Proposal: NJD-MTL-CGY @ Draft

[Mackiaveli]

Feel free to roast away but curious what people think about the following:


Habs Receive:
Coronato
Holtz
NJD 2024 1st (11-15)

Devils Receive:
Markstrom (75% retained)

Flames Receive:
WPG 1st 2024
CGY 1st 2025 (they can commit to a rebuild with their pick back)
Ylonen

I understand at its core Holtz + a 1st for Markstrom is probably on the 'overpayment' side but getting a legit #1 goaltender for 2yrs @ 1.5m cap hit has a lot of unspoken value so I felt like it somewhat balanced it out.

I don't think the Holtz + mid 1st offer is enough to get Markstrom from CGY, nor do I think is a slightly retained Markstrom worth those assets - Habs come in as a broker to increase value for CGY and also eat more cap for NJD. They do it because it lets them move up 8-10 slots at the draft and add two more prospects that they can either flip for a bigger asset (Zegras?) or who fit the age group of the current core.

Coronato might be a guy the Flames don't want to move - not sure who makes sense value wise but the Habs will likely want similar value back in trading those picks.

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[Gritty]

Flames will just trade Markstrom solo, keep Coronato, draft in the top 10 next year keeping their own pick, and New Jersey if they still want Markstrom can give a lot less.

The Habs make out like bandits.

 

[HighLifeMan]

Highway robbery for Montreal..

 

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

Seems like too much for NJ to give even with 75% retention. Not sure NJ will care as much about retention now with Vanecek shipped away.

 

[Lockin17]

Feel free to roast away but curious what people think about the following:


Habs Receive:
Coronato
Holtz
NJD 2024 1st (11-15)

Devils Receive:
Markstrom (75% retained)

Flames Receive:
WPG 1st 2024
CGY 1st 2025 (they can commit to a rebuild with their pick back)
Ylonen

I understand at its core Holtz + a 1st for Markstrom is probably on the 'overpayment' side but getting a legit #1 goaltender for 2yrs @ 1.5m cap hit has a lot of unspoken value so I felt like it somewhat balanced it out.

I don't think the Holtz + mid 1st offer is enough to get Markstrom from CGY, nor do I think is a slightly retained Markstrom worth those assets - Habs come in as a broker to increase value for CGY and also eat more cap for NJD. They do it because it lets them move up 8-10 slots at the draft and add two more prospects that they can either flip for a bigger asset (Zegras?) or who fit the age group of the current core.

Coronato might be a guy the Flames don't want to move - not sure who makes sense value wise but the Habs will likely want similar value back in trading those picks.

MTL trade WPG and CGY first + Ylonen for NJ first + 2 freaking good prospect ?? Danm sign me in that's a steal

 

[CraigsList]

If Calgary is retaining 3m for 2 seasons AND giving up Coronato we can do better.

 

[Mackiaveli]

draft in the top 10 next year keeping their own pick,

Please correct me if I am wrong - but this only happens if they get Florida's 2025 1st - which only happens if Florida is not a lottery ball team (meaning they make the playoffs) next year.

If they are, then the pick is deferred to 2026 - in which case the Flames only get to keep their pick if it is 1OA?

New Jersey if they still want Markstrom can give a lot less.

To my understanding, the CGY ownership said they would not trade Markstrom for anything short of a big return - I think what I heard was Mercer or Holtz + their 1st (at this TDL) ... that is without any mention of retention, too.

I am proposing they get the 6m goalie at 75% retained, which helps the cost.

The Habs make out like bandits.

Highway robbery for Montreal..

Yeah, I think Coronato might be a bit too much and it should be a step back prospect wise - Pelletier? Habs make sense as the third team because they can stomach retaining for those two years and they can afford to offload picks.

 

[Puckclektr]

Holtz and 11-15 is more along the lines of what is going to get you Saros.
I think Markstrom is worth more to Calgary than what NJ would offer for a goalie who will turn 35 midway through his first season with the team. NJ has a young core that is going to be a threat for 5-7 years. Why go after a goalie who is 34?
I would offer a second and mid level prospect for Markstrom, which I am sure Calgary would decline or someone else may have a better offer, but I would rather go big and get Saros

No way a 34 year old goalie gets you 11-15 alone, yet you wanna add Holtz?

 

[Mackiaveli]

MTL trade WPG and CGY first + Ylonen for NJ first + 2 freaking good prospect ?? Danm sign me in that's a steal

More like

Markstrom (50% retained) + Coronato for WPG 1st, CGY 1st, Ylonen (Coronato likely an overpay here)

Markstrom (75% retained) for Holtz + 15OA (I understand there is a lot of division on Holtz value; I wouldn't blame people for saying this is an overpayment but I also wouldn't be shocked to see him moved for a late 1st at the draft)

 

[Captain Mountain]

At first glance, it feels like Montreal's only part of this because they get fantastic value and don't need to be involved.

 

[Mackiaveli]

Holtz and 11-15 is more along the lines of what is going to get you Saros.

The Predators were reportedly asking for two 1sts + a prospect - so what you'd be paying in this deal + your 2025 1st ... not to say that he isn't significantly better, but that is a notable jump in price.

They also would probably want Mercer - not Holtz.

 

[Jerzey Devil]

No thanks. NJ should move on from Markstrom. They already got a 34 year old in Allen. Need to go for a younger starter.

 

[HighLifeMan]

No way a 34 year old goalie gets you 11-15 alone, yet you wanna add Holtz?

At a 1.5M caphit for another two seasons he most certainly would..

 

[CraigsList]

Mmm o thanks. NJ should move on from Markstrom. They already got a 34 year old in Allen. Need to lol for a younger starter.

If you’re seriously comparing Allen to Markstrom because they’re the same age then I don’t know what to tell you.

 

[Nocashstyle]

If you’re seriously comparing Allen to Markstrom because they’re the same age then I don’t know what to tell you.

That’s not the point. If your tandem are both 34 years old, that’s a very short term plan.

 

[Jerzey Devil]

If you’re seriously comparing Allen to Markstrom because they’re the same age then I don’t know what to tell you.

Doesn’t really matter. Markstrom has 2 years left at 34. Doesn’t much help the young Devils. If we’re shopping for a long term solution neither 34 year olds are it.

 

[Puckclektr]

At a 1.5M caphit for another two seasons he most certainly would..

Well considering the teams that need goalies aside from Jersey would be coming with late firsts it would be reasonable for a late first and a player of Holtz calibre. But not 11-15.

 

[HugeInTheShire]

Devils don't need retention and they certainly don't need double retention, I assume Markstrom will be a Devil next season but this isn't the deal.

 

[innitfam]

Why is Montreal even involved except to obtain multiple good assets?

 

[FLAMESFAN]

Why is Montreal even involved except to obtain multiple good assets?

Hitch hikers, lol

 

[ESH]

Why would Calgary trade away their best forward prospect?

And why is Montreal getting so much more back?

 

[Mrfenn92]

Montreal isn’t needed

Keep it simple if there is a deal to be done it’s between Calgary and New Jersey

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Montreal has no good reason to be in this, and yet somehow they make out better than the other two teams

 

[DJJones]

Why would Calgary trade away their best forward prospect?

And why is Montreal getting so much more back?

Because we could get a late first that could maybe become Coronato in three years. Only if we're lucky though

 

[crazyfisherman]

You are not trading our 1st round pick back, you are essentially trading the florida pick to us. Its laughable you think you get those for 2 late picks and Ylonen