GDT: NHL Draft Lottery 2019 - 8PM - NBCSN,SN,TVAS (upd: NJ 1st, NYR 2nd, CHI 3rd)

[GAGLine]

Wow, lots of bitterness over the lottery and lottery system. It is what it is, designed to curtail tanking and I am all for that because there is nothing worse than paying to watch a team tank. I'm not just saying that because the Hawks won and am not gloating like a certain Hawks fan, but because I paid to watch the Sabres tank in past years. The system should be revised to only allow the 5 worst teams the shot at #1-3 in my opinion but allow the other 10 to move up just not into the top 3.

Then you are royally screwing over the 6th worst team, which has no option to move up, only down. And you can be sure that the team in the 6th spot is going to do everything they can at the end to get to the 5th spot, and likewise the 5th place team is going to do everything they can to stay in that spot. So you'd have at least 2 teams tanking pretty hard for sure.

 

[GordonGecko]

the Oilers aren't "small market"
their the 13th most valued franchise in the NHL

What the NHL cares about are eyeballs. Edmonton has passionate fans who spend on their team but it's a small market population wise and doesn't drive TV ratings like a Toronto or a Boston

 

[Anthony5967]

Well, for all you people crying that it is rigged, I'll tell you this, L.A. Kings fans...are you kidding me? You just had two high picks that netted you Doughty and Kopitar that propelled you to two Cups. Get a grip. If the thing was rigged, Hughes would've been a Ranger. Give me a break. No matter what the order would've been, people will still cry. Rangers are out here winning games and busting their tail at the end of the year while teams are laying down. Good Karma.

 

[AfroThunder396]

This obviously means:
1) The drawing was obviously held BEFORE the broadcast
2) SportsNet was told of the results before the live announcement
3) SportsNet set up graphics before the live announcement and had them queue'd up

My takeaways from this debacle is:
1) Why don't they show the actual drawing to the audience? That would be way more interesting
2) Why did the NHL tell the network ahead of time, how stupid is that
3) How banana republic is SportsNet that they can't punch up the logo as it's happening?

It would be very cool to watch for me personally, but for a general audience I don't think it would play well on TV. It would be 30 seconds of bingo balls popping up followed by 20 seconds of some nerd flipping through a binder to find which team had the correct combination. And then it's over.

A big dramatic countdown reveal plays much better on TV.

 

[StreetHawk]

Well, for all you people crying that it is rigged, I'll tell you this, L.A. Kings fans...are you kidding me? You just had two high picks that netted you Doughty and Kopitar that propelled you to two Cups. Get a grip. If the thing was rigged, Hughes would've been a Ranger. Give me a break. No matter what the order would've been, people will still cry. Rangers are out here winning games and busting their tail at the end of the year while teams are laying down. Good Karma.

Agreed that it’s not rigged. Only delusional people say that. Just cause the results may have been leaked early doesn’t change anything. You can find out your SAT score or the sex of your baby early but it doesn’t change the result. Same thing here. Shocking that people think it’s rigged because someone aired it earlier.

I do think that the nhl went too far in trying to make tanking unfavourable. Drawing the top 3 and allowing the lottery winner to get the top pick available is more than enough.

They really didn’t need to adjust the percentages as much as they did. Worst team used to have 25% odds and now it’s downs to 18.5%. Second went from 18.8 down to 13.5.

 

[Reaper45]

Well, for all you people crying that it is rigged, I'll tell you this, L.A. Kings fans...are you kidding me? You just had two high picks that netted you Doughty and Kopitar that propelled you to two Cups. Get a grip. If the thing was rigged, Hughes would've been a Ranger. Give me a break. No matter what the order would've been, people will still cry. Rangers are out here winning games and busting their tail at the end of the year while teams are laying down. Good Karma.

Just had? Doughty was 2nd in 2008, 11 years ago. And Kopitar was drafted 11th in 2005, 14 years ago. I dont think it was rigged, I think that the system is broken though. Kings never laid down either so what does that prove?

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

Just had? Doughty was 2nd in 2008, 11 years ago. And Kopitar was drafted 11th in 2005, 14 years ago. I dont think it was rigged, I think that the system is broken though. Kings never laid down either so what does that prove?

The Kings most certainly laid down

It was very evident Doughty and Quick as well as others had enough of last season and were clearly not giving their all

 

[glenwo2]

It would be very cool to watch for me personally, but for a general audience I don't think it would play well on TV. It would be 30 seconds of bingo balls popping up followed by 20 seconds of some nerd flipping through a binder to find which team had the correct combination. And then it's over.

A big dramatic countdown reveal plays much better on TV.

I put up a vid of what he actually mentioned and he still hasn't replied.

6 of the last 10 first overall picks have gone to just 2 teams, Edmonton and New Jersey. Yay.

And the connection?

TAYLOR HALL.

 

[Anthony5967]

Agreed that it’s not rigged. Only delusional people say that. Just cause the results may have been leaked early doesn’t change anything. You can find out your SAT score or the sex of your baby early but it doesn’t change the result. Same thing here. Shocking that people think it’s rigged because someone aired it earlier.

I do think that the nhl went too far in trying to make tanking unfavourable. Drawing the top 3 and allowing the lottery winner to get the top pick available is more than enough.

They really didn’t need to adjust the percentages as much as they did. Worst team used to have 25% odds and now it’s downs to 18.5%. Second went from 18.8 down to 13.5.

Look at the NBA one. I agree with what you said, though.

 

[Anthony5967]

Just had? Doughty was 2nd in 2008, 11 years ago. And Kopitar was drafted 11th in 2005, 14 years ago. I dont think it was rigged, I think that the system is broken though. Kings never laid down either so what does that prove?

The Rangers haven't had a top-3 pick since I believe, 1967? Kings had top-5 from '07-'09. They've picked top-7 a heck of a lot, too. From what I have seen, it's been mostly Kings fans complaining the most.

EDIT: 1966

 

[Reaper45]

The Kings most certainly laid down

It was very evident Doughty and Quick as well as others had enough of last season and were clearly not giving their all

How do you figure? Last season they were in the playoffs and won the Jennings only to get swept by Vegas. So the team was thought to be a contender even those most of us fans knew this was on the horizon. So what does Blake do? Sign Kovalchuk since it seemed like all we needed was goalscorer. And boom, statistically this team was one of the worst in team history. Quick had a rough season as did everyone else but you have no way to prove that they were not giving their all.

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

How do you figure? Last season they were in the playoffs and won the Jennings only to get swept by Vegas. So the team was thought to be a contender even those most of us fans knew this was on the horizon. So what does Blake do? Sign Kovalchuk since it seemed like all we needed was goalscorer. And boom, statistically this team was one of the worst in team history. Quick had a rough season as did everyone else but you have no way to prove that they were not giving their all.

Perhaps by Doughtys comments?

 

[Reaper45]

The Rangers haven't had a top-3 pick since I believe, 1967? Kings had top-5 from '07-'09. They've picked top-7 a heck of a lot, too. From what I have seen, it's been mostly Kings fans complaining the most.

I'm trying to figure out what your point is exactly. The Rangers have never rebuilt. The Kings were perpetually rebuilding for 45 years. Had a string of 3 great years and are back to perpetually rebuilding. Had an absolute crap year with a chance to get a dynamic talent to make an immediate impact but that was denied by the lottery.

 

[Reaper45]

Perhaps by Doughtys comments?

The last 4 games of the season we all wanted them to hurry up and play and get over with. Nothing he said was wrong. This season has been a nightmare.

 

[Anthony5967]

I'm trying to figure out what your point is exactly. The Rangers have never rebuilt. The Kings were perpetually rebuilding for 45 years. Had a string of 3 great years and are back to perpetually rebuilding. Had an absolute crap year with a chance to get a dynamic talent to make an immediate impact but that was denied by the lottery.

I am trying to figure out why Kings fans are crying about a rigged lottery when a team who hasn't had a top-3 pick in 50+ years is finally getting one. One year of being bad and because of the %'s many think it's a guarantee to land them a top-3? Come on.

 

[Reaper45]

I am trying to figure out why Kings fans are crying about a rigged lottery when a team who hasn't had a top-3 pick in 50+ years is finally getting one. One year of being bad and because of the %'s many think it's a guarantee to land them a top-3? Come on.

Who's calling it rigged? That a ridiculous claim. I've never said it was rigged. I just think the system is flawed.

 

[GordonGecko]

Who's calling it rigged? That a ridiculous claim. I've never said it was rigged. I just think the system is flawed.

What is the unflawed system you propose.

I mean if we're talking artificial 'fair' then every team should be winning a cup every 31 years but they don't so maybe we should limit teams to one first overall every 31 years or being ineligible for 31 years following a cup victory. That would be even worse for the Kings.. No system I've seen is an improvement over what we have now

 

[Anthony5967]

Who's calling it rigged? That a ridiculous claim. I've never said it was rigged. I just think the system is flawed.

Not you, but a lot of LA fans, after scanning for 50 pages the Lottery, believe it to be rigged, along with a heck of a lot more people when there is a video online of the ball draw.

 

[Seattle Totems]

I think we can all agree that the new lottery system is clearly unpopular with fans. Never have we seen this much divisiveness and discussion about the lottery process before and after a draft. Would anyone even disagree?

I see three main issues:

1. The odds between the worst teams and those that barely miss the playoffs are too close. 18.5% vs 5% is negligible.

2. There is no limit to the number of spots a team can move up as opposed to the old system. As a consequence of this rule recent cup winners can now barely miss the playoffs and move up 15 spots. Chicago is one such team. 3 Cups on the last decade and they are picking 3rd.

3. The system effectively rewards teams based on luck and does not consider which teams have waited the longest and have the most need.

Vancouver for example has a worse record than almost any team over the last 4 seasons yet they've dropped in every lottery and have not picked higher than 5th. As a franchise they have never picked 1st or won a Cup in their history.

For a league that bases itself on parity and instituted the draft and seeding system to achieve that goal, this system is unacceptable. As a fan it completely turns me off. To be one of if not the worst teams in the league for 4 seasons and not even pick top 3 is unreasonable. All teams should get an equal opportunity. Fans need to have hope.

 

[tailgunner]

no pity here for Kings fans...kings mailed it in towards the end of the season on purpose...Rangers for some strange were playing hard down the stretch...karma karma karma

 

[Hockeyholic]

You're just mad that the Rangers took your place at #2 where the Flyers were in 2017. You most likely realize that while Kakko is going to be way better than Nico, the Flyers are not going to be the team to select him...The Rangers will. So sad.

Don't worry, I'm sure there will be a quality player at 11.....maybe.

I don't care whatsoever about them winning the lottery. The point I was making is that the lottery isn't rigged. Otherwise, a money losing, irrelevant franchise wouldn't have won the lottery over two money making franchises.

 

[StreetHawk]

I think we can all agree that the new lottery system is clearly unpopular with fans. Never have we seen this much divisiveness and discussion about the lottery process before and after a draft. Would anyone even disagree?

I see three main issues:

1. The odds between the worst teams and those that barely miss the playoffs are too close. 18.5% vs 5% is negligible.

2. There is no limit to the number of spots a team can move up as opposed to the old system. As a consequence of this rule recent cup winners can now barely miss the playoffs and move up 15 spots. Chicago is one such team. 3 Cups on the last decade and they are picking 3rd.

3. The system effectively rewards teams based on luck and does not consider which teams have waited the longest and have the most need.

Vancouver for example has a worse record than almost any team over the last 4 seasons yet they've dropped in every lottery and have not picked higher than 5th. As a franchise they have never picked 1st or won a Cup in their history.

For a league that bases itself on parity and instituted the draft and seeding system to achieve that goal, this system is unacceptable. As a fan it completely turns me off. To be one of if not the worst teams in the league for 4 seasons and not even pick top 3 is unreasonable. All teams should get an equal opportunity. Fans need to have hope.

1) Odds were readjusted after 2014. Do not know why if the other measures of drawing for the top 3 and removing the 4 spot restriction were implemented. Old system the worst team had a coin slip of keeping the top spot.
2) old system non top 5 won it 3/19 times. I believe those teams had the 7th and 8th best odds. Never had a philly/ car/ chi winning who were outside the top 10. Again the readjusted percentages is the culprit.
3) system has to be blind. No issues with that. Now, If you want to rule that if you get into the top 3 you are not eligible for top 3 next season that’s fine going forward.

What i would do is readjust the odds back. Bottom 5 around 70% odds but no more than 75%. 6-10 give them 17% - 20% odds. Top 5 and soon to be 6 I would give them the remaining 8-10%. Something along those lines.

 

[Reaper45]

no pity here for Kings fans...kings mailed it in towards the end of the season on purpose...Rangers for some strange were playing hard down the stretch...karma karma karma

Prove it.

 

[Reaper45]

Not you, but a lot of LA fans, after scanning for 50 pages the Lottery, believe it to be rigged, along with a heck of a lot more people when there is a video online of the ball draw.

Again I think it's definitely not rigged. I think the system is flawed due to the odds and the amount of teams in the lottery.

 

[New Jersey]

Prove it.

Impossible. Which is why the lottery should probably exist.