

 

[ManofSteel55]

Jones got 1st that summer as wellwith Lehner , so there goes your post

Lehner and Jones were both much younger, Lehner had a better pedigree and was considered to be a future star by some, and many felt San Jose overpaid for Jones. Long story short, Talbot was thought of as the "consolation prize" for teams that didn't get Lehner or Jones. Plus, after Jones and Lehner were both dealt that nearly killed the goalie market as few other teams were looking hard for one.

Shrewd GM'ing by Chiarelli in my opinion, not necessarily bad GM'ing by Sather. Slats had a piece that wasn't as in demand, and as such, he didn't get the return that those pieces did.

 

[haveandare]

Jones got 1st that summer as wellwith Lehner , so there goes your post

Lehner, a goalie years younger than Talbot, and with a pretty good draft pedigree by goalie standards, returned the 21st pick.

Jones, also years younger than Talbot, and a prospect went to SJ for the 29th overall pick.

Talbot went to Edmonton with the 209th pick, for the 57th, 79th and 184th pick.

Both of them are years younger than Talbot. Both were traded for late 1sts, and Jones' deal included a prospect.